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Mom to Freeze Own Eggs So Toddler Can Create Family
CBS News ^ | January 10, 2011 | David W Freeman

Posted on 06/10/2011 11:33:24 AM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby

Moms give birth to sons or daughters - pretty straightforward stuff. But when one English toddler grows up and starts a family, her child will be her own half-sibling.

At least that's the plan.

The toddler, two-year-old Mackenzie Stephens, was born without ovaries, so her 25-year-old mother, Penny Jarvis, intends to freeze her own eggs so that Mackenzie can use them someday to start her own family, the Daily Mail reported.

Jarvis, of Sheffield, England, told the paper she was devastated when she learned that Mackenzie would be infertile - the result of Turner Syndrome, a female-only genetic disorder that affects about one in 2,000 girls.

"She has three sisters and I couldn't imagine her growing up and watching them all have children while she couldn't have any of her own," Jarvis said. "Obviously, every mother wants to be a grandmother someday - that's what they dream of."

Jarvis said she read up on Mackenzie's condition and discovered that egg donation was a possibility.

But not everyone thinks the plan is such a great idea. Some medical ethicists say it could cause psychological problems for the mother - in this case Mackenzie - and leave her child confused about the relationship with her mother and grandmother.

"One can fully understand the sadness for a mother to discover that her little daughter suffers from Turner Syndrome, but I do not think putting her own eggs in the freezer is either a practical or an ethical solution," Josephine Quintavalle of Comment on Reproductive Ethics, told the paper. "Psychologists are already talking about the trauma of genealogical bewilderment, as egg and sperm donation and surrogacy create more and more artificial conceptions."

As for Jarvis, she seems unconcerned.

"A few people have told me they think it's a bit sick, but on the whole people have been supportive," she told the paper. "You could look at it as Mackenzie giving birth to her own brother or sister, but I choose not to see it like that."

Whatever you say, Mom. Or is it Grandma?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: eggfreezing; ethics; fertility; infertility; ivf; medicalethics

1 posted on 06/10/2011 11:33:28 AM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby
There's a very old country song, "I'm my own grandpa". It covers this nicely.

/johnny

2 posted on 06/10/2011 11:35:46 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

By doing this and all the other means of artificial insemination and embryonic implantation, aren’t we just passing on the genes of those who have problems conceiving?


3 posted on 06/10/2011 11:36:49 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

My own personal belief, in respect of the values I believe are important, the toddler, “two-year-old Mackenzie Stephens”, should, if she wants to be a mom, adopt children when she, Mackenzie, is grown-up and married. Just my opinion.


4 posted on 06/10/2011 11:37:10 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I find it odd that her mother is enabling her to basically give birth to her own half-siblings.


5 posted on 06/10/2011 11:42:16 AM PDT by RockinRight (Who is "Generic Republican" and why does he poll so much better against Obama than anyone else?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
By doing this and all the other means of artificial insemination and embryonic implantation, aren’t we just passing on the genes of those who have problems conceiving?

The problem is caused by a female having just one X chromosome.

6 posted on 06/10/2011 11:42:42 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Wuli

Agreed.

For that matter, donor eggs from one of her SISTERS makes more sense genetically than from her mother as they’d contain both her father’s and mother’s genes.


7 posted on 06/10/2011 11:43:36 AM PDT by RockinRight (Who is "Generic Republican" and why does he poll so much better against Obama than anyone else?)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

...incest by Proxy ...!?!


8 posted on 06/10/2011 11:44:33 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: Paleo Conservative; Blood of Tyrants

Turner Syndrome basically is just that. Males are “XY” and females “XX” but Turners kids are “XO” meaning the chromosome from one parent is missing. It’s not “inherited” per se, so much as being caused by an errant cell division by one of the parents’ reproductive systems.

I can’t recall (since I’m not a doctor) whether it’s the sperm or egg that is usually the faulty cell.


9 posted on 06/10/2011 11:45:36 AM PDT by RockinRight (Who is "Generic Republican" and why does he poll so much better against Obama than anyone else?)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The article doesnt explain how they found out this 2 yo was infertile

What on earth type of test or what were they looking for in the body of a toddler when they found or didnt find the ovaries ???

What was wrong with her ???


10 posted on 06/10/2011 11:47:09 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

That, and why does her mother, at 25, have a different last name from her own child and also has three other children?


11 posted on 06/10/2011 11:50:04 AM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

I’m my own Grandpa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0s5Kn9QXtU


12 posted on 06/10/2011 11:53:48 AM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Turner’s Syndrome has other outward symptoms that would have prompted them to do genetic tests to find the problem, and perhaps other examinations.

A neighbor of mine growing up had this condition.


13 posted on 06/10/2011 11:54:21 AM PDT by RockinRight (Who is "Generic Republican" and why does he poll so much better against Obama than anyone else?)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

I’d agree that it’s ethically wrong. As to mom,child having different last name, mom may never have changed her maiden name, but chooses to have the children’s last name after dad. [You know, there are women with careers who use their name in business and a change in last name can cause their clients not to find them. Doctors/Lawyers, etc. I know one family where this is the case. I’m not saying that’s the case here, but it does happen.]


14 posted on 06/10/2011 11:59:37 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001417/

Turner syndrome
Bonnevie-Ullrich syndrome; Gonadal dysgenesis; Monosomy X

Last reviewed: October 14, 2009.

Turner syndrome is a genetic condition in which a female does not have the usual pair of two X chromosomes.
Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Humans have 46 chromosomes. Chromosomes contain all of your genes and DNA, the building blocks of the body. Two of these chromosomes, the sex chromosomes, determine if you become a boy or a girl. Females normally have two of the same sex chromosomes, written as XX. Males have an X and a Y chromosome (written as XY).

In Turner syndrome, cells are missing all or part of an X chromosome. The condition only occurs in females. Most commonly, the female patient has only one X chromosome. Others may have two X chromosomes, but one of them is incomplete. Sometimes, a female has some cells with two X chromosomes, but other cells have only one.

Turner syndrome occurs in about 1 out of 2,000 live births.
Symptoms

Possible symptoms in young infants include:

*Swollen hands and feet
*Wide and webbed neck

A combination of the following symptoms may be seen in older females:

*Absent or incomplete development at puberty, including sparse pubic hair and small breasts
*Broad, flat chest shaped like a shield
*Drooping eyelids
*Dry eyes
*Infertility
*No periods (absent menstruation)
*Short height
*Vaginal dryness, can lead to painful intercourse


15 posted on 06/10/2011 12:07:23 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: RockinRight

I want to clone myself and then give birth to me (not really).


16 posted on 06/10/2011 12:09:36 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In this case, definitely. From what I’ve learned from research with my daughter, Turners Syndrome is chromosomal and hereditary.

It would do well to let a donor donate her eggs.


17 posted on 06/10/2011 12:10:49 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Wuli; TheDingoAteMyBaby; Tennessee Nana; RockinRight; beaversmom
Considering the health issues that this girl will likely have as a result of her mutation I think that carrying a child would not be a wise decision.

A quick read on this syndrome shows that she may end up with: high blood pressure, kidney disease, thyroid problems, diabetes , cataracts and weight problems.

Any one of these (absent cataracts) can put the life of the woman an/or the baby at risk.

To me the possible confusion of the child growing up is minor to the issue of the risk of lives.

18 posted on 06/10/2011 12:13:27 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: beaversmom

I think someone will do that one day. Why not you? :)


19 posted on 06/10/2011 12:21:25 PM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Are they actually expecting the child someday to undergo in vitro fertilization and carry the child herself?

Can any female without ovaries actually have a pregnancy? Aren’t the ovaries needed for a myriad of other hormonal tasks during this process?

I conclude that they are talking about a third party surrogate mother—someday.


20 posted on 06/10/2011 12:23:25 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’m sure all of the bureaucrats at Obama’s new Ministry of Health and Truth would agree with you.


21 posted on 06/10/2011 12:24:54 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Infertility isn’t necessarily related to a genetic problem. Often it’s just related to a woman’s advanced age. Though it sounds like this Turner Syndrome carries a host of other issues.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 12:30:09 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: Pontiac

“To me the possible confusion of the child growing up is minor to the issue of the risk of lives.”

My major objection is not the confusion for the child about the artificiality of their birth and whose a “parent” and who is not.

I just think the motivations for the use of many artificial pregnancy means are simply selfish and, in addition, ignore the millions of orphan children already born whose already existent lives can be continually hurt or vastly improved, if only they could be adopted. By those two measures, I question the “self-interest” of the choice to use certain artificial pregnancy means instead of adopting. That’s just me and I understand others rationally disagree.


23 posted on 06/10/2011 12:57:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: RockinRight

Well, that’s your argument.

My sentiments are that she should adopt, period. I know others can reasonably disagree. I always seem to question whether or not people who use extreme artificial means to achieve a pregnancy are operating out of the best motivations, or are simply selfish.


24 posted on 06/10/2011 1:02:23 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
I just think the motivations for the use of many artificial pregnancy means are simply selfish and, in addition, ignore the millions of orphan children already born whose already existent lives can be continually hurt or vastly improved, if only they could be adopted.

One could easily apply that logic to natural pregnancy. There will always be more orphans in the world than there are families to adopt them. In this country if you include children in need of foster care the numbers are ridiculous.

All procreation is in some way a selfish act; a desire to continue your family line in to the future beyond yourself.

It is the most natural thing in the world this desire or need to procreate. I think it is unfair to tell a person with the means to seek technological assistance to conceive that they are selfish in doing so.

If a person opens their heart and their home to an orphan I applaud them however I would not fault someone from do whatever they want with their money if they instead seek to have a child by artificial means.

But in this case, unless technology changes the outlook, it would likely be to risky for this individual to carry a baby.

25 posted on 06/10/2011 1:55:58 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Wuli

I thought Mom was making a gift to her daughter of eggs should she need them in the future. If she were to choose the surrugate route she will already have the donor eggs (reducing the cost of the process), and some familial connection. Sounds like her siblings are too young to do this for her now.

Although if the condition is hereditary and not spontaneous, perhaps she should seek out unrelated eggs.

And to the other poster, my kids have my husband’s last name, not mine. Not all women change their last names upon marriage. Wasn’t a political statement, just wasn’t interested in doing it.


26 posted on 06/10/2011 1:56:27 PM PDT by YankeeGirl
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To: gemoftheocean

Yes, many married women do keep their maiden names or at least do so in professional dealings. I just noticed there was no mention of a father in the article.


27 posted on 06/10/2011 2:01:43 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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There is so much wrong here I can't begin. A perfect illustration of what happens when society divorces "procreation" from "normal family" and "Mother Nature". And divorces "sex" from "lifelong marriage". Just because Science CAN do something doesn't mean it's right or moral to do so. Science and technology when not guided by moral principles (real moral principles, not whatever people think up in their minds), leads to - well, the kinds of headlines we see very often. Any human endeavor when not guided by moral principles leads to destruction and evil. That's why God has given us moral principles to use as our guiding light.

I will be taking a leave of absence from pinging for a while. I love you all.

28 posted on 06/10/2011 2:19:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I will pray that when this little girl grows up she ignores those eggs and is as horrified as we are at the prospect of using them.


29 posted on 06/10/2011 2:53:45 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Pontiac

I know what you say and I know your view is rational. I respect your opinion, while I humbly disagree with it, FOR MYSELF, as in MY VIEW AND MY VIEW ALONE, the best unselfish and moral choice. To each his/her own.


30 posted on 06/10/2011 2:54:49 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: YankeeGirl; Pontiac

You two are the only ones on this thread that I agree with so far.

The mother is giving a gift to her child. If I were able and if it were necessary, I’d do the same thing for my daughter. And I’d give the gift selflessly and completely. The daughter has a choice whether or not to accept the gift when she’s an adult. She may choose not to, but she may be happy that she has the option.

In the end, I don’t think that it’s any of my business what these people do to procreate. And i certainty don’t think that it’s “sick” any more than it’s “sick” for one sister to donate eggs to another.

A couple of months ago, my own daughter suffered a horrible miscarriage. At the time, there were fears that she’d not be able to have her own children. This is a young woman who’s wanted nothing more than to have babies. To be a mom. At the time, her aunt told her that she’d donate if necessary. It turns out that it probably won’t be, but it was a serious comfort to my daughter to know that she had options and lessened her fear and pain considerably. (I’d have volunteered myself, but it’s physically not possible.)

I never understood why many pro-family FReepers who love life so much are so negative to good people who want to make babies. And what about liberty? The freedom to choose how to live one’s own life?


31 posted on 06/10/2011 3:10:55 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: Marie

I agree with you. I wish the best for your daughter.


32 posted on 06/10/2011 4:32:08 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: beaversmom

If there’s no ovaries, there’s no female cycle, no lining for the egg to implant to.

How do they expect an pregnancy to *take* in that case?


33 posted on 06/10/2011 6:12:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Hormone therapy and progesterone shots will thicken the lining of the uterus and make it hospitable for implantation via artificial insemination or IVF. Or, she’ll have one of her sisters be the surrogate.


34 posted on 06/10/2011 6:15:13 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: rintense

If she can’t have her own because of this condition, I don’t see the point of trying.

There is nothing so special about being pregnant that it’s worth going through that to have someone else’s baby.


35 posted on 06/10/2011 6:31:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Son, I’m putting my balls on ice in case you need them in the future.


36 posted on 06/10/2011 7:14:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: samiam1972
Are not fertilized eggs often discarded because many are inseminated but only one will actually be needed? Also if too many implant are the ones not wanted often are murdered off?
37 posted on 06/11/2011 1:52:25 AM PDT by Bellflower (Isa 32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said [to be] bountiful.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks TheDingoAteMyBaby.
infertile - the result of Turner Syndrome
and infertility is the least of this child's future problems.


38 posted on 06/11/2011 7:56:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Tennessee Nana
the child has turner's syndrome, a chromosome problem. Most of these girls are not retarded, but they are usually infertile. They are often diagnosed if the mom does amniocentesis before birth but they also can be detected by physical examination due to swollen legs or web neck or because they are a bit short. LINK

as a Catholic, I oppose IVF, but actually, the mom is performing an act of charity for her daughter here.

Of course, whether or not the eggs will be viable in 20 years is another question.

39 posted on 06/12/2011 12:55:39 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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