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Obama Can Not Think
Vanity | June 11, 2011 | Louis Foxwell

Posted on 06/11/2011 4:54:29 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell

Our expensive educational system does not teach intelligence. Most publicly educated people in the US do not know what intelligence is. A majority believe it is innate, something people are born with. In fact, intelligence is a product of classical education.

One must be taught to think. Logical or critical thinking may be learned easily or with difficulty but it is a learned skill. Mathematics and classical philosophy teach thinking skills. Thinking is the antithesis of indoctrination. Teaching people how to think is categorically the opposite of teaching them what to think.

Obama has not learned how to think, only what to think. This is what makes him doctrinaire and ideological, he has mastered a limited set of ideas and principles that he applies universally in all circumstances. He has the same set of responses to every condition. He is unable to differentiate between a variety of situations and evaluate them individually. His is a one size fits all mind.

Obama's dogged insistence on applying one set of principles to every situation is viewed by a preponderance of people as intellectual rigor. For those who do not have a clue about the true nature of intelligence this makes perfect sense. It is not about thinking. It is about learning the correct response and applying it with all diligence and discipline. That is the fundamental discipline of socialism.

At its core socialism is a one size fits all political discipline. The answers have all been worked out. Learning them and applying them rigidly is the work of the true believer. Obama is, by any measure, a true believer, not an intellectual.


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1 posted on 06/11/2011 4:54:31 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
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To: Louis Foxwell

You’re right that Obama is a doctrinaire ideologue, but there have been some fine thinkers with mighty little schooling.


2 posted on 06/11/2011 4:57:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
...there have been some fine thinkers with mighty little schooling.

Incorrect. Little public indoctrination, perhaps. To become a fine thinker requires substantial schooling, typically home schooling.

3 posted on 06/11/2011 5:02:49 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Now you’re using schooling in a sense that doesn’t involve a school.


4 posted on 06/11/2011 5:06:40 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

tr.v. schooled, school·ing, schools
1. To educate in or as if in a school.
2. To train or discipline:

You do not need a school to educate, train or discipline someone. Ask my mama.


5 posted on 06/11/2011 5:11:28 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Obama is, by any measure, a true believer, not an intellectual.”

Thank goodness someone put it out there!

Progressives will always consider their fellow travellers to be brilliant intellectuals and will laud them as such. Those who reject Progressivism will always be considered knuckle-dragging morons, no matter what.

IMHO


6 posted on 06/11/2011 5:21:37 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Louis Foxwell

I wonder what kind of afterlife the Almighty has in mind for Obama?

Will his spirit return to earth in a constructive manner?

What would be fitting for the soul of a person like this though arguably I say he lost his soul a long long time ago when he became a follower of Islam.


7 posted on 06/11/2011 5:24:25 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (2012, NO MORE LIES!)
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To: 9YearLurker

“there have been some fine thinkers with mighty little schooling.”

Yup; you’re right.

The writer said that “Intelligence is a product of classical education.”

Rush left college after one semester. Einstein, I believe, left school when he was 16. What about Gates, Jobs, and Dell — I don’t think any of them attended college at all.

I worked in H.R. for several years. Our Director was obsessed with hiring degreed people, and they were the most useless, non-productive employees. The ones who came up with the most innovative ideas, and pulled the most weight, were those who started working right out of high school and learned to think on the job.

Those with degrees actually thwarted progress. In college, they learned the cool buzzwords and how to be P.C., but could not think. They were, however, entertaining. When we needed a good laugh, we could pull out one of their written documents and ridicule the atrocious syntax, grammar, and bizarre statements which were not well-thought-out by any stretch of the imagination. (”Products of classical education”, per the writer)


8 posted on 06/11/2011 5:24:39 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Louis Foxwell

Those who gush about Obomba’s being articulate and what a great orator he is are apparently deaf and dumb. He is the epitome of exceeding stupidity.


9 posted on 06/11/2011 5:25:06 AM PDT by IbJensen (Welfare: putting a cake under the sink expecting that it wont attract cockroaches.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Once a person can read and write he has the basic tools to educate himself to a great extent.


10 posted on 06/11/2011 5:26:04 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Louis Foxwell
As I age, I am aware that my ability to "think" hardens a little because without daily, physical stimuli, my mind functions on known patterns that serve well, but do not necesarilly allow the original conclusions I was once familiar.


OK ... I know what that means, anyway.

I come to FR because the many minds and wordsmiths here are what I need to stay challenged.

11 posted on 06/11/2011 5:31:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I’m one of the “most” then.

I’ve always thought of intelligence as one’s ability to learn, retain and apply knowledge. What’s the word for that?


12 posted on 06/11/2011 5:31:22 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Louis Foxwell
What do you expect?


13 posted on 06/11/2011 5:32:58 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Louis Foxwell

tagline


14 posted on 06/11/2011 5:33:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: 9YearLurker
Now you’re using schooling in a sense that doesn’t involve a school.

Correct. Schooling may not occur in a school. The only schooling done in Public schools is indoctrination. The word is both a noun and a verb.

15 posted on 06/11/2011 5:34:10 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Eye of Unk

i certainly agree with the article.
but, Obama is a bad example.
in Occidental, he was in a drug haze.
and he only had 2 semesters (according to records).

...as for the Islam, i agree.
Obama couldn’t even remember the correct year in England, even AFTER he asked for the correct DAY.

clearly, he doesn’t have a world class memory.

Yet in front of a Times reporter, he recited the Muslim call to prayer, as reported, flawlessly with perfect accent.
FOURTY YEARS after he was in the Indonesian school he was registered as a Muslim student at.

...i think it is impossible for him to remember it flawlessly after 40 years, without refreshers...
and, that call to prayer includes the Muslim “profession of faith”. “There is no god but Allah, and Mohammad is his messenger”.
...what TRUE Christian, would proudly recite that ?

and who could remember it perfectly after 40 years without practice ?


16 posted on 06/11/2011 5:34:47 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Do ya think?


17 posted on 06/11/2011 5:34:56 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Nickname

18 posted on 06/11/2011 5:35:21 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: MayflowerMadam; Louis Foxwell

Yes, I think you and Louis and I may all be in agreement.

There is very little rigorous study in how to think with most modern education. One might think a good law school would provide such, but otherwise we’ve little evidence that Obama was exposed to any education of substance.

People generally need to exercise their brains in the development of their intellect, and math and philosophy are among the best studies for intellectual development. But we probably all know people who are self-taught to good effect in either a classical sense—or in their understanding and mastery of the world around them.


19 posted on 06/11/2011 5:36:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Elendur

excuse me,
and he only had 2 semesters (according to records),
at COLUMBIA. fall 82 and spring 83.

(in 1981 he was in Pakistan... with the son of a future leading Muslim politician.)


20 posted on 06/11/2011 5:36:45 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: varmintman

I agree.


21 posted on 06/11/2011 5:37:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Louis Foxwell

Thanks for a provocative post. I’ve always said that part of what bothers me about Obama is his Manichean world view - he views himself and his beliefs as on the side of purely good, and those who oppose him or his ideas aren’t just mistaken, they are EVIL. Look at his palpable disdain and hatred towards those who have a different view - I think we’re on the same wavelength. Any idea that this guy is some sort of thinker or intellect is ridiculous. He’s a credentialed true believer, and a dangerous one.


22 posted on 06/11/2011 5:38:18 AM PDT by rockvillem
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To: Elendur
"and who could remember it perfectly after 40 years without practice ?"

Most anybody.

I can still remember some of the satire from 60's MAD Magazine word for word and I only read it.

23 posted on 06/11/2011 5:38:42 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Daffynition

I think all mine came from misapplying knowledge.


24 posted on 06/11/2011 5:39:02 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Nickname
I’ve always thought of intelligence as one’s ability to learn, retain and apply knowledge. What’s the word for that?

The word for that is indoctrinated. Intelligence is the ability to evaluate the knowledge offered by others.

Learning quantum mechanics involves more than being able to regurgitate principles. It also involves understanding the intellectual process that led to the development of quantum mechanics.

25 posted on 06/11/2011 5:41:13 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Yes, you are of course right about the different uses of the word ‘school’.

But your original piece, with “One must be taught to think”, implies something other than self-teaching. Your further comment clarifies your thinking, if you will.

Again, I believe we are in agreement.


26 posted on 06/11/2011 5:41:28 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Louis Foxwell

This is very well written

You should submit this to every single media and news outlet you can

Rush, Hannity, and a thousand more


27 posted on 06/11/2011 5:41:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Nickname
“I’ve always thought of intelligence as one’s ability to learn, retain and apply knowledge. What’s the word for that?”

You are on the right track. The author of the article confuses intelligence with wisdom. As you suggest, intelligence is primarily an attribute that one is born with. Naturally, exercise (study)can enhance it. Intelligence is sort of akin to speed. Speed (either you have it or you don't) is something you are born with but can be enhance a certain degree by hard exercise and training. Now, wisdom is a learned trait based upon what one is taught and how one is trained and then most importantly applies those values. Wisdom is the antithesis of Evil. History is chock full of examples of extremely intelligent people who performed extremely evil deeds...

28 posted on 06/11/2011 5:42:22 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: leenie312

That is what I was pointing out.


29 posted on 06/11/2011 5:42:23 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: knarf
I come to FR because the many minds and wordsmiths here are what I need to stay challenged.

Bless you my child. I too am engaged at FR because my mind craves the intellectual rigor of learning from and struggling with others who are intellectually driven.

30 posted on 06/11/2011 5:44:36 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

But IQ tests don’t measure how successfully one’s been indoctrinated, do they?


31 posted on 06/11/2011 5:46:17 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Louis Foxwell
Rational thinking does not exist in the muslim mind.
32 posted on 06/11/2011 5:46:23 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: Paladin2
and who could remember it perfectly after 40 years without practice ?"

Well when I took German in high school 35 years ago we said The Lord's Prayer in German at the start of each class. To this day it's the only bit of German I can recite.

All it means is 0bama has a good memory for certain things. Take away TOTUS and he bumbles through a speech like Elmer Fudd, don't even try to ask him a serious question that requires a gut response because his handlers wouldn't allow that, lest he has another Joe the Plumber moment.

33 posted on 06/11/2011 5:51:46 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Elendur

I can still recite most parts of the Catholic mass - In Latin. And, THAT has been WAAAY more than 40 years for me. Religion stuffs it’s doctrines and rituals DEEP inside the young brain so they NEVER leave....


34 posted on 06/11/2011 5:53:51 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: Paladin2

true. but if you went to england, i think you’d remember the year and date.
i’ve read many of your posts. and i’ve read many things by Obama.
there is NO comparison, between YOUR memory and intelligence, and his.

...and i’d also submit, that you are WAY above the national average in both also. most people i know, have terrible memories. and while i’m not as smart as you, even i am above the national average.

...and i think we ALL would like to see Obama’s records from his 2 semesters at Columbia, that qualified him for Harvard...


35 posted on 06/11/2011 5:56:49 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: 9YearLurker
But your original piece, with “One must be taught to think”, implies something other than self-teaching.

Thank you for your comments.

Self teaching is typically done with the writings of others as in philosophical or mathematical treatises. In those cases the reader is learning the thought processes of another.

The development of intelligence is a very personal and private activity done in the presence of a greater intellect, whether formally, conversationally or through reading or viewing.

There is "a grappling with another intellect" aspect to the process of developing intellectual skills that can not be avoided.

36 posted on 06/11/2011 5:59:13 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Chicago Tribune says all you ‘crackers’ are wrong about the Obama economy.

chicagotribune.com

Black hopes vs. white anxiety

Clarence Page

6:44 PM CDT, June 10, 2011

Race relations have undergone a curious flip-flop. Polls show blacks feel more optimistic about the nation’s future than whites, despite the Great Recession that’s giving everybody the blues.

Having a black, or, if you prefer, biracial, president explains a lot of that optimism, polls show. But white Americans, particularly working-class whites without a college diploma, have become more gloomy.

Ronald Brownstein, political director and demographic specialist at the National Journal, recently described whites who have less than a four-year college degree as “the most pessimistic and alienated group in American society.”

He cited a March poll by the Pew Charitable Trusts’ Economic Mobility Project in which two-thirds of blacks and Hispanics said they expected to be better off economically in 10 years. So did 55 percent of college-educated whites. But only 44 percent of non-college whites agreed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-oped-0612-page-20110610,0,2405310,print.column


37 posted on 06/11/2011 6:01:11 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Louis Foxwell
Think? The guy can't even TALK. Ugh, Ummm, ahh, “let me be perfectly clear”????? How could America elect this MORON? And they said George W Bush was stupid? They say Sarah Palin is stupid? R U kidding me? Rainman, Forest Gump, Karl Childers (Sling Blade), Sam Dawson (I am Sam) are all geniuses compared to ObOzO.
38 posted on 06/11/2011 6:02:53 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: KeepUSfree; Paladin2

excellent point. i concede that you and Paladin2 are correct.

many people can remember a lot from their early children. perhaps i was swayed, because i cannot recite ANYTHING from before i was 9 or 10, and i have very few memories at all from before then. (yet, i have been called a “walking encyclopedia” by friends, about things i’ve learned as an adult.)

but again, i concede that Obama could remember it after 40 years without practice.

however, it remains that he certainly knows what those words mean, and a true Christian, would not proudly recite words, that are considered by Muslims, to OFFICIALLY and PERMANENTLY make you a Muslim.


39 posted on 06/11/2011 6:04:43 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Louis Foxwell

As a former teacher, I found that some children come to kindergaten and first grade with high abilities of problem solving skills and vision. It’s never been proven whether they are born with those skills or have been stimulated with activities fostered by their parents.

It’s true we’re all born with the same brain volume and mechanical abilities, but child development is not proven science. It is just estimated science.

I compare this to artists. Some artists can visualize something in their minds and lay it out on canvas layer by layer. Yet some artists have to paint from a picture or something they are looking at.

And some children seem to be born leaders and some followers. Are they learned skills, or are they innate. We don’t know. Yes, you can train a child to be a leader by putting them in the position of leadership every day...but usually they’ll never be a great leader. They will plod along based simply on limited experience or indoctrination. Without having the ability to foresee the consequences that ‘might’ or ‘probably’ will befall them on the way and foresee how to deal with them with flexibility.

Obamajad is obviously a trained robot. How many times have you heard the so-called intellectuals referring to him as a pragmatist, thinking that this imbues him with genius. When it simply means he’s a plodder, a dullard, most likely a follower like a blind sheep. And this should tell you a lot about the so-called intellectuals supporting him. They haven’t even a clue what they’re saying.

Some like to call pragmatists ‘realists’ who only have the ability to deal with what they can ‘see’ in real time. They rely on somebody elses scientific data to formulate a conclusion, which they then determine is imperialistic proof to their conclusion. Just because.

The serious problem with Obamajad is that his abilities were born in and then fostered by hatred and negativism against people who are ‘different’ from him. And thus he projects his own hatred and negativism to them. When most Americans have been born in and fostered by positives like patriotism, prosperity and freedom to self-determine and a belief that those are innate rights belonging to us all, even those who are ‘different’. And then of course, there are those of us who apply those positives with a few basic limits of morality based on ten basic commandments handed down by our Creator. He hates that, especially because it limits his ability as a con man.

In other words, this is one sicko, dangerous dude that needs to be taken out of this powerful leadership position. He’s not just incompetent. The direction he wants to lead us is wrong, based on his ideology that we need to be punished because we dare to be different from his negative robotic programming.


40 posted on 06/11/2011 6:05:11 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: snoringbear

I am in near complete disagreement with you. I do not confuse intelligence and wisdom. Intellect is not something anyone is born with. It is a learned discipline. Wisdom comes through many years and substantial effort involving the application of intellectual discipline.


41 posted on 06/11/2011 6:06:17 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Nickname

There is substantial recognition that IQ tests are based on socialization skills. Knowledge of cultural icons increase IQ tests. The notion of innate intelligence is difficult if not impossible to test.


42 posted on 06/11/2011 6:09:03 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

He’s not stupid...he’s intentional.


43 posted on 06/11/2011 6:12:23 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Louis Foxwell

You’re absolutely right, and it is amazing how thoroughly that experience has been scrubbed from our compulsory ‘education’. It is not accidental.


44 posted on 06/11/2011 6:16:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Louis Foxwell

Louis,

I couldn’t get past the first four sentences. Intelligence is innate.


45 posted on 06/11/2011 6:18:07 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Louis Foxwell; knarf
I come to FR because the many minds and wordsmiths here are what I need to stay challenged.

Bless you my child. I too am engaged at FR because my mind craves the intellectual rigor of learning from and struggling with others who are intellectually driven.


46 posted on 06/11/2011 6:21:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: RowdyFFC

WOW!
Well worth re reading. Thank you for the brilliant post.
Intelligence can be learned. It is, after all, a discipline. I have witnessed people with ostensibly low intellectual ability learn to think critically while others simply repeat what they have learned by rote.
The discussion about memory is to the point. Learning to regurgitate some ritualistic statement is no sign of intellegence. It may be a sign of a good memory, what ever that is. It does not, however, involve critical thinking. I am sure as a teacher you tried to teach your children to think, not simply regurgitate.
I am not against rote learning. I still know my times tables. Learning them gave me the foundation to learn how to develop higher mathematical skills, although I am by no means a mathematician.


47 posted on 06/11/2011 6:22:21 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
You speak of Quantum Mechanics as if the theory is now a fact. Which to the bystander appears to be nothing more than arrogant pseudo-intellectualism.

Show me your clear evidence that Quantum Mechanics is a proven science which exists outside of Theorist mathematics if you will.

I belong to the realistic realm of science and base my career on my own learning, not some one else’s baseless theory of Psychometrics.

48 posted on 06/11/2011 6:23:31 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Elendur

Just a word about this ‘remembering/reciting’ point...

Don’t you guys think that before he was going to recite this Muslim thing in public, he rehearsed it?? I mean, this is barack obama.. Mr. Ummm, err, uhhh... His handlers wouldn’t let him go out and recite anything cold.


49 posted on 06/11/2011 6:23:58 AM PDT by J40000
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To: KeepUSfree
Religion stuffs it’s doctrines and rituals DEEP inside the young brain so they NEVER leave....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

—That means Islam is still has a strong influence over Obama.

— We should remember that every child in our government K-12 schools are being indoctrinated in godless secular humanism. They must think and reason godless merely to cooperate within the classroom.

50 posted on 06/11/2011 6:25:12 AM PDT by wintertime
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