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MLB ponders realignment, moving NL team to AL (or could they possibly add 2 teams?)
cbssportsline.com ^ | 6-11-11 | By Evan Brunell

Posted on 06/11/2011 1:57:58 PM PDT by rawhide

As Major League Baseball continues to discuss possible realignment, one idea that has come up is going to a league with 15 teams per league, reports ESPN's Buster Olney.

Currently, the National League has 16 teams and the AL 14 for scheduling purposes. Should baseball go to two 15-team leagues, that would likely require interleague play every day of the season. Given baseball likes to treat interleague play as an event, that could dilute the appeal of interleague play to the point it would no longer be a moneymaker. However, there is still real resistance to the idea which has not been presented to owners yet, although the player's union is reportedly open to it.

"I'd still say the odds of it happening are less than 50-50," the source said.

CBSSports.com's Danny Knobler says that players are open to it because they are not happy about AL West teams having a 25 percent chance of making the playoffs, the NL Central just 18 percent and the rest all at 20 percent.

To switch to a 15-team alignment, one team from the NL would have to move to the AL. According to Olney, two highly-ranked executives think the Astros could receive the call in order to tap into a rivalry with the Texas Rangers. Picking the Astros would also allow baseball to remove one team from the NL Central and slot Houston into the AL West, which would address the issue of playoff percentages.


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I was thinking they could add 2 teams to the AL, then they could have 4 four-team divisions, 16 teams in each league. Some location suggestions for the 2 expansion teams:

Charlotte, NC
Memphis, TN
Portland, OR
New Orleans, LA
Calgary, Alberta,Canada
Las Vegas, NV
Jacksonville, FL

1 posted on 06/11/2011 1:58:01 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

“According to Olney, two highly-ranked executives think the Astros could receive the call in order to tap into a rivalry with the Texas Rangers. Picking the Astros would also allow baseball to remove one team from the NL Central and slot Houston into the AL West, which would address the issue of playoff percentages.”

That is a horrendous idea.

Makes my stomach turn.


2 posted on 06/11/2011 2:02:42 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: rawhide

MLB cannot add two teams as it would dilute pitching at a time when pitching just overcame the steroid era.


3 posted on 06/11/2011 2:04:12 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: rawhide

Portland and Nashville?


4 posted on 06/11/2011 2:04:25 PM PDT by proudpapa (Palin-West - 2012)
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To: rawhide
Out of that list, I would say Charlotte and Calgary are the only ones that would make it.

Memphis and New Orleans have a hard time with pro sports (save for the resurgent Saints of the past five years.) Portland is too small and too close to Seattle. Las Vegas would have to have Nevada amend the gaming laws, and they're too close to the Diamondbacks. As for Jacksonville, there's not a great attendance record among Florida teams, even during a play-off series.

5 posted on 06/11/2011 2:07:01 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rawhide

Portland is a real possibility. The rest make no sense at all. Jacksonville? Tampa and Miami can’t even support baseball. Plus Jacksonville is in jeopordy of losing the Jaguars for lack of support and that’s a football hotbed. New Orleans? Dirt poor and not enough of a corporate base. Charlotte? No way could they support a third pro team. They have enough trouble with the Panthers and Bobcats. Memphis? See New Orleans. Vegas? Too many transplants and tourists to make it successful. Not sure about Calgary. My thought would be Oklahoma City or San Antonio as options.


6 posted on 06/11/2011 2:07:18 PM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin, the only cure for the RINO virus.)
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To: rawhide

Don’t watch Major League ball

Watch the Minors. They are right in my home town, they have a nice stadium, the price is much cheaper, no one ever tries to beat my head in, and it’s a nice evening out without facing traffic in a major city.

The game played is just as good sometimes better.


7 posted on 06/11/2011 2:08:14 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rawhide

I think Portland is the most likely candidate from that list and Vegas the least likely just because of the gambling fears.


8 posted on 06/11/2011 2:09:07 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: rawhide

FWIW, the DH is an abomination. As a reluctantly offered compromise, remove the pitcher from the batting line-up in both leagues and dump the DH. no one wants to see a pitcher flail away at a fast ball and they don’t make pitchers like Babe Ruth anymore.


9 posted on 06/11/2011 2:09:43 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: rawhide

They should drop two teams. The players union would never go for it though....


10 posted on 06/11/2011 2:09:58 PM PDT by GQuagmire ('Don't Piss The Lady Off')
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To: rawhide
Charlotte

Calgary

SW Connecticut (a third New York team, in essence)

Nashville

11 posted on 06/11/2011 2:10:20 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

You’re kidding right?

Portland too close to Seattle? It would make for a good rivalry!

Are the White Sox too close to the Cubs?

Are the A’s too close to the Giants?


12 posted on 06/11/2011 2:12:29 PM PDT by proudpapa (Palin-West - 2012)
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To: muir_redwoods
no one wants to see a pitcher flail away at a fast ball

Perhaps not, but the strategy involved in mid to late inning pinch hitting when a pitcher may be coming up in the batting order during a crucial point in the game is compelling. That's what makes the NL superior to the AL hands down.

13 posted on 06/11/2011 2:13:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rawhide

Or just add the San Diego Padres, Montreal Expos, Seattle Pilots and the Kansas City Royals....switch to 2 divisions in each league, with a playoff to advance to the World Series, and, and....awe heck, that would never work!


14 posted on 06/11/2011 2:14:22 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: proudpapa
Are the White Sox too close to the Cubs? Are the A’s too close to the Giants?

Huge markets. Seattle isn't huge.

If market size were no issue, you'd have teams in Columbus, Buffalo and Indianapolis.

15 posted on 06/11/2011 2:16:29 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: GQuagmire

There were rumors of contracting teams in the past, like the Twins... Expos had moved to D.C. but should they have simply contracted instead? (D.C. really wanted a team bad though.)

A’s interesting situation—they’d like to move to San Jose
but Giants feel it’s their territory.

Team mergers? Teams contracting? Or a couple more expansion teams? Some of the cities may really want it but would
there be enough fans at the games (after the initial novelty)?

And as for “one big league, with conferences”, etc., keep in mind AL and NL are dead set about having DH or not having it. It would be mass warfare among the owners if such a move were floated.

A team in SW Conn.: Yanks and Mets would object. How would Red Sox feel, for example, if an NL team tried to move
to Boston? (For one thing, I don’t know where a team would play...Foxboro? Hey, the Foxboro Foxes, just put a diamond down at Gillette and try a kind of seat re-alignment...naah)


16 posted on 06/11/2011 2:17:01 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: rawhide
You can scratch Calgary from that list. That city couldn't even support a AAA-level minor league team (the Calgary Cannons) when they were up there.

The problem with Calgary is that it's just not a "baseball" city. What hampered attendance for the Cannons was the short summer season and cool summer evenings. Fans needed to bring jackets to night games even during the peak of summer, as temperatures often dip down into the 50s once the sun goes down at that elevation.

I may be wrong about this, but I believe Portland, Sacramento and San Antonio are the largest metro areas in the U.S. without a MLB team.

17 posted on 06/11/2011 2:18:02 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: trumandogz
"MLB cannot add two teams as it would dilute pitching at a time when pitching just overcame the steroid era."

You're kidding, right?

This is the best pitching we've seen in at least 20 years, maybe more.

I rarely see a game where a team scores more than 3 runs...of course, I'm a Giants and A's fan:)

18 posted on 06/11/2011 2:19:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: raccoonradio

For a second Boston team. I’d put them smack in the middle of MetroWest. The old Route 30 Mall area in Framingham would be perfect.


19 posted on 06/11/2011 2:21:13 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: muir_redwoods

AL is addicted to the DH. Boston, for example, where David Ortiz is a very hot hitter these days. Heavens, the Red Sox would shudder at the thought of putting Papi in the field, so they breathe easy that they don’t have to.

>>But here’s another question: Is Ortiz making teams like the Yankees — and even the Red Sox — rethink their strategy toward the DH spot?...Not only does no DH come close to Ortiz’ production against lefties, but his .355 batting average against southpaws ranks among the best in baseball.
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2011/06/08/david-ortiz-quest-make-designated-hitter-cool
(Yanks may covet Ortiz next year...)


20 posted on 06/11/2011 2:21:42 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: buccaneer81
"Portland is too small and too close to Seattle."

They would also need a $6bil ball park with a roof...as would Las Vegas.

The other locations could go with your run of the mill $2.5-$3.0bil ball park.

Portland being the weakest candidate due to 30 years of conditioning as Mariners fans.

21 posted on 06/11/2011 2:23:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: rawhide
If they wanted to fix baseball they would cut down to two six team divisions in each league, shorten the playoff season, eliminate interleague play, and cut the schedule back to 154 games. But then, this isn't about baseball. This is about money. Never mind.
22 posted on 06/11/2011 2:24:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: buccaneer81
Hmm..but I would count on a "no" vote from Red Sox ownership on such an idea.

(Below: Where Braves Field/Boston used to be, now used among other things for Nickerson Field/B.U.)


23 posted on 06/11/2011 2:25:25 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: Alberta's Child
I believe Portland, Sacramento and San Antonio are the largest metro areas in the U.S. without a MLB team.

Riverside, CA is actually the largest, but the three you mention follow it in order. After that come Orlando, Las Vegas and Columbus.

24 posted on 06/11/2011 2:25:25 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Alberta's Child
Alberta is rich. They can build a domed stadium. They're not French. So, they'll grow to love baseball. Assuming the team is successful, Edmonton and Vancouver would be future possibilities.
25 posted on 06/11/2011 2:26:23 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Alberta's Child
I like your San Antonio suggestion? Lots of Hispanics to support them down there. Hispanics love baseball.

Sacramento may be too close to the Oakland team/San Francisco team area to be considered?

What about San Juan, PR? Two hour flying time from Miami.

26 posted on 06/11/2011 2:28:05 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Jacksonville is in no real danger of the Jaguars moving to LA. There have not been any blackouts in Jackonville the last season. The Stadium got a new sponser, the Jaguars drafted a promising franchise quarterback, and also sold more season tickets in 2010.

If any city is in danger of losing a team to LA, then it is Oakland, San Diego, or Minnesota. Probably one of the two California team mentioned that will move.


27 posted on 06/11/2011 2:28:24 PM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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To: buccaneer81

A second team in Boston? Why did the Boston Braves move out of Boston in the first place? Has Boston grown significantly since then? I thought they were the “other” team in Boston, and moved due to terrible attendance.

It seems that not too many big markets can support two teams very well.


28 posted on 06/11/2011 2:28:34 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: buccaneer81

If you want a huge market, try Mexico City. We’ve already got a team in Canada—why not Mexico. Half the players are latino anyway.
Hell, the Mexicans are slowly taking over our country anyway.


29 posted on 06/11/2011 2:28:53 PM PDT by taillightchaser (The last hope for America--2012)
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To: bobby.223

Wow, you are about 40 years behind the times. I figure you’re messing with us.

Did you know that the Montreal Expos are now the Washington Nationals, and the Seattle Pilots are now the Milwaukee Brewers??????


30 posted on 06/11/2011 2:30:11 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: raccoonradio
Hmm..but I would count on a "no" vote from Red Sox ownership on such an idea.

I'd bet my house, job and first born on that.

I know all about Braves field. My late father was a Braves fan until they left when he was 21. I have his ticket stub from Game 2 of the 1948 World Series.

31 posted on 06/11/2011 2:31:38 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Alberta's Child

San Antonio would be a good candidate as it has a strong economy and I think there would be fans.


32 posted on 06/11/2011 2:32:33 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (If you try to fail and you succeed , what have you just done?)
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To: taillightchaser

Yes, I thought of Mexico City for the reasons you mentioned. However, the crime rates all over Mexico are terrible.


33 posted on 06/11/2011 2:33:06 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: hinckley buzzard

I would love to see a return to a 154 game season, and a shorter season. I would love to see more doubleheaders. I would like to see doubleheaders on Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day. I would like to see occasional Sunday doubleheaders too.

I would like the season to start around April 20th, so as to avoid as much as possible the early spring bad weather. And end the regular season by mid-September, so there is plenty of time to get the playoffs in before the bad fall weather hits.

I would even like to see a day game in the World Series. Can you imagine such a concept???????


34 posted on 06/11/2011 2:33:21 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

While baseball fans in my area might like it, there probably isn’t room for two teams here. In Howie Carr’s book Hitman about gangster Johnny Martorano, Martorano calls when he was young his father and a bunch of his friends would go to either Braves Field or Fenway Park to catch a game and bet on
who would hit a HR, the final score, whether the next pitch would be a strike, or whatever. He recalls (paraphrasing here)
that “this was before the Braves moved to Milwaukee. Back then the Sox didn’t draw as many people as they do now,
and the Braves drew _nobody_. That’s why they moved.”

Outside of a short-term novelty (and inevitable bitterness
by Sox owners—how did you think the Orioles owner felt about the poss. of a team in nearby D.C., the Nationals?)
a second team probably wouldn’t succeed. The Sox would dominate it all.

The Sox owners spent $700 million on the team, did some improvements to the ballpark, spend a lot of money on payroll and have done well in the standings, with 2 World Series titles in the past 8 yrs or so. The last thing they would want is...competition! Hence I would not expect John Henry and company to be enthusiastic about the senior circuit moving back here!


35 posted on 06/11/2011 2:33:37 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: rawhide
What about San Juan, PR? Two hour flying time from Miami.

Nine hour flying time from the west coast.

36 posted on 06/11/2011 2:34:01 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: raccoonradio

calls = “recalls”


37 posted on 06/11/2011 2:35:01 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: rawhide
It's madness.
Several years ago the Brewers were moved to the NL, (after decades in the AL) which threw it our of alignment -
what, they couldn't see that subtracting one team from an even number in the AL and adding it to an even number in the NL would make BOTH LEAGUES UNEVEN???!!!!!
(Oh, but wasn't "what's-his-face" MLB commishioner owner of the Brewers at the time??)
38 posted on 06/11/2011 2:35:01 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: buccaneer81

but Riverside is so close to LA, which already has the Dodgers and Angels. Hard to believe they would ever get a major league team there, unless one of the two teams moved.

heck with all the troubles with gangs at Dodger Stadium, maybe they might look to move east????


39 posted on 06/11/2011 2:35:14 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: rawhide

The first thing baseball should do is get rid of Bud Selig. In fact, they should send a letter of apology to everyone that’s bought a ticket to a game since Bud became commissioner. Then add a few inches to the mound and loosen the stiches on the baseball. Then cut 20+ games from the season and make all playoff games back to back so that we stop having to watch ‘the boys of summer’ play when it’s 10 degrees outside.

Oh, and interleague play should be limited to two series a year.


40 posted on 06/11/2011 2:35:31 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: rawhide
the appeal of interleague play

MLB lying to themselves again. The gimmick is over.

41 posted on 06/11/2011 2:36:00 PM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: rawhide
"Sacramento may be too close to the Oakland team/San Francisco team area to be considered? "

I would love to see a MLB team here in Sacramento, but both the A's and the Giants are less than 100 miles and the cable system here covers them both.

And, with decades and a few generations of fan affinity toward both of those teams I do not see how a 3rd could gain traction.

However, any Sacramento ball park would be one very good hitters ball park. Summer evenings of 85-90 deg (perhaps cooling to 78 by 10:00pm) with little wind and 10% humidity would make for some nice fireworks. However, it would be rough for those Sunday day games which start at 1:30pm and finish when it's 105 deg.

42 posted on 06/11/2011 2:36:00 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: buccaneer81

I could say I say there once, at least in the Nickerson Field incarnation. In ‘79 my high school, Lynn Classical, played in and won the division High School Super Bowl and it was there.


43 posted on 06/11/2011 2:37:24 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: relictele

I agree, I hate interleague play!


44 posted on 06/11/2011 2:37:40 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Hate it from beginning to end but I would accept it only if a new Calgary team could be called the Tar Sands to make liberals’ heads explode.


45 posted on 06/11/2011 2:38:42 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: taillightchaser
If you want a huge market, try Mexico City.

Too far away, too many security issues (kidnapping, etc,) too much air pollution at high altitude.

46 posted on 06/11/2011 2:39:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

...and I have a friend whose father was and is a Braves fan, in Salem MA. I visited my friend one day and his dad was watching Atl. Braves on TBS. He said he remained a Braves fan even after the 2 moves.

(country song lyric, “My Kind of Girl”)
“And when we started talking, I could not believe my ears/
You said you were still a Braves fan, even in the rotten years”


47 posted on 06/11/2011 2:39:31 PM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: taillightchaser
"If you want a huge market, try Mexico City"

Mexico City could support two ball clubs except player salaries make it necessary to take in $2mil per game, minimum, on ticket sales alone. Well, if you want to make any money.

Of course the Mexican TV market could possibly make up the difference?

48 posted on 06/11/2011 2:40:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: buccaneer81

Well, what about the Miami-Seattle/West Coast flights? Besides, the teams would fly on to San Juan during their east coast road trips, and vice-versa. Not much of an add-on to fly there.


49 posted on 06/11/2011 2:41:19 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I would even like to see a day game in the World Series. Can you imagine such a concept???????

I remember the Pittsburgh-Baltimore series in 1971. I was in Catholic school in the third grade and the nuns turned on the TVs for the day games (and this was in Boston. Nuns loved baseball.)

50 posted on 06/11/2011 2:44:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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