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New Army Ammo Puts Mean in ‘Green’
Military.com ^ | May 05, 2011 | Christian Lowe

Posted on 05/11/2011 7:14:14 PM PDT by Redcitizen

ABERDEEN, Md. --- Tell a Soldier he's loading "environmentally friendly" ammo into his M4 mag and he might be skeptical about whether it's as effective as its lead counterpart.

But Army officials here say the new M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round -- with its steel core instead of a toxic lead slug -- is far more effective than the current round, doubling the effective range and for the first time giving M4-wielding Joes the ability to penetrate barriers once reserved for higher-caliber rounds.

"There's a stigma among Soldiers about something that's 'green,' " said Lt. Col. Jeff Woods, the Army's small caliber ammunition product manager. "This is a clear case where making something environmentally friendly works for us."

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KEYWORDS: 556; ammo; ammunition; army; banglist; firearms; greenammo
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Citing security concerns, engineers were cagey about describing how the new round works when it hits a human body. But Woods said it has "more consistent" effects on soft targets than the current round, or even the 7.62mm bullet.

"I can't say that it's more lethal than the M855. That depends on how the round hits a target," Woods said, emphasizing that accuracy is paramount. "But what I can say is that you'll see the same effects every time with this round.

In other words, this round will make the same hole as the regular M855 greentip which was already engineered to penetrate body armor and steel helmets. IMHO they are going for penetration at the expense of "stopping power" on unarmored targets. Personally speaking, I will take penetration though.

1 posted on 05/11/2011 7:14:22 PM PDT by Redcitizen
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To: Redcitizen

This is just an Liberal ploy at gun control from another angle.


2 posted on 05/11/2011 7:20:31 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect. Every post gets me closer to the top of the Red List!)
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To: Redcitizen
Nothing new here.


3 posted on 05/11/2011 7:22:36 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Redcitizen

“doubling the effective range”

BS.


4 posted on 05/11/2011 7:22:49 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: jospehm20

I agree. Same effective range as any other 5.56 round.


5 posted on 05/11/2011 7:26:31 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: mylife

Meet the new M855A1 round. Same as the regular M855/SS109.


6 posted on 05/11/2011 7:29:37 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: Redcitizen

Yup, it’s just steel piercing, which is nothing new.


7 posted on 05/11/2011 7:30:06 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Redcitizen

What would someone have to do to double the effective range of a 5.56 round? Heavier bullet, more powerful load, longer barrel? How can they increase range from I think 400-450m to around 800?


8 posted on 05/11/2011 7:30:20 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: Redcitizen

Promotional vid from the Army: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAIU5FQA7EM


9 posted on 05/11/2011 7:30:27 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: jospehm20

Trying to squeeze more performance out of what is basically a varmint cartridge.If they want to double the effective range,they should start issuing 7.62x51 caliber weapons.


10 posted on 05/11/2011 7:31:59 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Redcitizen

But it’s “super pointy”


11 posted on 05/11/2011 7:32:04 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Redcitizen

I think Lt. Col. Jeff Woods is FOS


12 posted on 05/11/2011 7:35:34 PM PDT by mylife
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To: wastedyears

I think they mean to say if they can get a hit out to 800 meters, the new M855A1 round will dig deeper than a standard M855 round. The M16A2s are equipped with 800 meter sights but the rfile are usually used up to 400 meters.


13 posted on 05/11/2011 7:35:34 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: wastedyears
What would someone have to do to double the effective range of a 5.56 round?

Repeal the laws of physics.

14 posted on 05/11/2011 7:38:03 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: mylife

I got the impression he is reading from the official manual. Its a promotional video- he won’t say it’s the same round with a different colored tip.


15 posted on 05/11/2011 7:38:33 PM PDT by Redcitizen (In case of economic breakdown, make sure you have a case of Snickers candy bars.)
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To: Redcitizen

I think he is trying to say it can penetrate 1/4 steel plate out to 300 yards. all the rest of it sounds barmy.

It cant be as effective as .308 and it cant have the same effect in soft tissue as lead.


16 posted on 05/11/2011 7:42:13 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Redcitizen

Lt Col Woods needs to send each of us a case for evaluation purposes.

It is the only way to settle this matter.


17 posted on 05/11/2011 7:44:28 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Farmer Dean

I think something in between using the same cartrige size, like the 6.5 and 6.8mm rounds out there would probably be best. I believe they were working on such a round and some special forces use it. For one thing, it would still use the same M4 receiver and magazine, just change out the upper. No need to retrain troops to a new rifle.


18 posted on 05/11/2011 7:46:21 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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with its steel core instead of a toxic lead slug -- is far more effective than the current round, doubling the effective range

LoL "Doubling the effective range"...LoL.

19 posted on 05/11/2011 7:46:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: jospehm20; narses; neverdem; SunkenCiv; EODGUY; AFPhys; CholeraJoe; Doohickey; CPOSharky

Why does this smell like BS from a Obama-sucking pentagon-sponsored group? Now, it might not actually “BE” BS, but it smells like BS.

Barrel life “doubled” as well?

(See, if they can “sell” a captive military who must obey their marching orders, then the greenies/enviro’s can come back to the hunting/self-defense groups and say, “See? The military is using steel shot and steel bullets, so we must take your lead bullets and prohibit them as environmentally unsafe !”


20 posted on 05/11/2011 7:47:55 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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