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The ghost ships of Mothball Fleet: Incredible pictures of abandoned Navy war ships
Daily Mail ^ | June 9, 2011

Posted on 06/10/2011 7:11:07 AM PDT by nuconvert

The ghost ships of Mothball Fleet: Incredible pictures of abandoned Navy war ships taken by crew of illegal squatters

They are the Navy ships that heroically fought in World War Two, now slowly rotting in a San Francisco bay. And as they are being towed, one by one, for scrapping, in just a few years they will all be gone.

A group of illegal squatters gained unprecedented access to the vessels by rowing at night for two years past security and climbing onto the ships, sleeping secretly on board for days at a time.

And as these stunning images show, their efforts were certainly worth it.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: abandonednavyships; ghostships; koreanwar; navy; ships; ussiowa; vietnam; wwii
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1 posted on 06/10/2011 7:11:09 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

More photos Here....

http://scotthaefner.com/beyond/mothball-fleet-ghost-ships/


2 posted on 06/10/2011 7:14:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Good piece, great pics..I wish they hadn’t used the word “squatters”..it conveys the wrong idea. These people wanted to take pics, capture history before it dissappears..that was their sole motive...not “squatting” as we usually understand the term.


3 posted on 06/10/2011 7:14:36 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: nuconvert

I hope the Iowa has been better maintained. Have they foudn a home for her yet?


4 posted on 06/10/2011 7:17:18 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: nuconvert

Someone will get fired over this.


5 posted on 06/10/2011 7:18:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: nuconvert

Interesting article, thanks for posting.
I was fortunate enough to visit Normandy 6 years ago. For me, one of the best parts was the fact that there were actually pieces of what was used to build Mulberry Harbor still sitting on the beach at Arromanches. There’s something about being able to see and touch a piece of history that fascinates me. Exploring the German bunkers was pretty cool, too.


6 posted on 06/10/2011 7:21:27 AM PDT by SoKatt ("Change" is not a strategy!)
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To: nuconvert

Bump


7 posted on 06/10/2011 7:21:35 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: nuconvert

First of all, the squatters are trespassing. These ships have been decommissioned by the US Navy awaiting to be either sold for scrap or prepared to be sunk as artificial reefs.

I have no problem of the US Navy scraping decommissioned ships. As for sinking these ships in the ocean as reefs; as long as they are cleaned of toxic waste, fuel, and ammo, go to it with a vengeance.


8 posted on 06/10/2011 7:22:05 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: nuconvert
For a moment I thought these were pictures of Obama’s dreams for our future.
9 posted on 06/10/2011 7:23:52 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: nuconvert
My ship, USS Sylvania, is located on the East coast version at the James River Reserve Fleet facility. I've spoken with one of the managers there about the possibility of going aboard her one last time and was basically told ain't no way, ain't no how.

I'd give my eyeteeth to go aboard the old girl one more time.


10 posted on 06/10/2011 7:25:02 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: DownInFlames

Probably selling the scrap to one of our enemies to make weapons against the US. Ironic.


11 posted on 06/10/2011 7:27:16 AM PDT by AGreatPer (May 21 end of world canceled, Friday nights at Walter Reed continues)
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To: nuconvert

I domn’t approve of this but man they got some beautiful phjotos

Why didn’t they just ASK if they could go on the ships and take photos????

Since their faces are clearly visible- they are now asking for trouble.

I wonder what camera’s they used? Those were some incredible quality photos


12 posted on 06/10/2011 7:27:57 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: ken5050

Sounds like funding for preservation is progressing, but slowly.
Here’s more info ...
http://www.battleshipiowa.org/


13 posted on 06/10/2011 7:28:13 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Someone will get fired over this.

These two clowns should be prosecuted.

14 posted on 06/10/2011 7:29:03 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Axeslinger

Probably due to liability concerns..


15 posted on 06/10/2011 7:31:15 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: ken5050

Probably, and I don’t inherently disagree. But it didn’t lessen my disappointment...


16 posted on 06/10/2011 7:32:57 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: nuconvert

Thanks. I remember in the 80’s the USN had a project for rocket boosted shells from BBs. Tests had successfully shown 50+ mile range, and they expected to get to 100+miles, which would put about 60% of the world’s population/cities within range. Every time I read about using a $ 1 million cruise missile to take out a truck, I wish we had kept one of the BBs on active duty. I remember the last time a BB fired for real, it was the NJ off the Lebanese coast, after the Marines were killed by a suicide bomber..


17 posted on 06/10/2011 7:35:17 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Axeslinger

I remember the show “You Asked For It” going up the Hudson to where the WWII fleet was mothballed. Hundreds of ships. Row by row. PT boats. Destroyers. Subs.


18 posted on 06/10/2011 7:35:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Axeslinger

I remember the show “You Asked For It” going up the Hudson to where the WWII fleet was mothballed. Hundreds of ships. Row by row. PT boats. Destroyers. Subs.


19 posted on 06/10/2011 7:35:47 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Mr. K
Why didn’t they just ASK if they could go on the ships and take photos????

Because they'd have been told no. Bureaucrats' first reaction to anything is to say "NO." Second it would have alerted the "authorities" and would have made it harder to get in and take the pictures. Third, Whose ships are they anyway? It was TAXPAYER money that paid for them, and since the government is throwing them out, it seems reasonable that the TAXPAYERS at least get a look at them.

20 posted on 06/10/2011 7:36:03 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Axeslinger

I understand your frustration..but I can’t disagree with the decision..


21 posted on 06/10/2011 7:36:43 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Truth29

They are.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 7:48:03 AM PDT by notatard?
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To: nuconvert
The odd thought did occur to me that pictures like this could be used to make the Navy look like it's falling apart in the foreign press. The past glory of American power and other such bull with the photos taken out of context. A similar thing occurred with the old Soviet Navy with the critical difference being that some of their rusting ships were supposed to still be active.
23 posted on 06/10/2011 7:50:22 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: AGreatPer

Most old ships wind up in Pakistan to be broken up.

http://scrapshipbreaking.com/2011/05/08/gadani-ship-breaking-yard-pakistan/


24 posted on 06/10/2011 7:51:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: dog breath

“The odd thought did occur to me that pictures like this could be used to make the Navy look like it’s falling apart in the foreign press”

Yeah, like N. Korea & Iran. So what?


25 posted on 06/10/2011 7:55:39 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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PING


26 posted on 06/10/2011 7:56:14 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ken5050; Axeslinger

These ships are covered head-to-toe in asbestos. Probably one of the main reasons they don’t allow just anyone to take a tour of them.


27 posted on 06/10/2011 8:01:07 AM PDT by lwd
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To: DownInFlames

Who cares if they are trespassing? Thats what people do if a policy is unreasonable.

If a legitimate photography crew wanted to sign a release, and spend a few nights out there, taking photos, telling us a little bit about the final disposition of a piece of history,,, whats the freakin harm?
If a vet wants to visit them,, same deal.

The main argument against it is likely a pussified version of “safety concerns” that infects every aspect of our society now. I’m glad they trespassed,, and i even hope they had some fun. Good photos.
It’s not like there are any huge secrets out there.

As for sinking them,, this is more politically correct lunacy. Each one of those cargo vessels is easily worth 5 million on scrap value. We sink them to make a REEF? If we aren’t sinking them as a target in a legitimate military exercise or test, we are essentially throwing 12 to 15 bricks of solid gold into the deep. It’s a waste of taxpayer dollars. And that does not count the extreme amounts of money spent to make them epa safe before they are sunk as reefs.


28 posted on 06/10/2011 8:01:31 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ken5050
Who cares what they wanted to do? It is illegal, and if they got seriously injured b/c of their own stupidity, chances are they'd be suing (us, the taxpayers) for millions.
29 posted on 06/10/2011 8:03:34 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: ken5050

The last I heard...no. I was glad San Francisco didn’t work out, because they don’t deserve the Iowa. I know it wouldn’t make sense, but I wish Mississippi or Alabama, or even Texas, would take her.

It’s pretty damn sad to see the Iowa in that state. I had some great times on that ship.


30 posted on 06/10/2011 8:04:35 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: nuconvert

ONe way to get on these ships — work for a military museum.

I was working for the Beale AFB Museum and we were given permission to go aboard one of the ships that was being ready to be sunk for an artificial reef.

We got a full day to remove any ‘artifacts’ we wanted to restore/display etc.

Can’t remember the name of the ship, only that it was a tender of some type.


31 posted on 06/10/2011 8:05:26 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Mr. K

“Why didn’t they just ASK if they could go on the ships and take photos????”

Because they would say no,, like good bureaucrats do. And then justify it with reasons that are actually designed to cover their reflexive refusal.

And if i was on a jury, i’d still vote not guilty even with the photos. After all, i saw Luke Sky walker blow up the death star too. And the government is in bad need of some pokes in the eye. They need to start losing some cases.


32 posted on 06/10/2011 8:07:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ken5050

Nope, the last time was Desert Storm. Also the last War with Bob Hope.


33 posted on 06/10/2011 8:11:25 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

In Desert Storm, she launched Tomahawks..I don’t think she fird her guns. I could be wrong.


34 posted on 06/10/2011 8:14:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Sporke

With the swollen Mississippi, could the Iowa make it upstream to her namesake state?


35 posted on 06/10/2011 8:15:44 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: ken5050

Also Desert Storm was the last war with a US Phantom II,, and even one liberty ship carried a load!


36 posted on 06/10/2011 8:17:58 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ken5050

Yes,, they fired onto the beach defenses in Kuwait.


37 posted on 06/10/2011 8:22:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: nuconvert
I see all sorts of young people entering abandoned factories and what-not and then posting what they've found on the Internet.

My take is that they are exploring the rot to see in what became of American greatness. There is a great sense of something lost. Look at these ships, we no long have the shipyards and factories capable of producing them.

Here is another link to what became of one of the greatest machine tool plants the world ever knew - Warner & Swasey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA4d8EuPPc

38 posted on 06/10/2011 8:25:21 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: nuconvert

what happens to the equipment like the radar screen /electronics, chairs ect?

can people buy those?


39 posted on 06/10/2011 8:28:53 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: nuconvert

bttt


40 posted on 06/10/2011 8:31:03 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: ken5050
I remember in the 80’s the USN had a project for rocket boosted shells from BBs. Tests had successfully shown 50+ mile range, and they expected to get to 100+miles, which would put about 60% of the world’s population/cities within range. Every time I read about using a $ 1 million cruise missile to take out a truck, I wish we had kept one of the BBs on active duty.

That was before GPS guidance technology was developed. Now, it could make a phenominal, cost effective weapon.

BTW, the British used monitors during WW-II, whereby turrets were removed from decommissioned battleships and placed on unarmored hulls for coastal bombardment. That would greatly reduce operational costs and crew requirements!

41 posted on 06/10/2011 8:34:20 AM PDT by catman67
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To: Axeslinger

I’d like to take this on one last cruise up to Alaska. I’d rename it THE KING CRAB and go out and run over Jonathan Hillstrand’s marking bouys just to see the look on his face on tv next season.


42 posted on 06/10/2011 8:38:14 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: lwd

Like she didn’t have asbestos when I spent 2.5 years aboard?


43 posted on 06/10/2011 8:43:11 AM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: DesertRhino
Because they would say no,, like good bureaucrats do.

I got a great tour of the USS Missouri last year at Pearl Harbor. The retired Naval Officer who gave the tour mentioned that there were spaces in the ship that they, themselves were not permitted to enter. I asked who it was who determines and polices this and he said it was the EPA. Furthermore they are subject to unannounced spot inspections by the EPA, and anyone found in those spaces will be walked off the ship and told never to return.

In bureaucrat wisdom a little asbestos is fine for American kids to live with for months at a time, but not so much for tourists for a few minutes.

44 posted on 06/10/2011 8:43:41 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Thanks. Sure is a shame to see them deteriorate into nothing.


45 posted on 06/10/2011 8:47:54 AM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: nuconvert
Here's another link to someone who got aboard legally;

http://www.tendertale.com/tenders/132/132-2.html

Just look at the machine tools left aboard!

46 posted on 06/10/2011 8:52:07 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: ken5050; nuconvert

>>> the last time a BB fired for real, it was the NJ off the Lebanese coast, after the Marines were killed by a suicide bomber.

No the last time a BB fired for real, something like 40 US sailors were smashed into jello. The same ship, USS Iowa. The turret was never repaired.

Even without their untrustworthy big guns I always thought the fast battleships would have made a good cruise missile barrier for the carriers. Positioned between the carrier and the threat to soak up the incoming missiles the defense failed to shoot down, their thick armor could shrug off any non-nuclear hits. The ships needed too many sailors to operate though.


47 posted on 06/10/2011 8:55:58 AM PDT by tlb
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To: DesertRhino

First of all, the article is talking about squatters on these ships. That is trespassing.

Second, artificial reefs creates habitats for sea life and creates jobs both in the ship preparation and sport fishing/scuba diving industry.

Saw a great program regarding the sinking of the Orensky, a post WWII/Vietnam era carrier.


48 posted on 06/10/2011 8:57:59 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: tlb
BBs screening for carriers is not a good idea.

The best of the BBs were 30-35 knot max max ships. Our nuclear carriers can haul at 50+knots. (Oops now that I told you, I'll have to kill you.)

Besides, the main function of escort vessels is radar and AA and today's cruise missiles can definitely pick out a carrier in a crowd.

What the New Jersey and the Iowa could have done is subdue Libya at much less cost than the cruise missiles, smart bombs, and dumb bombs our NATO allies are now running out of. Hell, with modern fire control a couple of 8-inch cruisers could save Misrata by accurate counter-battery fire.

49 posted on 06/10/2011 9:07:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. Bit too early to start shooting.)
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To: tlb
No the last time a BB fired for real, something like 40 US sailors were smashed into jello.

Last round was fired 6 months later.
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/totalwar/usnIowa.html

The turret was never repaired.

According to USS Iowa veteran's groups, what is left to complete the repairs is the installation of some equipment that has already been sourced and is stored on the Iowa.

50 posted on 06/10/2011 9:32:04 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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