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New finds in Caucasus suggest non-African origin for ancient Homo species
Science News ^ | Monday, June 6th, 2011 | Bruce Bower

Posted on 06/07/2011 5:39:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Early members of the genus Homo, possibly direct ancestors of people today, may have evolved in Asia and then gone to Africa, not vice versa... new evidence shows the species occupied a West Asian site called Dmanisi from 1.85 million to 1.77 million years ago, at the same time or slightly before the earliest evidence of this humanlike species in Africa, say geologist Reid Ferring of the University of North Texas in Denton and his colleagues...

Evidence remains meager for the geographic origins of the Homo genus, says anthropologist Bernard Wood of George Washington University... and it's possible that humankind's genus got its start in Asia with H. erectus.

Researchers have abandoned the long-standing view that a small-brained hominid from East Africa known as Homo habilis, which first appeared about 2.4 million years ago, evolved into H. erectus. Recent fossil finds showing that the two species coexisted in East Africa for several hundred thousand years have undermined that assumption...

Wood regards H. habilis fossils as apelike enough to be reclassified as part of the Australopithecus lineage, which includes a more than 3-million-year-old species represented by a partial skeleton known as Lucy...

The new Dmanisi discoveries come from just beneath soil that previously yielded 1.77-million-year-old H. erectus fossils, including skulls with surprisingly small brain cases suggestive of an early form of the species (SN: 9/22/07, p. 179). Excavations produced 73 stone tools for cutting and chopping, as well as 34 bone fragments from unidentified creatures. The artifacts came from a series of H. erectus camps at Dmanisi between 1.85 and 1.78 million years ago, the scientists say.

Measurements of reversals in Earth's magnetic field and of the rate of decay of the element argon in a series of volcanic ash layers provided age estimates for the new finds.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencenews.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: dmanisi; godsgravesglyphs; homoerectus; multiregionalism; oldowan; origin; origins; reidferring; republicofgeorgia
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New finds in Caucasus suggest non-African origin for ancient Homo species

1 posted on 06/07/2011 5:39:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: Renfield

Thanks Renfield:

Were ancient human migrations two-way streets? (Assoc Press source)
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110606/D9NMKBIG0.html


2 posted on 06/07/2011 5:40:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought the homo species originated in San Francisco.


3 posted on 06/07/2011 5:41:21 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: SunkenCiv
Still wouldn't be “non- African”.

More like ‘out of Africa - to somewhere else - to everywhere else including Africa’.

4 posted on 06/07/2011 5:41:48 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: SunkenCiv

But, but what about the homeland??? What about Mother Africa??? That’s ok, at least the Kenyan was from there.


5 posted on 06/07/2011 5:42:54 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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6 posted on 06/07/2011 5:45:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well Calypso Louie does say that the white devil was created by a mad scientist in the caucasus.


7 posted on 06/07/2011 5:45:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SunkenCiv

homo erectus, as we now know, evolved AFTER Tweeter


8 posted on 06/07/2011 5:45:41 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: NavVet

Lol...


9 posted on 06/07/2011 5:45:56 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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Human Ancestors Went Out Of Africa And Then Came Back... [1998]
ScienceDaily | Friday, August 7, 1998 | adapted from New York University materials
Posted on 12/17/2007 8:37:11 PM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1940963/posts


10 posted on 06/07/2011 5:46:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
Someone has been pointing this out for 8-10 years now:

Stranger In A New Land (Archaeology)

Image: JOHN GURCHE PORTRAIT OF A PIONEER With a brain half the size of a modern one and a brow reminiscent of Homo habilis, this hominid is one of the most primitive members of our genus on record. Paleoartist John Gurche reconstructed this 1.75-million-year-old explorer from a nearly complete teenage H. erectus skull and associated mandible found in Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. The background figures derive from two partial crania recovered at the site.

Oh yeah...that's right, it's me.

11 posted on 06/07/2011 5:46:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden, and there he put the man he had formed. 10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[a] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[b] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. Genesis 2:8; 10-14

This is where man came from!!

12 posted on 06/07/2011 5:47:34 PM PDT by eak3
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To: SunkenCiv

I give up! Every time an article on this subject comes up, my minds eye sees Adam and Eve changing their appearance.


13 posted on 06/07/2011 5:48:11 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The storm clouds of war are on the horizon, 1939 is again approaching us.)
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New fossil reveals primates lingered in Texas
EurekAlert! | October 13, 2008 | Chris Kirk, University of Texas at Austin
Posted on 11/06/2008 4:10:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2127425/posts


14 posted on 06/07/2011 5:52:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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15 posted on 06/07/2011 5:52:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
Measurements of reversals in Earth’s magnetic field and of the rate of decay of the element argon in a series of volcanic ash layers provided age estimates for the new finds.

I really wish I knew what "reversals" in Earth's magnetic field means. Personally I 'believe' there was a time when due north and magnetic north were in unison and there will come a time when the two are set back in alignment.

Now the notion 'origins' is not 'out' of Africa is almost enough to shake this old earth back into its original orbit.

16 posted on 06/07/2011 5:53:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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The Scars of Evolution:
What Our Bodies Tell Us
About Human Origins

by Elaine Morgan
"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"

17 posted on 06/07/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Really/ REALLY??? WELL LA FREAKIN’ DUH! THEY FINALLY ADMIT IT? DAYUM.


18 posted on 06/07/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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Early Homo erectus Tools in China
by Russell Ciochon and Roy Larick
Volume 53 Number 1, January/February 2000
http://www.archaeology.org/0001/newsbriefs/china.html


19 posted on 06/07/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Is the basis for the “Out of Africa” theory around because they really haven’t found anything anywhere else?

Once the Arctic ice all melts next year and we can see what is up there maybe they’ll find all kinds of things.

Just cause they found stuff in Africa doesn’t mean there isn’t other evidence all over the world.

And to really remove any doubt, why don’t they just ask HT? She would know.


20 posted on 06/07/2011 5:54:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( I ain't scared, no, not me.....teehee)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

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21 posted on 06/07/2011 5:55:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: blam

It’s linked up there somewhere.


22 posted on 06/07/2011 5:59:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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abstract:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/05/31/1106638108.abstract

pdf (members):
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/05/31/1106638108.full.pdf


23 posted on 06/07/2011 6:00:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: bigheadfred

That’s correct. And because there are some nicely preserved strata that are close to the surface, the whole out-of-Africa bias amounts to the punchline of that old joke, the guy lost his glasses inside the dark restaurant, but he’s looking around outside because the light’s better.


24 posted on 06/07/2011 6:02:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Just mythoughts

Reversals in the Earth’s magnetic field means, the magnetic poles of the Earth have shifted in short amounts of time, and many more times than once or twice; and the shifts (which are recorded in ferrous rocks that used to be molten lava) are not related to continental drift.


25 posted on 06/07/2011 6:04:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: blam

I’d hit it.

That is a female right?


26 posted on 06/07/2011 6:04:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SunkenCiv
New finds in Caucasus suggest non-African origin for ancient Homo species

I always thought Homos originated in San Francisco.

:>p

27 posted on 06/07/2011 6:05:42 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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Large changes of the earth's magnetic fields in historical times
by William R. Corliss
Science Frontiers #22: Jul-Aug 1982
By measuring the magnetic properties of bricks and other accurately dated human artifacts, geophysicists can reconstruct the history of the local magnetic field. Near Loyang, China, the field was as much as 54% higher in 300 A.D. than it is now. It was 15% higher in 1500 A.D. In 1000, it was less than today's value.

(Wei, Q.Y., et al; "Intensity of the Geomagnetic Field near Loyang, China, between 500 BC and AD 1900," Nature, 296:728, 1982.)

Comment. Direct measurements of the earth's field go back only a few hundred years, but they are consistent with the data reconstructed from artifacts, both showing a steady decrease since 1500. No one has estimated the effects of these substantial changes on radiocarbon dating and, perhaps, human biology.

28 posted on 06/07/2011 6:06:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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[old note of mine I saved from another topic] Since the magnetic pole shifts in the fossil record don’t seem to be uniformly spaced, at all, the cause of them is probably external. Since I was a Boy Scout (hard to believe, I know) the magnetic north pole has moved hundreds of miles.


29 posted on 06/07/2011 6:06:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
Reversals in the Earth’s magnetic field means, the magnetic poles of the Earth have shifted in short amounts of time, and many more times than once or twice; and the shifts (which are recorded in ferrous rocks that used to be molten lava) are not related to continental drift.

Something like every 300,000 years.
30 posted on 06/07/2011 6:06:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SunkenCiv
..of the University of North Texas

I knew civilization started in North Texas. ;-)

31 posted on 06/07/2011 6:08:58 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Damn homos, they go back a long way!


32 posted on 06/07/2011 6:09:29 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Wise To The Lies!)
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To: NavVet
I thought the homo species originated in San Francisco.

You're bad! You're gonna get in trouble!

But, you're right. Homes didn't come from North Texas. They came from San Francisco.

33 posted on 06/07/2011 6:25:02 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: SunkenCiv

I can’t say that I ever gave a lot of credence to that “out of Africa” business. I think one reason it was so rapidly accepted was that it was, well, politically correct.


34 posted on 06/07/2011 6:25:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Randy Larsen
Damn homos, they go back a long way!

Really ... and when they said ancient homos, I expected a picture of Bawney Fwank.

35 posted on 06/07/2011 6:25:22 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (If he has nothing to hide, why is he spending so much $$$ hiding it?)
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To: cripplecreek

No time scale. There is evidence of intervals as short as 50,000 years, with others as long as 10 million years. Seemingly random.


36 posted on 06/07/2011 6:25:43 PM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: SunkenCiv

bookmark


37 posted on 06/07/2011 6:28:28 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: SunkenCiv

Does this mean that we`re not all Egyptians after all?


38 posted on 06/07/2011 6:47:56 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: bunkerhill7

The link at the top of the page goes to a site that tries to download a trojan virus.


39 posted on 06/07/2011 7:06:44 PM PDT by DavemiesterP
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To: bigheadfred

“Once the Arctic ice all melts next year and we can see what is up there maybe they’ll find all kinds of things.”

We can just ask the nuclear sub captain parked under that ice.


40 posted on 06/07/2011 7:24:15 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: eak3
But God Himself planted a garden ~ and you know what that means, right?

God owned a nursery somewhere.

Bet he had some breeding stock as well.

41 posted on 06/07/2011 7:29:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dangerdoc

Like he would tell us? Even if I said I was his mother I think he would ignore us.


42 posted on 06/07/2011 7:30:46 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( I ain't scared, no, not me.....teehee)
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To: NavVet

Didn’t originate there; migrated there from Sodom, just before the destruction of the cities. The “City By The Bay” reminded them of the “The Cities By The Sea”.


43 posted on 06/07/2011 7:30:46 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Reversals in the Earth’s magnetic field means, the magnetic poles of the Earth have shifted in short amounts of time, and many more times than once or twice; and the shifts (which are recorded in ferrous rocks that used to be molten lava) are not related to continental drift.

Thank you for your helpful response. I do remember the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake causing a measurable shift of this earth, and then again with the recent quake near Japan. What I have not read is which direction from polar north the earth shifted.

44 posted on 06/07/2011 8:29:08 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Re: magnetic reversals. This site gives a pretty concise explanation of it.

http://www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/education/reversals.html


45 posted on 06/07/2011 10:10:15 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

I think the big earthquakes nudged the earth’s axis of rotation? I don’t think they affected the earth’s magnetism.

The Japan earthquake this year actually moved the whole island by over a meter. (slid it closer to the mainland, I believe).

http://www.gpsworld.com/survey/news/gps-shows-dramatic-position-shifts-japan-earthquake-11212


46 posted on 06/07/2011 10:18:19 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Explorer89

Thank you for the link. I think I will have to read this more than one time to get a better grasp of what has happened and appears to continue to take place.


47 posted on 06/07/2011 10:20:05 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

I just found a nice reference in the book, “A Crack in the Edge of the World” (about the San Francisco earthquake of 1906) by Simon Winchester (p. 70-71) about the magnetic reversals. I think it is in one of his other books, about the mapping of the field reversals across the sea floor that show the seafloor spreading (it is leaving “stripes” across the ocean floor). Go to your library and grab a few Simon Winchester books (”Krakatoa”, “The Map that Changed the World”, and “The Crack....”). He explains plate tectonics really simply. Another book I’ve loved is John McPhee’s “Annals of the Former World” which talks about island chains like Japan squishing into North America and basically creating California.


48 posted on 06/07/2011 10:31:41 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Get ready for an NAACP lawsuit.


49 posted on 06/07/2011 10:43:18 PM PDT by Fledermaus (As long as John Boehner is Speaker, conservatives are screwed. He's a coward and a crybaby.)
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To: cripplecreek
I’d hit it. That is a female right?

There once was a man named McTavish

Who attempted an anthropoid ravish;

In his haste for the rape

He grabbed the wrong ape

And the anthropoid ravished McTavish!

50 posted on 06/07/2011 11:13:03 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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