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Penn & Teller: Dalai Lama and Tibet (Dalai Lama, not quite the saint).
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Posted on 06/10/2011 9:20:15 AM PDT by Sonny M

Even though Penn and Teller are atheists, they don't spare any religion, or religious figures, and the Dalai Lama is no different, also a nice summery of why no one should be surprised that the Dalai Lama is a marxist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEOSCIOnrs


TOPICS: Education; History; Reference; Religion
KEYWORDS: buddhism; dalailama; hypocritical; tibet
Something folks should know, that the idiot liberals who chant free tibet all the time don't know, or care to.....
1 posted on 06/10/2011 9:20:20 AM PDT by Sonny M
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To: Sonny M
The Dalai Lama on Marxism

"I was very young when I first heard the word communist. The 13th Dalai Lama had left a testament that I read. Also, some of the monks who were helping my studies had been in monasteries with Mongolians. They had talked about the destruction that had taken place since the communists came to Mongolia. We did not know anything about Marxist ideology. But we all feared destruction and thought of communists with terror. It was only when I went to China in 1954-55 that I actually studied Marxist ideology and learned the history of the Chinese revolution. Once I understood Marxism, my attitude change completely. I was so attracted to Marxism, I even expressed my wish to become a Communist Party member."

"Tibet at that time was very, very backward. The ruling class did not seem to care, and there was much inequality. Marxism talked about an equal and just distribution of wealth. I was very much in favor of this. Then there was the concept of self-creation. Marxism talked about self-reliance, without depending on a creator or a God. That was very attractive. I had tried to some things for my people, but I did not have enough time. I still think that if a genuine communist movement had come to Tibet, there would have been much benefit to the people."

(Time Magazine; "Exile;" October 4, 1999; pp. 78,79.)

2 posted on 06/10/2011 9:33:20 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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His version of marxism, that he learned, would be the Maoist (he specified that he wasn't a Leninist)......Maoism is probably the most brutal of all of them.

Its like slavery, on steroids.....lots and lots of steroids.

3 posted on 06/10/2011 9:39:29 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

Common sense. When you find Richard Gere, Steven Seagal and the Beastie Boys unified around a cause, you can be absolutely certain the cause, at its root, is stone cold evil.


4 posted on 06/10/2011 9:44:54 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Sonny M

Did the Dalai learn anything about the ‘cultural revolution’ and the 70 million deaths?


5 posted on 06/10/2011 9:55:36 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: mjp
"Marxism talked about self-reliance, without depending on a creator or a God. That was very attractive."

This is hard to square with other things the Dalai Lama has said, such as his description of how, when visiting with Mao at the age of 19, he was shocked by the negative statements Mao made concerning religion.

6 posted on 06/10/2011 9:57:30 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Sonny M
Even though Penn and Teller are atheists, they don't spare any religion, or religious figures,

Even though? Huh?

7 posted on 06/10/2011 10:09:08 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: griswold3
Did the Dalai learn anything about the ‘cultural revolution’ and the 70 million deaths?

Based on what he said, No.

Most marxists have the typical "if I was in charge, it would be different", or "It hasn't been given a real chance", or some other b.s. to explain away the failure.

Keep in mind, what he probably wants is a theocratic version of maoist marxism, thats not a nice peaceful loving thing, thats slavery that owns, body, mind and soul (and if he has his way, probably your afterlives).

8 posted on 06/10/2011 10:10:09 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: SoothingDave
Even though? Huh?

Most western style "atheists", never ever attack religious figures outside of Christianity, mostly because the so called atheists here, are just anti-christian. When was the last time Bill Maher talked about hinduism, buddhism or shintoism ?

I still laugh when I remember Bill Maher, mr. atheist actually finding Penn and Teller offensive due to their religious views.......LOL

9 posted on 06/10/2011 10:16:08 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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Marxists are the angry non-ruling class wanting to become the ruling class. That’s all. They do not seek equality and freedom for all. They seek to become the rulers, and their anger makes them brutal dictators.


10 posted on 06/10/2011 10:17:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Sonny M

This is explains the Hollywood Lefties like Richard Gere who act all down with “peace” and then embrace the horrific violence of communism/maoism. Doesn’t compute.


11 posted on 06/10/2011 10:20:50 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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Richard Gere practises Zen Buddhism, which is NOT what the Dalai Lama was practicing. Gere is also an anti-american gullible idiot, who would swallow horse manure if he was told that Americans hate it, and that its environmentally friendly.

If one judges the dalai lamas by their words, then they are saints,if one judges by the actions, then the word monsters come to mind.

12 posted on 06/10/2011 10:30:26 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
Its like slavery, on steroids and a whole lot of meth.
13 posted on 06/10/2011 10:55:06 AM PDT by Noumenon ("One man with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sonny M

Not to nitpick but I believe the Albanian version was even more brutal as they cut ties with China for not being as hard lined as the Albanian regime.


14 posted on 06/10/2011 11:14:44 AM PDT by JMS
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To: Sonny M

Richard Gere would do something with gerbils if he though that conservative Americans would disapprove.


15 posted on 06/10/2011 11:39:25 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: JMS
Not to nitpick but I believe the Albanian version was even more brutal as they cut ties with China for not being as hard lined as the Albanian regime.

I just remembered a couple of "jokes" an Albanian I knew told me a few years back.

"What we do to our friends, makes our enemies cry, what we do to our enemies....they can no longer cry."

His other line was about brutality....."We know brutal, we do everything with brutality, we even drink our wine with the brutality that you reserve for your common criminals".

16 posted on 06/10/2011 11:53:48 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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Agreed - I read a year or so ago when the Dalai Lama said he believed in socialism and didn’t like capitalism...now we find out he’s a hard-core Maoist. There’s no excuse not to know what that means - unless this is a very stupid man, which he may well be, he is not at all what his image appears to be. This is someone who has no respect for freedom or human rights — he rejects God and worships militant power to create & enforce “social justice.” Obama had it right when he had this dude ushered out the back door (albeit not for the right reason)


17 posted on 06/10/2011 1:11:43 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sonny M
You got me going on watching Penn and Teller videos. They are interesting. A lot depends on whose ox is being gored. Their shows are easy to enjoy when Penn is saying “bullshit” to some group, or idea, with which you disagree. It's not so much fun when he is saying “bullshit” to something that you believe.

As creators of their video clips, they have all the power. To some degree, they abuse their power. But not so much so as does 60 minutes, 20/20, ABC news, CNN, Newsweek, CBS news, CNN, etc.

Caveat Emptor, even when it's free.

They seem to be members of the atheist right, along with Ayn Rand. I think this country was founded by the religious right. Ronald Reagan was a recent modern proponent of the religious right. By right, I mean individual rights, limited government, and free (at least relatively free) markets. In this context at least, religious means Judeo-Christian.

To me, the religious right is the branch of western civilization that works best and has the most merit. The oposing pole is the atheist left - Marxism, communism. There is also the religious left of a supreme religious state. I think this is the goal of Islam.

18 posted on 06/10/2011 4:48:48 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Sonny M
You got me going on watching Penn and Teller videos. They are interesting. A lot depends on whose ox is being gored. Their shows are easy to enjoy when Penn is saying “bullshit” to some group, or idea, with which you disagree. It's not so much fun when he is saying “bullshit” to something that you believe.

As creators of their video clips, they have all the power. To some degree, they abuse their power. But not so much so as does 60 minutes, 20/20, ABC news, CNN, Newsweek, CBS news, CNN, etc.

Caveat Emptor, even when it's free.

They seem to be members of the atheist right, along with Ayn Rand. I think this country was founded by the religious right. Ronald Reagan was a recent modern proponent of the religious right. By right, I mean individual rights, limited government, and free (at least relatively free) markets. In this context at least, religious means Judeo-Christian.

To me, the religious right is the branch of western civilization that works best and has the most merit. The oposing pole is the atheist left - Marxism, communism. There is also the religious left of a supreme religious state. I think this is the goal of Islam.

19 posted on 06/10/2011 5:02:16 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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Penn Jilette (the one who talks) is a hardcore libertarian. He considers himself more socially liberal then any liberal, and more economic conservative then any conservative.

I'm mixed on them, but will give them credit, in that they don't push an agenda as much as they attack agendas.

Interestingly enough, Glen Beck actually confused Penn Jilette with being an example of a hollywood conservative (he's not), so it kind of shows what some of his views range to and from.

He is very hostile to all religions. I use him as an example of what a real atheist looks as opposed to people who are simply anti-christian (to put this in perspective, numerous other atheists actually find them offensive in regards to their views about and presentation of other religions....that tells you everything you need to know about secularists in the US). BTW, their view on marriage, is that the government should not be involved in it, period, not a popular view with any one, at all.

Sidenote: Penn Jilette, did mention he is not allowed to trash 2 religions, one is islam, due to fear for his own family, and also because the executives at showtime, fear reprisal against themselves and their families (he actually said this point blank, no double talk, he was pretty clear). The other is the church of scientology, due to a business arrangement showtime has with that church. I have no idea what that arrangement is, and he didn't elaborate (he also wasn't asked to).

20 posted on 06/10/2011 7:08:57 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sioux-san
There’s no excuse not to know what that means - unless this is a very stupid man, which he may well be, he is not at all what his image appears to be. This is someone who has no respect for freedom or human rights — he rejects God and worships militant power to create & enforce “social justice.” Obama had it right when he had this dude ushered out the back door (albeit not for the right reason)

I'm not entirely sure how smart he actually is. I mean, he wasn't exactly educated in the finest schools (or even the most mediocre of ones), and not exactly with tutors that are noble prize winning or anything.

He knows his own religion, he knows his own history, he probably knows to some extent other things, in regards to whats relevant to him, and he repeats the kind of stuff you hear children say on the playground or that you read in a greeting card.

Hell, take Barney the purple dinosaur, and listen to him, the stuff that purple dinosaur says, sounds more sophisticated and advanced. Never the less, in the simple minded cartoon world of progressives, this passes as wisdom.

21 posted on 06/10/2011 7:24:20 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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