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Just Another Broadcast Day At Family Radio
radio-info.com ^ | 5/22/11 | Jim Pastrick

Posted on 05/23/2011 7:00:29 AM PDT by raccoonradio

After all the hoopla about Family Radio's Harold Camping preaching of the rapture and the end time on May 21, 2011, today I checked Family Radio's Buffalo FM, 89.9 WFBF... On the air and from what I heard, business as usual. But it makes me wonder, is a hoax such as Camping's preaching and promising an actionable offense before the FCC? Imagine the uproar if Clear Channel, Entercom or Cumulus participated in such a "promotion." Yes, CC has thousands of stations and Family Radio has about a hundred. Still, Harold Camping's advisory cost some members of the listening public their jobs, their life savings and in some cases their families, and maybe even their faith. Is this the sign of responsible ownership and broadcasting in the public interest, convenience and necessity? Should Family Radio be stripped of its licenses?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: christianradio; chuckmissler; familyradio; grantjeffrey; hallindsey; haroldcamping; jackvanimpe; radio; raptureready; thomasice; timlahaye

1 posted on 05/23/2011 7:00:35 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio

The discussion thread after this is interesting. I will say that pretty soon broadcast licenses in places like the mid-Atlantic, where Camping has several stations, are due for renewal soon. This non-Rapture may not necessarily be grounds for non-renewal but who knows. The next post, by jas2525, has more details (also it’s mentioned the freedom of religion makes it unlikely the govt. could interfere—
as Goat Radio Cowboy puts it, “how are you going to feel when some Federal agency shows up at the religious establishment that your family has participated in for 3 or 4 generations and starts telling you what you may and may not say or write as part of your system of faith.”)


following by jas2525:

If the FCC were to take action against Family Radio’s licenses, it would be under the “hoax rule,” 73.1217, which reads thusly:

No licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if:

(a) The licensee knows this information is false;

(b) It is forseeable that broadcast of the information will cause substantial public harm, and

(c) Broadcast of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm.

Any programming accompanied by a disclaimer will be presumed not to pose foreseeable harm if the disclaimer clearly characterizes the program as a fiction and is presented in a way that is reasonable under the circumstances.

Note: For purposes of this rule, “public harm” must begin immediately, and cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties. The public harm will be deemed foreseeable if the licensee could expect with a significant degree of certainty that public harm would occur. A “crime” is any act or omission that makes the offender subject to criminal punishment by law. A “catastrophe” is a disaster or imminent disaster involving violent or sudden event affecting the public.



2 posted on 05/23/2011 7:03:28 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: raccoonradio
Some of those followers don't give up so easily.

“Judgment Day has come and passed, but it was a spiritual judgment on the world,” he explains. “There is no more salvation. Salvation is over with. The fact is we have 153 days, and on the 21st of October, the world will end.”

Doomsday Believers Cope With An Intact World
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/23/136560695/doomsday-believers-cope-with-an-intact-world

3 posted on 05/23/2011 7:06:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: raccoonradio
But it makes me wonder, is a hoax such as Camping's preaching and promising an actionable offense before the FCC?

Yeah, I wonder.

4 posted on 05/23/2011 7:14:18 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: thackney

Wonder how many copies of Robert Fitzpatrick’s book will be sold? That’s the guy from Staten Island you may have seen on the news, who gave away his $140k life savings on promoting the rapture that never came. His book, on amazon and other places, says the rapture begins on 5/21/11 (and Oct. will be the ultimate end). Perhaps people may buy them out of curiosity (and maybe some on Ebay and elsewhere will get
Camping’s “1994?” etc.)

As you may have seen there was a wild scene at FR headquarters in Oakland—mostly hippies, atheists, etc but some religious folks, doing everything from launching balloons with mannikins attached to them to dispensing kool-aid a la Jim Jones to preaching that Camping and his followers were wrong but need to have their souls saved, etc. One guy had a shirt similar to the green and yellow “(Oakland) Athletics” logo only it said “Atheists”. Videos on youtube etc. (Someone else was playing Camping’s radio shows to mock it all, putting a megaphone up to a tape deck.)


5 posted on 05/23/2011 7:14:26 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: martin_fierro

That Oscar should be stripped, just like how Milli Vanilla lost their Grammy for fakery.

Mark Steyn’s America Alone mentions how in the 70s, etc. there were predictions of global COOLING (hmm, maybe they have a point given this yr in the northeast?), hundreds of millions would die from starvation and we’d run out of gold, oil, and a lot more things by the 80s or 90s. Steyn said these never came true and that people have been forecasting the end of the world “pretty much since the beginning of the world”. The old People’s Almanac had a section about similar rapture predictions, in a bit called
“Armageddon Out Of Here”.


6 posted on 05/23/2011 7:17:03 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: raccoonradio
Harold Camping's advisory cost some members of the listening public their jobs, their life savings...

I believe this falls under the doctrine of....

caveat sucker

7 posted on 05/23/2011 7:18:46 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: raccoonradio
But it makes me wonder, is a hoax such as Camping's preaching and promising an actionable offense before the FCC?

Ummm, only if you have an inherent tendency to believe that government just doesn't do enough to regulate everything. If you have a deep-rooted desire for government to get involved in every aspect of daily life to protect you from the dangers of a little too much of that nasty old freedom, then by all means this should invite an action by the FCC.

8 posted on 05/23/2011 7:20:37 AM PDT by VRWCmember (_!_)
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To: raccoonradio

One post on there, by radio expert Scott Fybush, says
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There are certain fairly minimal restrictions the FCC imposes on “free speech” when it takes place over a licensed broadcast facility, and I don’t see any religious exemption to any of them: you can’t use a broadcast facility to transmit indecency or profanity (give or take certain safe-harbor periods), you can’t use a broadcast facility for personal attacks, and you can’t disseminate hoaxes under the provisions of 73.1217.


So is this considered a hoax? How about the fact, as someone points out, that FR entered into contracts and such that would extend beyond 5/21—did they do it knowingly, knowing that it was all a bunch of hooey? Having the govt step in regarding religious broadcasting is walking on eggshells, or a “slippery slope”, to use a phrase that pops up on talk radio...do we want them stepping in to regulate talk radio in a similar manner? But if it’s a felony and people were harmed... who knows.

If someone kills him or herself due to hearing a Satanic message on an album, does the artist or label get sued?

Interesting.


9 posted on 05/23/2011 7:24:17 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: raccoonradio
Should Family Radio be stripped of its licenses?

No, it is that simple.

10 posted on 05/23/2011 7:26:16 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: VRWCmember

Indeed, as the saying goes be careful what you wish for. Want more govt regulation, you may very well get it. This is why personal responsibility matters— in case someone goes out and kills a bunch of people then says “(Radio talk host) told me to do it!” (i.e., the person mis-interpreted what the host said). So if people harm themselves after the Rapture that didn’t happen, is it their fault or Camping’s?

The “shouting fire in a crowded moviehouse” argument can pop up but do we want the govt to step in, in such cases? We’ll see if Camping/FR’s stations get denied a license renewal due to this.


11 posted on 05/23/2011 7:27:20 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: DeFault User

Indeed...as it would be with anyone who buys Gore’s carbon credits etc.

http://curiouspresbyterian.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/disillusioned-robert-fitzpatrick-who-spent-his-140000-life-savings-on-advertising-the-may-21-rapture/

>> In New York’s Times Square, Robert Fitzpatrick, of Staten Island, said he was surprised when the six o’clock hour simply came and went. He had spent his own money to put up advertising about the end of the world. ‘I can’t tell you what I feel right now,’ he said, surrounded by tourists. ‘Obviously, I haven’t understood it correctly because we’re still here. I did what I had to do, I did what the Bible said. And as the clock ticked past 6pm, he tried to shrink into the jeering crowd.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386575/Ex-subway-worker-sinks-140-000-life-savings-campaign-advertising-end-world—dont-worry-Saturday.html
>>Others, however are not so sympathetic.

Speaking to the paper, David Silverman, of the American Atheists group, said: Doomsday cults are money-making enterprises.

‘I wonder what is going to happen on May 22 when people no longer have their possessions or their savings and we are all still here and they don’t have their rapture.


12 posted on 05/23/2011 7:31:22 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: DeFault User

13 posted on 05/23/2011 7:38:14 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Carpe Cerevisi; All

Blame The (Non)-Rapture:
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-palmdale-woman-attempted-murder,0,3939586.story

Palmdale (KTLA) — A woman slit her daughters’ throats before slitting her own early Friday evening, claiming that “the Tribulation” was going to occur and she wanted to prevent them from suffering through it, officials said.

Lyn Benedetto, 47, reportedly told her daughters to lie on a bed and proceeded to take a knife to their throats.

The suspect then took the knife to her own throat before driving the victims to an unoccupied friend’s house to die.


14 posted on 05/23/2011 7:42:21 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: raccoonradio

(I note that was back in March but the “Tribulations” etc are mentioned)


15 posted on 05/23/2011 7:43:22 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Supposedly War of the Worlds broadcast helped to inspire the FCC’s so-called “hoax rule”


16 posted on 05/23/2011 7:44:04 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: thackney
"“Judgment Day has come and passed, but it was a spiritual judgment on the world,” he explains. “There is no more salvation. Salvation is over with. The fact is we have 153 days, and on the 21st of October, the world will end.”"

And the "memos" from the "Raptured" to those "Left Behind" are all ready to go:)

17 posted on 05/23/2011 8:23:52 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ L NF)
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To: raccoonradio

You wrote: “David Silverman, of the American Atheists group, said: Doomsday cults are money-making enterprises.”

Sadly, he’s right. The proof is in the pudding:

No End in Sight
Carl E. Olson (2007)
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/01/no-end-in-sight-27

Only two more Left Behind books to go and we’ll finally know how the world ends. I can hardly wait.

I feel fortunate that I live at a time when someone finally figured out what the Book of Revelation really means.

That someone is Tim LaHaye, creator and coauthor of the Left Behind novels, the best-selling works of Christian fiction­ever.

As a surprisingly kind story in Time (“Meet the Prophet,” July 1, 2002) explained, LaHaye “believes that the Scriptures lay out a precise timetable for the end of the world, and the Left Behind books let us in on the chronology.”

Since the first book was published in 1995, the series has sold nearly forty million copies. The most recent addition, The Remnant: On the Brink of Armageddon, had a first printing of 2,750,000 copies.

That’s a serious number of people learning the secrets of the Book of Revelation. Unfortunately for them, the secrets are stale, recycled, and false.

My skepticism results from having spent twenty-five years learning and hearing the teachings of popular “Bible prophecy experts”­more formally known as premillennial dispensationalists­ such as LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, and countless others.

Reading quotes by Left Behind enthusiasts who are convinced The End is nigh, I recall how many “Ends” have come and gone in my short lifetime.

The “signs of the times” were many and varied: the fledgling modern state of Israel, any and every Middle Eastern conflict, the European Market, Jimmy Carter, the energy crisis, Ronald Reagan, communism, the Persian Gulf War­the list goes on.

Of course, September 11 was no different. Within hours, the event was being examined by Bible prophecy teachers and enthusiasts in light of the Book of Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Matthew’s Gospel.

There were the remarks, made in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Other fundamentalist leaders also took up the “I told you so” posture. Todd Hertz, in a September 19, 2001 article in Christianity Today, quotes Jack Van Impe, noted Bible prophecy guru and TV evangelist: “I have been warning the nation and the world . . . for the past two years that terrorists would soon strike America. That moment has arrived. Jesus predicted this rise of terrorism just before his return to set up his kingdom on earth.”

Of course, the inevitability of it all­“Jesus predicted this rise of terrorism”­makes such a warning a rather moot point. How does one turn back biblical fate?

Paul Boyer, author of the excellent When Time Shall Be No More: Prophecy Belief In Modern American Culture and an insightful observer of the apocalyptic culture in America, says, “I suspect that with the passage of time these events will be assimilated into the prophecy popularizers’ end-time scenario, as everything is.”

It will be an interesting assimilation since the exact role, if any, the United States plays in dispensationalist end-time scenarios is vague. The standard belief is that the United States­apparently of little interest to the biblical prophets­will suffer a rapid decline in fortune, the victim of a massive stock market implosion and the uncontrolled rise of hedonism and secularism.

Some interpreted the September 11 attacks as key events in the fast- approaching decline and fall of the American Empire. The Los Angeles Times reported that a North Carolina pastor has linked the attacks in New York City to Isaiah 30:25, which speaks of “the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.”

And the irrepressible John Hagee, a fervent premillennial dispensationalist and best-selling author based in San Antonio, flatly states: “I believe World War III actually began Sept. 11, 2001.”

Of course, Hagee made similar comments after Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, but that’s already ancient history.

[Interjection: Read more about Hagee’s heretical “beliefs” here: http://www.biblewheel.com/RR/Hagee_Defense_of_Israel.asp ]

September 11 provided the sort of horrific material that mixes well into the potent dispensational brew of sensationalism, biblical sooth-saying, and sci-fi storytelling.

Dispensationalism is a theology of crisis, without much patience for peace and ordinary life. It has never been about the growth and advancement of civilization; its adherents tend to stay off to the side, looking for their chance to triumphantly announce to the masses, “I told you so!” when times turn bad.

Thirty years ago, when the world was threatened by the Cold War and the nation divided by the Vietnam conflict, an unknown youth minister named Hal Lindsey shocked the publishing industry by selling several million copies of The Late Great Planet Earth, the biggest selling nonfiction work of the decade (with sales now totaling close to forty million).

At that time the forces of evil were as obvious as the printed Word of God­or so Lindsey said. They were those aligned against Israel and Christianity: the Soviet Union, Egypt, China, and “Mystery Babylon,” a one-world religion fast forming around an eclectic blend of astrology, narcotics, ecumenism, and the Catholic Church. For several years it was a winning combination.

But the late 1980s were not kind to the movement.

Longtime dispensational strongholds such as Fuller Theological Seminary, BIOLA (the Bible Institute of Los Angeles), and even Dallas Theological Seminary, long considered the spiritual and academic heart of the movement, began distancing themselves from the more popular, rigid forms of the controversial theological system. Lindsey’s thinly veiled prophecy that the 1980s would bring the Rapture and the end of the world (hence his 1981 bestseller The 1980’s: Countdown to Armageddon) failed to materialize.

This was followed by the collapse of the Soviet Union, making Lindsey’s “deduction” in the early 1980s of a possibly imminent Communist takeover appear naive and paranoid. Suddenly the world found itself relatively safe, with freedom spreading and pessimism relegated to the trash heap of history. A new age of tranquillity had arrived and dispensationalism seemed out of fashion.

[ Interjection: Read more about the fallout of this HOAX here: http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar69.htm ]

But there’s nothing like a war to light the apocalyptic fires once again. Of course, it couldn’t be just any war; it had to involve the Middle East, home to Israel, the central and essential entity of the dispensational system. For Lindsey and his many imitators, Israel was not simply a lone democracy in a part of the world known for despots and totalitarian regimes­it was the “key to the prophetic puzzle.”

Israel was also, Lindsey wrote, “the Fuse of Armageddon.” Its reestablishment as a nation in 1948 meant that the prophetic clock, on pause since the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah, was about to restart with a bang. The Persian Gulf War was the breath of fresh air that the gasping dispensational movement needed.

Suddenly, within a few weeks, the prophetic iron went from cool to red-hot. Who would strike it? Among many others, John F. Walvoord, former president and longtime professor (now retired) at Dallas Theological Seminary, made the most of the opportunity. Although widely respected in the dispensationalist community for his relatively sober and academic work, Walvoord had never tasted the sort of success Lindsey was accustomed to.

However, his publisher, Zondervan, was up to the task. Smelling sales, the fundamentalist publishing house dusted off his 1974 book, Armageddon, Oil, and the Middle East Crisis, and republished it in 1990. Within a year it had sold over a million copies.

Although Walvoord still gave Russia her due, the focus of popular dispensationalists had turned to the Islamic world, especially Iran and Iraq. Saddam Hussein became the most likely candidate for the position of Antichrist; Gorbachev, Reagan, and a host of lesser-known potential “Men of Sin” were long-forgotten.

“Babylon” was no longer a code word for the Catholic Church or a worldwide system of apostasy (although it would still be all of that, dispensationalists said); it really was Babylon­ancient Babylon­rebuilt and renewed by a murderous Iraqi dictator. The driving force behind the intended destruction of Israel was not communism, but radical Islam. The ancient battle between Jacob and Esau had resumed.

Lindsey and others such as Grant Jeffrey, Tim LaHaye, and John Hagee unearthed passages of Scripture supposedly proving this prophetic truth. Their books during the 1990s pointed to the growth of terrorist groups operating with the goal of destroying Israel and Israel’s powerful supporter, the “Great Satan,” the United States.

[Interjection: If you want your brain to bleed, you can see more on those date-setting end-times grifters here: http://www.raptureready.com/who/whos-who-of-prophecy.html ]

The horrific attacks on America seemed to validate, to a certain degree, these authors’ repeated warnings about militant Islamic groups. But popular dispensationalists are not content with validation­they apparently want Armageddon and the end of the world. It’s difficult to conclude otherwise. Just read some of the book titles of the past few years: Armageddon, Countdown to Armageddon, Israel’s Final Holocaust, Final Signs, Beginning of the End, Foreshadows of Wrath and Redemption, Apocalypse Now, The Final Battle.

Instead of interpreting and analyzing current events in the light of political, cultural, and social realities­a complex and difficult task­the authors of these books interpret Scripture according to currents events, an approach that is as dangerous as it is subjective.

That’s the approach taken by LaHaye, whose goal with the Left Behind books is to disseminate his understanding of the Book of Revelation to as large an audience as possible. He writes in Revelation Unveiled, “The Book of Revelation is easily the most fascinating book in the Bible, for it gives a detailed description of the future.”

In his 1970s commentary on the Book of Revelation, There’s a New World Coming, Lindsey explained that modern readers could finally understand John the Revelator’s mysterious work because it “is written in such a way that its meaning becomes clear with the unfolding of current world events.”

However, not just anyone can understand the Apocalypse, but only those embracing the dispensationalist system as taught by Lindsey, LaHaye, and a select group of other enlightened Bible prophecy experts. The key is the dispensational system–­without it one simply cannot “rightly divide the Word of God.”

Thus dispensational eschatology becomes a litmus test for orthodoxy.

Rejecting the system raises questions about one’s commitment to biblical inerrancy, literal interpretation of Scripture, and the belief in the pretribulation Rapture. In addition, those less than enthusiastic about dispensationalism are suspected of antagonism towards Israel. Lindsey has made it clear that those who do not embrace dispensationalism are especially vulnerable to anti-Semitism.

The “allegorical” method of interpreting Scripture­badly misrepresented and maligned by most dispensationalists­is roundly condemned for draining all meaning from the Bible. Amillennialism, generally embraced by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and most Protestants, is denounced as heretical, even demonic.

The fact is that authors such as LaHaye and Lindsey teach that the vast majority of Israelites will be killed during the seven years of Tribulation sandwiched between the Rapture and Christ’s Second Coming. “There will be so much fighting” around Jerusalem, Lindsey writes, “[that] blood will flow for two hundred miles.”

He acknowledges that this is hard to believe, but states that this “is exactly what God predicts, and He always fulfills His Word.” In other words, this supposed friend of the Israelites believes that God has willed the bloody death of millions of Jews­simply because He must keep His word.

Prophecy isn’t for the weak of heart, but someone has to let the world know.

Dispensationalism’s popular leaders could not be more confident of their own prophetic powers. They vehemently deny this is the case, but what other conclusion can one reach after reading their books?

Commenting about the Book of Revelation in The Apocalypse “Code”, one of his more recent works, Lindsey remarks, “I believe that the Spirit of God gave me a special insight, not only into how John described what he actually experienced, but also into how this whole phenomenon encoded the prophecies so that they could be fully understood only when their fulfillment drew near. . . . I prayerfully sought for a confirmation for my _apocalypse code theory_.”

In the introduction to his subsequent work, The Final Battle, Lindsey makes another audacious claim:

You won’t find another book quite like this one. We will examine why and how the world is hurtling toward disaster. . . . My background as a student of prophecy allows me to place all this information in perspective in a way that is sure to lead many people to the ultimate truth about the coming global holocaust­and, if they are open, to a wonderful way of escaping it. Read this book. Learn from it. Pass it on to your friends. It may be the last chance some of them will ever have to avoid the horrible fate this book describes.

This pragmatic, matter-of-fact pessimism is both the source of dispensationalism and, oddly enough, the cause for its flourishing within so many fundamentalist groups. John Nelson Darby, the ex-Anglican priest who constructed the premillennial dispensational system in the 1830s, based it on three premises:

Jesus Christ failed in his initial mission, the Church has become apostate and is in ruins, and the Old Testament promises to the Israelites have yet to be fulfilled.

Inevitably and logically this meant that the Church is not connected to Old Testament Israel, nor is she even as important, at least in earthly terms. The Church is, Darby taught, a “heavenly people” meant for a Christ who was relegated to a heavenly status once he was rejected by the Jews, God’s “earthly” people.

Fast forward to the future millennial reign, complete with a new Temple and reinstituted animal sacrifices. During this “Davidic reign” the Church will exercise authority from heaven­possibly in a huge, cubed New Jerusalem hovering over the earth.

Meanwhile, the earth will be occupied by those non-Raptured and non-glorified believers, mostly Jewish, who accepted Jesus as Savior during the Tribulation. After all, that horrific time will be for punishing an evil humanity and will be a means of bringing the Jews back to God in an ultimate display of tough love.

How odd to think that Christians who believe that the Church is composed of “Jew and Greek” alike (Romans 10:12) are sometimes suspected of anti-Semitism by those who believe that in the future, earthly millennium the Jews will be rewarded with earth while pre-Rapture Christians will achieve heaven, the grand prize.

The popularity of such a system does not exist despite its pessimism, but feeds off it, as the success of the Left Behind books seems to indicate. Once the doctrines of the utter depravity of man and his inevitable slide into ever-increasing evil are accepted, the desire for escape and the hope of God’s vengeful judgment naturally follow.

Instead of being incarnational, history becomes fatalistic; instead of being sacramental, the material realm is cursed, even evil. This dualism is both startling and familiar, neo-Gnostic and Manichaean.

While fighting against the “New Age” movement and its dualistic errors, dispensationalists unwittingly embrace a similar error, pitting the spiritual against the physical and the heavenly against the earthly, as though they were never reconciled in the person of Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul may have fought his flesh­his fallen, wounded nature­but he never tried to escape the physical pains his commitment to Christ brought upon him.

Undoubtedly the idea of a pretribulation Rapture would have angered him: “For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for his sake” (Philippians 1:29).

You don’t see that on too many bumper stickers.

Even as dispensationalism’s discontinuity with centuries of historical Christian teaching is being exposed, its selling power continues to impress.

The Left Behind books have mushroomed into an entire industry, replete with CDs, tapes, videos, comic books, apparel, calendars, and a thriving website community. Sales for the books increased by 60 percent after September 11.

There is no doubt that apocalyptic fever is easily caught and passed along in America.

So don’t be surprised if the Left Behind series extends its successful run to fourteen, fifteen, or twenty books.

After all, The End is approaching, but the presses will keep on turning until the final seconds of time vanish into eternity. bttt


18 posted on 05/23/2011 8:34:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ LNF)
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Rapture Ready’s “Approved”
Who’s Who of Prophecy bttt
http://www.raptureready.com/who/whos-who-of-prophecy.html

John Ankerberg — http://www.raptureready.com/who/John_Ankerberg.html Dispy involved with Dave “the Catholic Church sits on the Beast” Hunt (enuf said)

Dave Breese — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Dave_Breese.html - Dispy “prophecy expert” cited in LaHaye’s book

JR Church — http://www.raptureready.com/who/JR_Church.html - Holy Grail “Dispy expert”

Jimmy DeYoung —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Jimmy_DeYoung.html -Dispy expert on Daniel’s “calculations” for the coming of the Messiah

Russ Doughten — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Russ_Doughten.html Father of the Modern Christian Movies -end-times Dispy “expert”

Daymond Duck — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Daymond_Duck.html - A Dispy “prophecy expert” -wrote the end-time survival handbook

Gary D. Frazier —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Gary_Frazier.html Dispy prophecy “expert” and a key Tim LaHaye associate

Arno Froese — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Arno_Froese.html End-times Dispy editor of Midnight Call magazine -how the antichrist will be elected.

Phillip Goodman —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Phillip_Goodman.html -End-times Dispy who “knows” the genealogy of the antichrist

John Hagee — http://www.raptureready.com/who/John_Hagee.html End-times Dispy founder and Pastor of Cornerstone Church -God’s 2 min. warning, Jesus didn’t come to be the Messiah of the Jews, etc. http://www.biblewheel.com/RR/Hagee_Defense_of_Israel.asp

Ed Hindson —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Ed_Hindson.html -Earth’s final hour /another endtimes “Dispy expert”

Dave Hunt — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Dave_Hunt.html -Catholic church the great whore and other “expert Dispy interpretations”

Thomas Ice —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Thomas_Ice.html End-times Dispy guru -defender of the pre-trib view & partner of Tim LaHaye the failed date-setter.

Terry James — http://www.raptureready.com/who/William_Terry_James.html Another Dispy “prophecy expert”

Grant Jeffrey — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Grant_Jeffrey.html -A Y2K - Bible Code Dispy failed date-setter nutcase

David Jeremiah —http://www.raptureready.com/who/David_Jeremiah.html Dispy “expert” on Book of Revelation

Gary Kah — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Gary_Kah.html Dispy “fringer” but, quote: “The only conspiracy speaker that makes sense.”

Tim LaHaye — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Tim_LaHaye.html A Dispy guru - end-times writer of thinly veiled (failed) date-setting “fiction” books like “Left Behind”. Founder of the “Tim LaHaye School of Prophecy” and Co-founder of “Pre-trib Research Center”. Partner of Thomas Ice.

Zola Levitt — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Zola_Levitt.html Hal Lindsey loves this end-times Dispy

David Allen Lewis —http://www.raptureready.com/who/David_Allen_Lewis.html Embarrassing “Prophecy 2000” end-times date-setting Dispy

Hal Lindsey —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Hal_Lindsey.html A Dispy giant in the world of end-times “prophecy”.”...challenged at every turn for his beliefs as well as his 4 marriages” -Late-Great (failed) date-setter. Oh, yeah we know all about that: http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar69.htm But “his books are a great place for ‘serious students’ to study.”

Jan Markell —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Jan_Markell.html Dispy with “behind the news” end-times “expert” prophecy

Chuck Missler — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Chuck_Missler.html Bible “codes” end-times Dispy Good friend of Hal Lindsey (and that ain’t all)

David Noeble —http://www.raptureready.com/who/David_Noeble.html Dispy fundie (remember “the hypnotism of the Beatles,back-masking, etc.”?)

Charles Pack -http://www.raptureready.com/who/Charles_Pack.html- Dispy end-times “expert” says “event time” for rapture shortened.

Donald Perkins — http://www.raptureready.com/who/Donald_Perkins.html Dispy with “prophetic charts” /affiliated w/LaHaye, etal

Randall Price —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Randall_Price.html End-times Dispy archaeology “expert” who knows that “plans to construct a new Temple are being laid.”

David Reagan — http://www.raptureready.com/who/David_Reagan.html Dispy end-times “expert” who loves studying “prophecy”

Larry Spargimino —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Larry_Spargimino.html End-times “expert” who attacks those he calls “anti-prophets”

Perry Stone —http://www.raptureready.com/who/Perry_Stone.html Dispy end-times prophecy expert who endorses Benny Hinn and Bible Codes

John Walvoord — http://www.raptureready.com/who/John_Walvoord.html Former head of Dallas Theological Seminary -highly influenced by the Scofield Dispy “Notes” written in the “Scofield Bible”


19 posted on 05/23/2011 9:06:30 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ LNF)
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To: Matchett-PI
Rapture Ready’s “Approved”
Who’s Who of Prophecy bttt
http://www.raptureready.com/who/whos-who-of-prophecy.html

What a motley interesting collection of names.

The people I read don't even register on their radar. Geerhardus who?

20 posted on 05/23/2011 4:39:08 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never heard of Geerhardus Vos.")
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To: Lee N. Field

You wrote: “The people I read don’t even register on their radar. Geerhardus who?”

Geerhardus Vos? :)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2719342/posts?page=46#46


21 posted on 05/23/2011 7:55:55 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I've studied prophecy 30 years" usually means "I have everything Hal Lindsay ever 'wrote'." ~ LNF)
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To: Matchett-PI
Vos?

Of course.

22 posted on 05/23/2011 8:17:24 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("I've studied bible prophecy 30 years." usually means "I've never heard of Geerhardus Vos.")
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