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Do people on here like Andrew Jackson?
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Posted on 06/08/2011 6:26:35 PM PDT by Mozilla

I figured Andrew Jackson is one the bad guys in history. And I believe people like Glenn Beck hate him. For one thing he was a democrat who help his party gain control that they had for a long time afterward. I figured he was instrumental into ruining the nation into what we have today. I maybe wrong, but I wanted to search him on this website and it seemes every article likes him a lot. How come? Do people like Andrew Jackson like they hate Abe Lincoln? Strange stuff.


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1 posted on 06/08/2011 6:26:39 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

20s are ok but I prefer Grants or Franklins.


2 posted on 06/08/2011 6:28:59 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Mozilla

Is English your native language?


3 posted on 06/08/2011 6:29:20 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Mozilla

I’ve got mixed feelings on him. He did good things but he wasn’t much for letting the constitution get in his way.


4 posted on 06/08/2011 6:31:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: xp38

Works for me too


5 posted on 06/08/2011 6:31:55 PM PDT by F15Eagle (Prov 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife)
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To: Mozilla

I like Benjamin Franklin much more..

6 posted on 06/08/2011 6:32:01 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: Mozilla
Whenever I think of Andrew Jackson I think of the Clintons.

Hill-billies in the White House.

7 posted on 06/08/2011 6:32:19 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: stormer

I type fast and don’t check grammar.


8 posted on 06/08/2011 6:32:42 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

I find it ironic that the Democrats honor this slave owner with their annual fundraiser, The Jefferson (another slave owner)-Jackson dinner.

My problem with Jackson is what he did to the Cherokee Indians. They owned farm land and he simply took it away from them and forced marched them Oklahoma, many died along the way.


9 posted on 06/08/2011 6:32:45 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Mozilla
Andrew Johnson was probably Americas worst President, but I am not so sure about Andrew Jackson being terrible. He was a small Federal Gov't guy.

BTW, who cares what Beck thinks? He likes Ron Paul for crying out loud.

10 posted on 06/08/2011 6:34:51 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: cripplecreek

Well I got the feeling that some people liked him in the comments of prior articles.

Why is it that you have mixed Feelings on him?


11 posted on 06/08/2011 6:35:28 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Democrats didn’t become the party of taxes, entitlement, and special interest groups until long after Andrew Jackson was dead.

Lincoln destroyed the United States of America and recreated it as something that should be called the Federal Republic of America. Hint: the words “United” and “States” meant something before Lincoln. Today, they are just an empty name that has no significance other than a name like France or Spain.


12 posted on 06/08/2011 6:35:39 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I agree.


13 posted on 06/08/2011 6:36:58 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla
Andrew Jackson is a mixed bag--some good things (winning the battle of New Orleans), some bad (Trail of Tears). Some of his policies as President were wrongheaded and helped lead to a major depression shortly after he left office.

Andrew Johnson was an Andrew Jackson hero-worshipper. I read an account written by an unidentified Englishman in the US shortly after Lincoln's death, which emphasized the similarities between Jackson and Johnson's policies--of course there wasn't much to go on as to Johnson's policies as President by then, but the author referred to Johnson as a "Red" and found his extreme belief in the people problematic. That came from Jackson.

I don't know if Jackson should have his likeness on the $20 bill, but I have no objection to spending twenties.

14 posted on 06/08/2011 6:37:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mozilla

He got rid of the central bank and paid off the national debt. He was a great President.


15 posted on 06/08/2011 6:40:07 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Mozilla

Maybe you need to log in again.


16 posted on 06/08/2011 6:40:29 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: Mozilla
On Andrew Jackson's gravestone is his proudest accomplishment: "I KILLED THE BANK"

This was the precursor to the Federal Reserve we have today. Jackson killed an early attempt to take over America's economy/wealth by banksters. For that alone, he deserves props.

17 posted on 06/08/2011 6:41:45 PM PDT by sklar
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To: Mozilla

One thing I know for absolute certainty: Andrew Jackson would NEVER EVER have bailed out the big banks. Not in a MILLION years.

There was a little too much of the cult of personality among his supporters for my taste.

The liberals claim he was a racist against the Indians, but he even adopted an Indian child.

What the liberals mistake for racism was Andrew Jackson’s firm intention that if you attacked the United States or killed Americans, like the Creeks or the Seminoles did, you would be damn sorry until the day Andrew Jackson stood over your stupid ass while your all of your blood was running out into the ground.


18 posted on 06/08/2011 6:42:05 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Mozilla

The one good thing he did was doing away with the Second Bank of the U.S. His unconstitutional ethnic cleansing of the East Coast and the death march he sent the Cherokees on were low points in the nation’s history.


19 posted on 06/08/2011 6:42:30 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Mozilla

Ordering martial law in New Orleans and conscripting the locals despite the president’s order to retreat from the city was just a tad over the line.

On the other hand I like the fact that he told the banks where to get off. As a military man it was clear that he cared about his soldiers.


20 posted on 06/08/2011 6:43:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Mozilla

I think Jackson was a great man but like most he had flaws. He may have been the bravest man ever to be President. He also may have been the toughest. His men did not call him “Old Hickory” because he was a wimp.

I agree that he never let the Constitution get in his way. Now that I think about it, he probably never let anything get in his way.

Although he forced the Indians into Oklahoma, (btw, Eastern Oklahoma is a beautiful land), he adopted an Indian baby and raised him as his own.

A really forceful personality who was basically good but also started the slide which ended in an all powerful Federal Government. Even so if it had not been for Lincoln, it probably would never have gotten to the current state.


21 posted on 06/08/2011 6:43:23 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Maine Mariner

>My problem with Jackson is what he did to the Cherokee Indians. They owned farm land and he simply took it away from them and forced marched them Oklahoma, many died along the way.

I’m not too great with history: but wasn’t that known as the Trail of Tears?


22 posted on 06/08/2011 6:44:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
There was a little too much of the cult of personality among his supporters for my taste.

Agreed, from Jackson Michigan.
23 posted on 06/08/2011 6:44:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Siena Dreaming
"Whenever I think of Andrew Jackson I think of the Clintons. Hill-billies in the White House."

While I'd give Jackson mixed reviews, There's no comparison. Jackson was the last POTUS to have served in the Revolutionary War and came back to fight again in 1812. He never dodged a draft or sold weapons secrets to the nation's enemies.

Jackson was certainly a good ole boy, but tough as nails, surviving a british sword blow and small pox and when an assassination attempt was made he had to be restrained from beating his assailant senseless. Bubba was a wimp that talked tough but always had others do his bidding.

24 posted on 06/08/2011 6:44:54 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mozilla

When he was but a lad, he was a brave runner bringing messages across enemy lines during the Revolution; he also did good during the War of 1812. After that, it was downhill.


25 posted on 06/08/2011 6:45:18 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I would put several other Presidents below Andrew Johnson. He was the wrong man for the times, far too stubborn, and lacked vision, but had some good qualities as a person. Even Prof. Gordon-Reed, who has a recent biography of him, admits that, and she has no reason to go easy on him because she is black.

Back in the 1940s there was a movie about Andrew Johnson's impeachment which had him as the good guy and the Radical Republicans as the bad guys. The racial issues were pretty much ignored, I think. One of the channels that runs a lot of old movies ran it during the Clinton impeachment.

26 posted on 06/08/2011 6:45:19 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes it was.


27 posted on 06/08/2011 6:47:55 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Mozilla

Even taking him as a product of his own time, he had an excessive hatred of Indians. The falling out between him and Crockett was apparently more about his mistreatment of Indians (now Native Americans) than anything else. The exact truth of that is obscured by time, but Crockett gives a clear enough picture to know that Jackson was at best an extremely flawed human being.

Not as bad as the racist DemocRat, Woodrow Wilson. Few are. But bad nonetheless.


28 posted on 06/08/2011 6:47:55 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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I suggest you read Robert W. Merry’s book, A Country Of Vast Designs.

It is ostensibly about James K. Polk (President, 1485), but he was a ‘political creature’, a protege, of President Jackson. Merry does a good job of describing the men and how politics worked before the Civil War.

Andrew Jackson wasn’t liked by the surviving founders of the U.S.A. The book is an excellent read and describes the Mexican War, I believe, accurately.


29 posted on 06/08/2011 6:48:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Mozilla

Back then the electorate could handle tough guys, tough issues, and tough decisions. Jackson was a very mixed bag, you don’t have to be defensive about coming down for him, or agin him.


30 posted on 06/08/2011 6:49:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: Mozilla

Even taking him as a product of his own time, he had an excessive hatred of Indians. The falling out between him and Crockett was apparently more about his mistreatment of Indians (now Native Americans) than anything else. The exact truth of that is obscured by time, but Crockett gives a clear enough picture to know that Jackson was at best an extremely flawed human being.

Not as bad as the racist DemocRat, Woodrow Wilson. Few are. But bad nonetheless.


31 posted on 06/08/2011 6:50:20 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Maine Mariner

Thank you for the confirmation.


32 posted on 06/08/2011 6:50:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: FightThePower!; Mozilla
"He got rid of the central bank and paid off the national debt. He was a great President."

Yeah, what he said. Plus this quote from the man himself:

Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

33 posted on 06/08/2011 6:50:59 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Maine Mariner

Absolutely, my wife is Cherokee and this caucasian gets the message about Jackson on a regular basis! Go see “Unto These Hills” at Cherokee, NC sometime. Makes it pretty clear how Jackson repaid the Cherokees for their earlier help.

Her ancestors were able to avoid the hideous march by hiding in the mountains of eastern Kentucky.


34 posted on 06/08/2011 6:52:43 PM PDT by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: Mozilla

35 posted on 06/08/2011 6:54:06 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: jennings2004

As far as I am concerned it is perhaps the first, but certainly not the last, taking of private property by the
Rats.


36 posted on 06/08/2011 6:54:49 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: SatinDoll

James K Polk was one of the top 5 Presidents of all time. Did everything he said he would do and left office after 4 years.


37 posted on 06/08/2011 6:56:08 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Mozilla
I've written extensively on AJ. I've debated his lapdog biographer, Robert Remini, in various forums.

Jackson had some good points. He clearly loved America; he was decisive; and he didn't take crap.

But he was the first president to preside over a truly "big government." He wielded executive power far more ruthlessly than all previous presidents combined; he vetoed more bills than all previous presidents combined---a sharp departure from the English "whig" notion that the legislature was the house of the people, which ALL of the Founders accepted; and I think the myth that he opposed the BUS because it was a "government" bank is just that---hogwash.

I found a document in AJ's papers in Nashville that showed he had instructed Levi Woodbury, his TreasSec to develop his own "national bank," and it was not, as some apologists say, a "subtreasury," but a regular old national bank . . . except one run by his guys. He tried to ban all small notes (paper money under a certain denomination), which is anti-free market. He screwed the Cherokee, even after the USSC ruled in their favor. He implied he would hang John C. Calhoun for opposing the Tariff of Abominations (Calhoun was wrong, but hanging was a bit severe).

He's one of those guys who should have stayed a general.

38 posted on 06/08/2011 6:56:18 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Pan_Yan

Whose tombstone is that?


39 posted on 06/08/2011 6:57:34 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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40 posted on 06/08/2011 6:58:32 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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Andrew Jackson: Good, Evil, and the Presidency
41 posted on 06/08/2011 6:58:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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people like Glenn Beck

What the hell does that mean?

Glenn isn't fond of AJ because AJ got his rocks off deporting and ethnically cleansing Indians. What exactly has you confused about disliking mass murderers?

42 posted on 06/08/2011 7:00:02 PM PDT by SwankyC (Can man rule himself?)
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To: LS
He's one of those guys who should have stayed a general.

Well put. Like U.S. Grant.

43 posted on 06/08/2011 7:00:52 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Mozilla

I hate Andrew Jackson and I wish he were dead.


44 posted on 06/08/2011 7:01:56 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Your what hurts??)
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To: LS
he opposed the BUS because it was a "government" bank is just that---hogwash

Yes, he was very anti-Hamilton and his policies ending up causing depression.

45 posted on 06/08/2011 7:03:18 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Mozilla

Never met him.


46 posted on 06/08/2011 7:03:49 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Wise To The Lies!)
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To: Bean Counter
I hate Andrew Jackson and I wish he were dead.

He is.
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47 posted on 06/08/2011 7:07:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Indian Removal Act 1830 Andrew Jackson
48 posted on 06/08/2011 7:07:54 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: LS

bttt


49 posted on 06/08/2011 7:10:16 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Bean Counter

oooh! such harsh language . . . I bet you will be sorry if you find out that he is dead.

huh? he is?

oh, Never Mind.


50 posted on 06/08/2011 7:11:31 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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