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Presumed Innocent, Anyone? (Ben Steins terrible DSK defense)
American Spectator ^ | 05-17-11 | Ben Stein

Posted on 05/18/2011 9:30:24 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA

Now for a few humble thoughts about Dominique Strauss-Kahn and his recent brush with law and journalism, bearing in mind that it's possible indeed, maybe even likely, that he is guilty as the prosecutors charge:

1.) If he is such a womanizer and violent guy with women, why didn't he ever get charged until now? If he has a long history of sexual abuse, how can it have remained no more than gossip this long? France is a nation of vicious political rivalries. Why didn't his opponents get him years ago?

2.) In life, events tend to follow patterns. People who commit crimes tend to be criminals, for example. Can anyone tell me any economists who have been convicted of violent sex crimes? Can anyone tell me of any heads of nonprofit international economic entities who have ever been charged and convicted of violent sexual crimes? Is it likely that just by chance this hotel maid found the only one in this category? Maybe Mr. Strauss-Kahn is guilty but if so, he is one of a kind, and criminals are not usually one of a kind.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: benstein; dsk; maid; rape
This has to be the worst thing Stein has ever written. DSK is innocent because Economists don't rape? Maids are mostly thieving crooks? This man is too important to have done this? An international power broker who hopped a plane to flee the scene isn't a flight risk?

Ben Stein has obviously taken too much of the medication that he claims his hotel maids stole from him. I have not seen anyone stretch so far to defend this Socialist Frog.

1 posted on 05/18/2011 9:30:30 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA
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To: Lazlo in PA
Ben Stein has obviously taken too much of the medication that he claims his hotel maids stole from him.

Or perhaps the problem is that he didn't get a refill.

2 posted on 05/18/2011 9:33:24 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Lazlo in PA

Hollywood requires mr Ben to correct his straying ways. As an “ageing” psuedo star he has no doubt a tougher time finding jobs other than reprises of his “Bueller” role.

Remember, his dad worked for Nixon- mr. price controls. No conservative he.

Sadder still is this absolutely lame defense of a pervert french socialist at a meddling world socialist bank that is ruining and has ruined many country’s economies. One reason being that while you are sodomizing the little people maids as a sex pervert, you don’t pay any attention to the real world of economics— you don’t have to! It’s how socialism works.


3 posted on 05/18/2011 9:38:17 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Mr. Strauss-Kahn had surrendered his passport. He had offered to stay in New York City. He is one of the most recognizable people on the planet.

Yeah, there aren't many other stout, late-middle-aged white guys with a mean expression out there. I'm if he tried to drive out of New York, or get on another plane, hundreds of people would have run after him screaming, "OMG, Edith, it's Dominique Strauss-Kahn. Follow him!"

4 posted on 05/18/2011 9:39:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Important men shouldn’t be locked up in prison with the common herd of lowlifes.

Why not?

If Rikers is such a horrible place, and I assume Ben is correct about that, then we shouldn’t be locking anybody up there.

However, Ben is correct that the maid may indeed be lying. This is a binary case, either he’s lying or she is. Until the trial has taken place, we should give the frog the presumption of innocence.

I thought Ben’s claim that he can’t be guilty because others would have accused him previously quite silly. Maybe he has indeed had a pattern of such behavior and has gotten away with it till now because he is rich and powerful.


5 posted on 05/18/2011 9:40:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Lazlo in PA

The fact that he apparently expected Diane Sawyer (”a blonde woman from one of the television networks who is notorious for her stupidity,” as P.J. O’Rourke put it) to reserve judgment rather than engaging in feminist grandstanding indicates that either Ben is having a mental breakdown, or this is supposed to be a parody.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 9:42:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama's "Gutsy Decision": Who's gonna tell the fool that he ain't cool?)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Say it ain’t so, Ben. What a shame.


7 posted on 05/18/2011 9:43:02 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Sherman Logan

Indeed.

“I thought Ben’s claim that he can’t be guilty because others would have accused him previously.”

An odd Bill Clinton defense Ben is making.

I.e.: “Clinton can’t be guilty because others would have accused him previously”


8 posted on 05/18/2011 9:46:45 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Lazlo in PA
Why didn't his opponents get him years ago?

What I'm hearing is that such behavior is rather common among French politicians, and they adhere to the common maxim regarding throwing stones whilst residing in a glass house.

9 posted on 05/18/2011 10:13:34 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Sherman Logan

What we DO know is that women WILL lie about these things. A lot of them anyway.

I don’t know if the man is guilty, or not. I wouldn’t mind seeing him thrown in jail for being a thieving, taxing socialist. Would that it were against the law.

But he may, or may not, have sexually assaulted this woman. Without corroborating evidence, he should be found “not guilty”. The unsupported word of someone is never enough to convict, IMNSHO


10 posted on 05/18/2011 10:37:49 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I think it is far more likely that he wrote his first instinctive reaction off the cuff, without doing any research into the nature of the evidence as revealed so far.
11 posted on 05/18/2011 10:40:18 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Because rich powerful men have traditionally NOT used such to do what they want to domestic servants?

Say what?

To me this reinforces that rape isn't about sex. He could have paid for sex -but then the woman would be leaving with his money and his power.

12 posted on 05/18/2011 10:40:47 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RonF; Hulka
Exactly. This was the worst of the Stein piece. Just because he was not formally accused before, he is innocent of wrong doing. Just this week a TV reporter in France came out and reasserted allegations of abuse. When asked why she was doing this after 9 years, she said that she didn't want the reputation for being the one who ruined such an important man. How can Stein make this assertion on DKS's innocence when his yard stick is a country so Chauvinistic that a victim would think this way? The French are notorious for this type of activity.

Tristane Banon, French accuser.

13 posted on 05/18/2011 10:44:48 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: chesley
...The unsupported word of someone is never enough to convict,

Of course not, but this Frog left the hotel room in such a hurry after this event that he left his cell phone behind and hopped on the first Air France flight to a non extradition country. Do you know anyone, especially an important person, who isn't attached to their phone. Add that to "The Great Seducers" history and there is a lot to wonder about this guys innocence. Women CAN lie about rape, but why would we dismiss this because he is the head of the IMF?

14 posted on 05/18/2011 10:53:05 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Stein needs to do some googling before he goes off half-cocked.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 11:03:31 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Lazlo in PA
I've read the incident happened around noon. He checked out at 12:28 and went and ate lunch with one of ex's and their daughter Camille, a 26-year-old grad student in poly-sci at Columbia. Then he headed for JFK. By the time he got to the airport, he realized he was missing his phone. So, he called he hotel, and they offered to send someone out to JFK with it. Instead, they sent the Port Authority Police.

It appears, if he hadn't called the hotel for his phone, he would have escaped to France easily. As it was, they got him only ten minutes before wheels up.

So, it would seem he was not remotely aware of how much trouble he was in. You get used to droit de seigneur when you're a top Frog, I guess, and tend to forget where you are.

16 posted on 05/18/2011 11:12:23 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Lazlo in PA
Events seems to be revealing who people really are these days. This event seems to be as revealing of Ben Stein as it is of Strauss-Kahn.
17 posted on 05/18/2011 11:19:19 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I am NOT dismissing it. He sounds like the kind of person who could well be a rapist.

All I’m saying is that he is entitled to a presumption of innocence, and that if I were a juror, I’d not only want to,b ut I feel that it would be my duty to look at all the evidence before coming to a decision, one way or the other.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 11:27:17 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I hate to suggest this, but: ethnic-religious solidarity?


19 posted on 05/18/2011 12:02:18 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Tristane Banon, French accuser.

Reportedly she gave a sensational interview on French media in which she described the encounter, with the perp's name bleeped. But everyone who was anybody in Paris knew the identity of the bleepee.

20 posted on 05/18/2011 12:13:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Moltke

D’you think?


21 posted on 05/18/2011 12:13:44 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Moltke

To have Stein heading down this strained road of defender suggests something. Sounds plausible to me.


22 posted on 05/18/2011 12:21:10 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

IMHO, we’re looking at a political Badger Game.

The woman is a paid operative, the political fix is in to the courts and media so he’s denied bail and splashed over every front page, and just while he happens to be getting ready to run for president of France.

He’s the head of the IMF - there’s no place for him to run in the common sense of the word. and he lives at a level of wealth and power that simply does not require this if a prostitute - or any number of them - is wanted, in full confidentiality.

You say it’s a power thing? I say you’re right - but it’s a much bigger power thing than forcing himself on one woman. It’s a power thing of self-control and careful, endless plotting and planning at his level. He’s evil, but he’s no fool, and he didn’t get where he is by making this level of mistake.

So, it’s a setup, probably by Sarkozy (note his wife Carla Bruni is now pregnant, which just-so-happens to perfectly psychologically counter this sordid mess with his opponent).

But it’s hardly one to give a damn about - as the IMF head, he’s raping the whole world to death.


23 posted on 05/18/2011 12:23:52 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
2.) In life, events tend to follow patterns. People who commit crimes tend to be criminals, for example. Can anyone tell me any economists who have been convicted of violent sex crimes? Can anyone tell me of any heads of nonprofit international economic entities who have ever been charged and convicted of violent sexual crimes? Is it likely that just by chance this hotel maid found the only one in this category? Maybe Mr. Strauss-Kahn is guilty but if so, he is one of a kind, and criminals are not usually one of a kind.

This is absolutely one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Economists are incapable of committing violent sex crimes? Is this some kind of joke? Is Ben Stein in the early stages of dementia? Get this guy to a neurologist... pronto.
24 posted on 05/18/2011 12:32:38 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Talisker
...but he’s no fool, and he didn’t get where he is by making this level of mistake.

Do you have any evidence of his infallibility? There are plenty of geniuses sitting behind bars that got lazy and get caught. There is more evidence with him doing this type of thing than there is of a Grand Conspiracy. Also to call out a maid at a hotel as an obvious operative is equally unfounded. Is there any evidence of that? You seem to be of the mind of Stein on this that DSK is just so smart being the head of the IMF that he is beneath raping.

I agree with you that this should be a non story. This story didn't interest me either until the crazy conspiracies floated out, started by the Socialists in Frogland. If there is one group of people I will immediately dismiss are these Eurotrash Commies.

25 posted on 05/18/2011 12:38:50 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Oztrich Boy; Lazlo in PA

Kind of like Hollywood rallying behind Polanski. Birds of a feather...


26 posted on 05/18/2011 1:08:46 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Talisker
If only our government were so clever to put together such a diabolical scheme. . .

The maid was told the room was empty, was told to clean the room and she went in.

Not a slam against maids, but a lot of them aren't the sharpest people, especially when from a third-world country.

Consider:

Reports are he chased her and finally trapped her in a hallway. Seems we had a president that chased an unwilling female once and propositioned her (Paula Jones). . . and it is alleged he did commit a rape (Broderick).

How hard is it to believe that a self-centered french socialist with arrogance, a history of relentless womanizing and “power” would naturally force himself upon a third-world peon? After all, we had a president do basically the same thing (except the woman was procured by his troopers and the other a “friend”).

The question is, do you believe some third-world maid is quick enough to allege rape, to batter and bloody herself on the spur of the moment, concoct a story that the hotel and police would find so believable they would pursue one of the world's most powerful man to a departing jet and arrest him? To me, that is highly unlikely.

Moreover, how likely is it the police at the scene conspired with the maid to put together a frame-up in moments (ala OJ Simpson). Hardly believable, after all, why would they. They probably had no idea who the guy was and didn't care, either.

Given the above context, and that the story from the guy (didn't happen, well, it did happen) changes, and applying the Bill Clinton standard of behavior (I can do anything against the less powerful because I can, after all, “who’s going to believe you anyway” defense), I go with the guy raping her.

27 posted on 05/18/2011 1:09:38 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Lazlo in PA

Dear Mr. Stein, in answer to question 1.) See Bill Clinton.


28 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:40 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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