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Feds seize elderberry juice from Kansas winery
The Kansas City Star ^ | 6/3/11 | Roxana Hegeman

Posted on 06/04/2011 6:29:25 AM PDT by ruralvoter

Federal authorities have seized bottles and drums of elderberry juice concentrate from a Kansas winery, contending that the company's claims of its benefits for treating various diseases make the product a drug. (snip)

The government contends the juice concentrate is an unapproved and misbranded drug because the winery claims it is used to treat diseases such as the flu, cancer and AIDS.

"Products with unapproved disease claims are dangerous because they may cause consumers to delay or avoid legitimate treatments, Dara Corrigan, the FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory affairs, said in a news release. "The FDA is committed to protecting consumers from unapproved products on the market."

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Food; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: drug; elderberry; fda; medicine
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1 posted on 06/04/2011 6:29:30 AM PDT by ruralvoter
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To: ruralvoter

Why not simply tell them to stop making the claim?


2 posted on 06/04/2011 6:33:10 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: ruralvoter
"Products with unapproved disease claims are dangerous because they may cause consumers to delay or avoid legitimate treatments, Dara Corrigan, the FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory affairs, said in a news release. "The FDA is committed to protecting consumers from unapproved products on the market."

I don't need your help. Now run along to the lunch with the drug company lobbyists and collect your protection money.

3 posted on 06/04/2011 6:34:35 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm, better known as bass crack.)
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To: ruralvoter

Yes we need more government. Our nation is insolvent and we pay govt officials to seize elderberry wine.
Nice. I’m sure the Founders had this in mind.


4 posted on 06/04/2011 6:35:26 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

“I don’t need your help.”

Exactly. Just leave us alone. I’ll decide what I want to take.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 6:36:14 AM PDT by all the best
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To: ruralvoter

Snake-oil claims? Yet, the government keeps saying they can control the weather...


6 posted on 06/04/2011 6:36:17 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: ruralvoter

This is so big brother that it is scary.

People were copper bracelets, sleep with magnets, take mega vitamins, buy organic vegetables, go to ‘holistic’ centers, etc. etc. etc. As a doc, I don’t believe anything is therapeutic unless I see data, but it’s not the government’s right to prevent people from using these things.

It’s also not the government’s right to force people to take things for which there is data justifying use. It’s called freedom. I once lived in a country premised on freedom.


7 posted on 06/04/2011 6:38:14 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: ruralvoter

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.


8 posted on 06/04/2011 6:42:38 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Seriously! Our President is the biggest Snake Oil Salesman in history.....


9 posted on 06/04/2011 6:42:44 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Fed’s war on food
Fed’s war on Cheerios
Fed’s war on Boeing
Fed’s war on Elderberry juice

Too bad there is no war on spending.
It is ALMOST as if we had not voted at all in November!


10 posted on 06/04/2011 6:44:30 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: ruralvoter
Wyldewood Cellars owner John Brewer said his company changed the labels as the FDA had requested in 2006.

maybe they didn't anticipate the hope and change.

11 posted on 06/04/2011 6:45:05 AM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Switch off the EPA.)
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To: ruralvoter

“Products with unapproved disease claims are dangerous because they may cause consumers to delay or avoid legitimate treatments”

The legitimate treatments may not always be better for you.


12 posted on 06/04/2011 6:45:12 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: ruralvoter

sheesh, cranberry juice & pomegranate juice are next


13 posted on 06/04/2011 6:46:25 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

I’d swear some of these home remedies are FAR better than the stuff the FDA has approved, like cloves of garlic in the ear to take away infection, or a raw potato to relieve heart burn. WHEN will the gov’t LEAVE US ALONE, folks, it’s time for another Civil War uprising.


14 posted on 06/04/2011 6:49:08 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

I’d swear some of these home remedies are FAR better than the stuff the FDA has approved, like cloves of garlic in the ear to take away infection, or a raw potato to relieve heart burn. WHEN will the gov’t LEAVE US ALONE, folks, it’s time for another Civil War uprising.


15 posted on 06/04/2011 6:49:12 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: omega4179
Gee, it's so HARD to find federal spending we could cut and keep our nation solvent.
Hmmm, where to start?
16 posted on 06/04/2011 6:55:55 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: ruralvoter
If claims make juice a drug, than my chili is a sovereign remedy for what ails you.

'La bonne cuisine est la base du véritable bonheur.' - Auguste Escoffier
(Good food is the foundation of genuine happiness.)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

17 posted on 06/04/2011 6:57:42 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: ruralvoter

Wasn’t it Elderberry wine that the Aunts used to disguise the poison in Arsenic and Old Lace? :)


18 posted on 06/04/2011 7:00:33 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: ruralvoter
Meanwhile:
120,000 die form bad prescriptions again this year!
19 posted on 06/04/2011 7:01:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (A nation that forgets it's past has no future. WinstonChirchill)
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To: Elderberry
The legitimate treatments may not always be better for you.

You got that right ! Have you seen in the commercials the side affects from some of the legitimate treatments ?
I could never figure how the side-effect of an anti-depressant could be thoughts of suicide.

20 posted on 06/04/2011 7:03:30 AM PDT by Mopp4
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To: omega4179

The Terri Schiavo precedent of water being a drug should give the FDA all they need to kill us all. At this rate.


21 posted on 06/04/2011 7:04:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ruralvoter
Drugs are a federal monopoly, you see, and the federal government franchises its monopoly to deserving corporations for monetary consideration.

But don't you dare call it a racket.

22 posted on 06/04/2011 7:14:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: ruralvoter

People need the govt to make sure they don’t ingest bad stuff that might kill them. I mean half the country was stupid enough to vote for obammy...Hey, wait a minute...


23 posted on 06/04/2011 7:17:05 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: nuconvert

Blueberries too. I hope you all didn’t like them in pancakes and muffins. They have a long history of medicinal uses so they’re right out.


24 posted on 06/04/2011 7:18:11 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ruralvoter

Yet they won’t seize the snake oil being sold to us by the President . . . some animals are more equal than others.


25 posted on 06/04/2011 7:20:17 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: ruralvoter
"The FDA is committed to protecting consumers from unapproved products on the market."

Uh-huh. That explains why every other commercial on TV is an ad from a law firm seeking clients to sue the makers of one or another of about a thousand different pharmaceuticals.

26 posted on 06/04/2011 7:23:54 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Mopp4
I could never figure how the side-effect of an anti-depressant could be thoughts of suicide.

Serious answer is that a bad depression will take you so far down that killing yourself is just too much trouble.

A anti-depressant that is just strong enough to allow you to think a bit more clearly but not strong enough to lift you out leaves you in the danger zone. Clear enough to do it, not clear enough to see it is not the answer.

27 posted on 06/04/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: ruralvoter
"Products with unapproved disease claims are dangerous because they may cause consumers to delay or avoid legitimate treatments, Dara Corrigan, the FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory affairs, said in a news release. "The FDA is committed to protecting consumers from unapproved products on the market."

The claimed benefits of wasteful federal spending also dangerously cause Americans to delay or avoid the proper treatments: getting off their tails and making their own lives better through hard work on their own part. I would send a letter to Corrigan, pointing out how helpful this was and asking that he respond similarly to the federal budget . . . except there isn't even a federal budget this year. The socialists in our Senate and the Communist in our White House have gone far beyond what I ever imagined real Americans would tolerate. But we're smarter than a frog being boiled slowly. I hope.

28 posted on 06/04/2011 7:25:13 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: commish

you beat me to it.


29 posted on 06/04/2011 7:25:54 AM PDT by PENANCE
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To: ruralvoter
"Let your food be your medicine and your medicine be your food"

- Hippocrates

30 posted on 06/04/2011 7:26:17 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: commish

LOL! The first thing I thought of when I saw the title.


31 posted on 06/04/2011 7:30:53 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: ruralvoter

Sounds like something out of a Ma and Pa Kettle movie. “Pa, there’s revenuers in the elderberry patch!”


32 posted on 06/04/2011 7:33:25 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: ruralvoter

I have been to this business. It is not a ‘new age remedy’ place. Its just a place that sells wine. I’ve seen the Elderberry bottle...and I almost took the health claims on it as tongue in cheek. I don’t think anybody really believes it cures aids, etc. It was just a fun homage to all the healing power attributed to elderberry.


33 posted on 06/04/2011 7:37:30 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: ruralvoter

Maybe we should send the FDA to seize the Elder Wand! This would protect Voldemort from its series consequencher.


34 posted on 06/04/2011 7:41:39 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: ruralvoter

Drunk all the time
Feeling fine on elderberry wine
Those were the days
We’d lay in the haze
Forget depressive times
How can I ever get it together
Without a wife in line
To pick the crop and get me hot
On elderberry wine

- Elton John/Bernie Taupin


35 posted on 06/04/2011 7:44:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ruralvoter

Maybe we should send the FDA to seize the Elder Wand! This would protect Voldemort from its series consequencher.


36 posted on 06/04/2011 7:46:14 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: TigersEye

No kidding. And don’t forget mushrooms. They’re brain food. And onions. They’re blood cleaner. And raw parsley should just be outlawed or classified as a C2 because its health benefits are so vast.

I am so tired of the government being in my business. Something’s gotta give.


37 posted on 06/04/2011 7:51:15 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: Mopp4

There are always side affects with any medication. Sometimes very nasty side affects. Some short term, others long term.

The question should be is the “cure” worse than then original ailment. This is pretty simple but I wonder how many people consider it.


38 posted on 06/04/2011 7:52:23 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ruralvoter

Seizing the juice really *is* over the top. The company says it changed the labels as requested in 2006; if the new labels aren’t satisfactory, why not just tell them they have to come up with something better?

That said, I also see a lot of misinformation, and people believing outright wacky things about health related issues. (A garlic clove in the ear to cure infection? Honestly???) My contempt for those who engage in selling snake oil “cures” to people who lack understanding of science is boundless.

Like it or not, there is a constitutional case to be made for the existence of the FDA. The constitutional mandate of the government is to protect citizens, and the FDA is one form of protection. Without some sort of watchdog to protect people from snake oil salesmen, how is the average citizen whose science background consists of the two or three courses they took in high school supposed to separate fact from fiction when presented with a sales pitch full of scientific-sounding jargon? Shady scammers know what is effective when it comes to separating people from their money.

The reasons people fall for snake oil “remedies” are multitude. I’m quite happy to see a regulatory agency working to keep those scammers in check. BUT—like any regulatory agency, the agency itself needs to be watched.


39 posted on 06/04/2011 7:53:32 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

And poppy seeds... they are a controlled substance in large quantities. :)


40 posted on 06/04/2011 7:54:35 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ruralvoter

I know nothing about the Winery or the claims it made WRT the positive effects of ELDERBERRY.

Let’s look at what the north European ancestors claimed elderberry was good for. Seasonal allergies, sinus distress, runny nose, etc.

The American Indians used Elderberry for the very same ailments.

We, my family that is, have used it for generations to fight off the discomfort brought on by the pollen in the spring. It is as effective as any of the big pharma remedies and you don’t have to show a photo ID to buy it.

Get it in capsule form and take enough to work. Many herbal remedies as as effective or more so than big pharma’s offerings. Saw Palmetto is a fine example!

Curing HIV is a very strong claim for an herbal cure. Aside from monogamous behavior the other best hope is to have the right DELTA-32 gene variation.

Caddis the elder


41 posted on 06/04/2011 7:55:29 AM PDT by palmerizedCaddis
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To: Brilliant

Good question.

Limo liberals will not tolerate anyone speaking of health foods now that they centrally control the food (recent agricultural leglislation) and bodies (obamacare) of the “masses.”

Liberal jack boots don’t bother to hide their nature of hatred and disrespect for the “stupid” peasants they rule. The farmer is lucky he and his family were not wackoed on their farm “compound.”


42 posted on 06/04/2011 8:04:36 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: BuckeyeTexan
maybe the feds ought outlaw cauliflower and brussell sprouts and last but not least pickled eggs for these products alone has to contribute to green house gases
43 posted on 06/04/2011 8:04:45 AM PDT by mt tom
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To: Brilliant

Because you can’t seize anything if you do that.


44 posted on 06/04/2011 8:16:24 AM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: ruralvoter

Tomorrow all benefits of elderberry magically return.


45 posted on 06/04/2011 8:34:18 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dawn53
Wasn’t it Elderberry wine that the Aunts used to disguise the poison in Arsenic and Old Lace? :)

So are you saying that the federales were right to seize the winery's stock? /sarc


46 posted on 06/04/2011 8:46:06 AM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: ruralvoter

(attempt at singing)
Elderberry wine, makes you feel so fine;
Just help yourself, it’s on the shelf,
Elderberry wine.


47 posted on 06/04/2011 8:55:08 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Mopp4

Yes, I get a kick out it. They read off all those serious side effects with a big smile on their face.


48 posted on 06/04/2011 9:00:51 AM PDT by Dawggie
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To: Vigilantcitizen
"Products with unapproved disease claims are dangerous because they may cause consumers to delay or avoid legitimate treatments, Dara Corrigan, the FDA's associate commissioner for regulatory affairs, said in a news release.

Sounds like pure speculation to me.

49 posted on 06/04/2011 9:15:07 AM PDT by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: ruralvoter
This Federal Government is totally and completely out of control.

Soon the people will exercise their right to replace it. And, that government will oppose their actions to the best of it's ability.

50 posted on 06/04/2011 9:31:37 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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