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Foreclosure limbo: Staying without paying.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Foreclosure-limbo-Staying-cnnm-989137852.html?x=0 ^

Posted on 06/09/2011 11:10:52 AM PDT by Scythian

MODERATOR, I OPENED THIS UNDER CHIT CHAT AND WANT MY TITLE, THIS IS NOT A NEWS STORY POSTING

Charles and Jill Segal have not made a mortgage payment in nearly five years -- but they continue to live in their five-bedroom West Palm Beach, Fla. home.

Lynn, from St. Petersburg, Fla., has been living without paying for three years.

In Thousand Oaks, Calif., an actor has missed 30 payments, and still, he has not lost his home.

They're not alone.

Some 4.2 million mortgage borrowers are either seriously delinquent or have had their cases referred to lawyers to pursue foreclosure auctions, according to LPS Applied Analytics. Of those, two-thirds have made no payments at all for at least a year, and nearly one-third have gone more than two years.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Foreclosure-limbo-Staying-cnnm-989137852.html?x=0

I FEEL LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT, I ALWAYS PAY MY MORTGAGE ONTIME AND HAVE EXCELLENT CREDIT. HOWEVER, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY CRASH AND WE'LL ALL LOSE OUR HOMES, SO I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY I AM PAYING RATHER THAN JUST STOP PAYING AND SAVING THE MONEY?

I GUESS BECAUSE MORALLY I COULDN'T DO THAT, AND I MADE SURE I COULD AFFORD MY HOUSE, AND I GOT A FIXED RATE MORTGAGE RATHER THAN GAMBLE THAT I WOULD EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT LIKE THE REST OF THESE LOSERS. I'M PISSED.

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1 posted on 06/09/2011 11:10:58 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Is it really necessary to USE ALL CAPS?


2 posted on 06/09/2011 11:12:11 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Scythian

A deal is a deal. Pay your obligations.


3 posted on 06/09/2011 11:13:42 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Scythian

I FEEL LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT, I ALWAYS PAY MY MORTGAGE ONTIME AND HAVE EXCELLENT CREDIT. HOWEVER, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY CRASH AND WE’LL ALL LOSE OUR HOMES, SO I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY I AM PAYING RATHER THAN JUST STOP PAYING AND SAVING THE MONEY?


LIfe is full of choices, you can be like them if you want.


4 posted on 06/09/2011 11:14:27 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Scythian

You gotta wonder. Do these deadbeats get to escape any accrued interest on the unpaid balance?


5 posted on 06/09/2011 11:15:32 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: isthisnickcool

There are trade-offs. Yes they live rent-free for a time, but then their credit is killed. A foreclosure on your record can be worse than a bankruptcy on your credit report.

People walking away has made the housing foreclosure problem much worse. Anecdotal evidence is that some who could afford to pay just decided not to. Not every foreclosure is a story of job loss and illness draining savings and all that.


6 posted on 06/09/2011 11:16:30 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: CA Conservative

That means ANGER, so yes, I had to.

They should evict the people, bull doze the homes which should have never been built, now, our homes are going to be absolutely worthless. We haven’t seen 20% of the drop that is coming in home values yet.


7 posted on 06/09/2011 11:16:36 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Why would you feel like an idiot for not being a loser/welcher?

We’re not “all going to lose our homes” either. It isn’t as if we’ll have 330 million people wandering the streets.


8 posted on 06/09/2011 11:18:36 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Scythian
I GUESS BECAUSE MORALLY I COULDN'T DO THAT, AND I MADE SURE I COULD AFFORD MY HOUSE, AND I GOT A FIXED RATE MORTGAGE RATHER THAN GAMBLE THAT I WOULD EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT LIKE THE REST OF THESE LOSERS. I'M PISSED.

Why? You will still own your house after 5 years. People taking the gamble on non payment will not and I rather doubt they will be living well after that. I think that is just an impression people have of the freeloaders. They will get theirs down the road.

9 posted on 06/09/2011 11:18:36 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Scythian
HE ECONOMY IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY CRASH AND WE'LL ALL LOSE OUR HOMES You are a moron. Send me all your money immediately.
10 posted on 06/09/2011 11:18:59 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
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To: Scythian
This lady has them beat

Women hasn't paid mortgage in over 25 years

11 posted on 06/09/2011 11:20:34 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

If they were going to bail out the banks, they should have just bailed out individual home owners. Yes it sucks that they get rewarded for bad behavior, but at least it keeps home values up for the rest of the market.

We all know what happened when the banks got the money. They get paid back for the “toxic” assets, but still foreclose and take the house back. Values drop, and what happened to all the cash the bank got? They just sat on it.


12 posted on 06/09/2011 11:21:27 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Lazlo in PA

My guess is a lot of people just stopped paying and have the money, the banks will never find out they’ve been stoking away the money. What a scam.

This reminds me of all the illegals who were flipping houses in california, buying them with no money down and selling them to their cousins for 100k more than they bought it, this would happen a few times and then the house would go into foreclosure without anyone ever having made a paying and illegal aliens with no education here illegally walking away with a few 100k, this happend a lot, the government was warned it was going on and did nothing. I work my ass off and wonder what the hell I am doing, frustrated beyond belief.


13 posted on 06/09/2011 11:21:44 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: All

I feel your frustration...

I have several acquaintences who’ve hit the jackpot (in their minds) in similar situations.

One acquaintence bought a condo many years ago and used it’s equity to buy other houses to rent out. It was the usual no money down, liar loans, etc. and he was doing very well till the housing market downturn.

He ran out of money and couldn’t make any of the payments on his condo and 5 rental properties...but he continued to collect the rents.

Long story short, he collected rents for over 4 years and never paid a dime on any of the mortgage payments, homeowner fees, property taxes etc., including his own condo.

Eventually the banks started taking the properties back, but for over 4 years, pure income, no expenses and lived free in his own condo.

From what I’m reading, this is more common then one would think.


14 posted on 06/09/2011 11:22:02 AM PDT by OhhTee5
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To: Scythian

To me it all comes down to the value of peace of mind (in addition to maintaining good credit).

These people wake up every day with no peace of mind that they will continue to be allowed to live in a house they don’t own.

I think the stress of that alone would kill me (or at least seriously impact my health).

So I’ll continue to pay my mortgage because it’s the right thing to do and it gives me the peace of mind I need. (Lord knows there are enough things going on in the world to stress me out without me creating even more stress through my own bad actions.)


15 posted on 06/09/2011 11:24:25 AM PDT by The4thHorseman
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To: Peter from Rutland

Let me rephrase, we wont lose our homes, we’ll just owe 1000% more than they are worth, or are ever going to be worth. Is this a difference? Worse I’d say. Like I said, we haven’t seen the beginning of the drop in housing prices, that is what is coming though.


16 posted on 06/09/2011 11:25:00 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
So that's how they can afford those big times houses, big SUVs, gardeners, eating out every night, country club memberships, expensive jewelry, and God knows what else. But enough about Congress, let's talk about regular Americans.
17 posted on 06/09/2011 11:31:42 AM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Scythian

We paid off our mortgage in 2008, and our house is still worth about 60% more than what we paid in 1990. I know a lot of the newer homes are upside down on value.


18 posted on 06/09/2011 11:32:01 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Scythian

I share your OUTRAGE over this and a number of other attrocities that have been foisted upon the American taxpayer.

Good character, good principles and personal responsibility are being trashed, minimized and laughed at by those who don’t realize the catastrope that’s unfolding. Cheaters, liars and free-loaders are being held up as “normal” by Liberal thinkers. They will be our downfall.

So: RIGHT ON SCHYTHIAN! THIS KIND OF CRAP MAKES ME MAD AS HELL TOO!


19 posted on 06/09/2011 11:32:12 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Scythian

I guess the concept of honor and the value of ones word is completely lost?


20 posted on 06/09/2011 11:32:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Scythian

A mortgage agreement is a legal contract. We live in a civil society with obligations to fulfill contracts.
Not paying your mortgage, and keeping the money you owe the bank who lent it to you is very risky & short sighted. Morally reprehensible IMHO.
Do the right thing, no matter what others around you are doing.


21 posted on 06/09/2011 11:33:44 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: isthisnickcool
A deal is a deal. Pay your obligations.

Sorry.

After the example the banksters set, paying your obligations is now for suckers only.

22 posted on 06/09/2011 11:35:54 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Scythian

I don’t believe this story for a moment. How would the loan closings be completed if the seller’s bank was not being paid by the buyer’s bank?


23 posted on 06/09/2011 11:36:23 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Scythian
THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY CRASH AND WE'LL ALL LOSE OUR HOMES, SO I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY I AM PAYING RATHER THAN JUST STOP PAYING AND SAVING THE MONEY?
The wicked borrows but does not pay back,
but the righteous is generous and gives
-- Psalm 37:21

24 posted on 06/09/2011 11:37:10 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: submarinerswife

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703865004575648900250047766.html


25 posted on 06/09/2011 11:38:12 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Scythian
Last year when I was unemployed, I missed only three months of mortgage payments. My house was up for foreclosure by the end of that time. How people can go for years without paying on purpose and get away with it is beyond my comprehension. I guess the county saw that I had always voted Republican and punished me for it. If I had voted demonrat maybe I would have gotten away with it...
26 posted on 06/09/2011 11:39:46 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

You gotta wonder. Do these deadbeats get to escape any accrued interest on the unpaid balance?

I don’t know about that, but I bet a million bucks that they are paying property taxes because if they weren’t, they would be out of that house faster than they can say “foreclosure”. They are extremely strict about property taxes.


27 posted on 06/09/2011 11:39:57 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Cincinna

“Do the right thing, no matter what others around you are doing.”

Thought this sentiment should be repeated!!!


28 posted on 06/09/2011 11:40:12 AM PDT by KEmom (Proud to be a Mama Grizzly!!!)
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To: CSM

Oh, these examples are very real ...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Foreclosure-limbo-Staying-cnnm-989137852.html?x=0


29 posted on 06/09/2011 11:41:05 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Lynn...purchased a two-bedroom on Tampa Bay in 1998 for $135,000. As the waterfront property's value skyrocketed, eventually reaching $750,000, she refinanced twice (once to expand a business), and took out a second mortgage. She now owes more than $600,000 on the home, which is worth only $235,000.

The math:spin options:

1. The house is now worth $100,000 ($235,000 - $135,000) more than when she bought it:She made some bad decisions, and now she’s paying for it.

2. She lost $515,000 ($750,000 - $235,000) on this house because of evil bankers:She deserves sympathy.

30 posted on 06/09/2011 11:41:20 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Mr.Unique

Are you joking, she deserves sympathy? Hardly


31 posted on 06/09/2011 11:44:29 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Your house is going too fall like a stone regardless, as there are literally ten to fifteen years worth of homes that should never have been built.

The housing bubble began under Carter and really accelerated under Clinton. If you have you have bern here more than ten years so all of this has been explained to you.

Millions of homes are going to wind up unoccupied and will slowly decay.
If you want them bulldozed, do it on your dime.


32 posted on 06/09/2011 11:47:21 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Scythian

Taking the equity out of the house is a far cry from selling it to relatives.


33 posted on 06/09/2011 11:48:12 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: mnehring

I’m not sure “honor” is really the issue when it comes to financial investments. What I mean is, you simply make a choice: do you want good credit or bad credit? If you want the former, you pay your mortgage; if you want the latter, you don’t pay your mortgage.


34 posted on 06/09/2011 11:52:20 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Cincinna; Chunga85; Kartographer

A mortgage agreement is a legal contract. We live in a civil society with obligations to fulfill contracts.
Not paying your mortgage, and keeping the money you owe the bank who lent it......
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What if the bank that “lent you money” didn’t actually lend anything and the real lender is not disclosed on any of your documents ... you’re holding a void contract.. how do you honor a contract that doesn’t exist? After 30 years and 360 payments you’re going to be REALLY upset when you find out the ownership of the house cannot be determined... Will the “bank” give you a big wet kiss for all the payments received in repayment of their fiction?

For fun go back to your title/closing company and get a copy of the checks produced and the wire instructions/confirmation from the funding agent (”intermediate funding agent”) along with the disbursement instructions and copies of any mail/e:mail from the file you can get,, that and find the beneficiary on the title insurance policy you had to buy on behalf of the bene will tell the story. THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE FILES .. YOU OWN THEM YOU PAID FOR THE WORK ... LEARN ... THEN YOU CAN SPEAK OUT...

Most of these people don’t understand the full story but they have the right idea ,, kind of like how my 81 year old mother knows how to drive but has never known how or why the car works ... she knows the results of turning the key or pressing the brake just as these people know the “lenders” can’t produce ownership docs without resorting to felonious activity ,, forging new docs with false signatures in the names of defunct entities and presenting them to the courts as if they were real documents... Why is that??? Makes yo go HMMMMM...


35 posted on 06/09/2011 11:53:19 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Scythian

After a while a person becomes the sum of their choices.


36 posted on 06/09/2011 11:58:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Scythian; Chunga85; Kartographer

Please read and learn ,, don’t get mad ,, get even

http://livinglies.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/fontes-memo-9th-ciruit-bap-judge-jury-a-member-of-the-panel.pdf


37 posted on 06/09/2011 11:58:52 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: mnehring
I guess the concept of honor and the value of ones word is completely lost?

The gov't and crony capitalists started it.


38 posted on 06/09/2011 11:59:09 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: submarinerswife

Women hasn’t paid mortgage in over 25 years
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And she is correct in doing so ... I’m familiar with that case ..


39 posted on 06/09/2011 12:01:33 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Scythian
So you're envious of the wicked.

Pro 23:17 Let not thine heart envy sinners: but [be thou] in the fear of the LORD all the day long. Pro 23:18 For surely there is an end; and thine expectation shall not be cut off.

40 posted on 06/09/2011 12:03:09 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Scythian
“My guess is a lot of people just stopped paying and have the money, the banks will never find out they’ve been stoking away the money”

Just think what this does to the people who really need help (and there are many). Those kind of scenarios are what makes it so difficult for those truly in need to get help.

41 posted on 06/09/2011 12:06:23 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: Mr.Unique
She lost $515,000 ($750,000 - $235,000) on this house because of evil bankers:She deserves sympathy.

She bought the house at $135,000. No banker made her take temporary equity out of the house in the form of a loan which she spent on something else.

You could make a better argument from today's perspective that she borrowed money with no real equity. She still owes the money but that banks will have nothing to claim if she defaults.

She used a real estate bubble as a source of cash. Perfectly legal, but she still owes the money, even she through it all away.

42 posted on 06/09/2011 12:09:56 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Scythian

It’s called integrity. Some have it, some don’t have it and make excuses. (the bank made me do it, etc..).


43 posted on 06/09/2011 12:20:47 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: Scythian

SO I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY I AM PAYING RATHER THAN JUST STOP PAYING AND SAVING THE MONEY?
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SO THAT SOME DAY YOU WILL OWN YOUR HOME AND WILL NOT BE A LOSER


44 posted on 06/09/2011 12:21:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: cashless

ROFLOL.


45 posted on 06/09/2011 12:24:36 PM PDT by iceskater (11/2/10 - the beginning of the beginning of restoration.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Anecdotal evidence is that some who could afford to pay just decided not to. Not every foreclosure is a story of job loss and illness draining savings and all that.

I personally know several people who have walked away from houses when they were having no trouble making the payments. In most of the cases the value on their home dropped to less than what they still owed and they made the decision to do a “short sale”. There are many Realtors who specialize in short sales. The Realtor arranges a sale for less than what is owed to the bank, and coerce the banks to accept less money than what they are owed.

One of my “friends” found a younger girl friend and divorced his wife of twenty seven years. To pay off his ex-wife he refinanced the house with a local credit union. A couple years later he decided that the house wasn't worth as much as he owed and had a short sale arraigned. He makes around $130,000 a year and his new wife makes around $100,000. Their payments were around $2000 a month on the house. They could have rented the place for $1500 a month, but they were told that the short sale wouldn't mess up his credit for more than a couple of years. The Credit Union took it in the shorts and my “friend” walked away with his ex-wife paid off and no payment on the debt.

Why the banks agree to arrangements like this from people who can obviously afford the payments I don't know. It is not right and it is hurting the rest of us.

My brother-in-law got reassigned to a different military base after he got back from Iraq. Unfortunately, they bought near the peak of the market so they couldn't sell their house because it is now worth half what they paid. They are living hundreds of miles away renting their house to a series of dead beats who have messed the house up. They are renting a crappier place where they now live because they can't buy another place because they owe so much on the place that was close to where he used to be assigned.

My brother and sister-in-law make a heck of a lot less than my "friend" and his new wife but they are determined to stick it out because they believe in keeping their word. They say the mess they are in is their own fault for not renting to begin with, but I remember how excited they were to buy their first house. There is a big difference in the way people look at this type of situation.

46 posted on 06/09/2011 12:25:49 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: isthisnickcool

What if the Deal was fraud? Would you still pay?
What if they lied on the Title and you wouldn’t own it at the end? Would you still pay?
What if the bank did shady dealings and stole your property even if you did pay?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-ethics-mortgage-loan-default

The deal was broken, the market NOW is not like our parent’s market. The game is on.


47 posted on 06/09/2011 12:26:36 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

You’re part of the problem ,, you rolled over for the banks and gave them a home that they had no legal claim on ... Why aren’t you fighting to get it back?


48 posted on 06/09/2011 12:40:28 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Scythian

Do whatever is legal and best for you. Nearly half of American is refusing to make unnecessary personal purchases—some to reduce revenues to government and others terrified that they won’t have incomes tomorrow.

Corporate-government interests engaged in regulating in locales against new businesses for decades. A large proportion of the country’s men were put out of adequate work over three decades of moving manufacturing to slave nations. Due to that, there are not enough sustainable revenues for contemporary fat government at all levels.

Prepare for the “austerity” programs ahead (hysterical tax hikes without expected yields, unprecedented cuts in employment, big cuts against Social Security, Medicare,...). Atlas is not shrugging. The real Joe the Plumber is, and so are his wife and kids. ...and neighbors. Currency wars, trade wars, and probably, real wars will commence.


49 posted on 06/09/2011 12:41:31 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness heard across the universe.)
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To: Scythian; thackney
Are you joking, she deserves sympathy? Hardly

Read my post. I was giving the options for spin.

50 posted on 06/09/2011 12:55:32 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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