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Apple store employee seeks to plant union seed
reuters ^ | June 12, 2011 | Poornima Gupta

Posted on 06/12/2011 10:14:02 AM PDT by PROCON

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I haven't been able to afford an Apple computer; do you think it'll become less expensive under union representation?

Look at the auto workers union in the '70's, where the UAW's slick negotiators caused the average American car to almost triple in price.

This isn't an anti-union rant, just sayin...

1 posted on 06/12/2011 10:14:10 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON
An Apple Inc (AAPL.O) store employee has started a union in a rare move at a company known for its near-fanatical following and cutting-edge mystique.

If Apple doesn't nip it NOW, Apple will be found in the history books only.

No company can survive these days with blood sucking leeches dragging them down.

2 posted on 06/12/2011 10:18:21 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: PROCON

So remember, the next time the salesperson says some about that Mac for PC, he or she is only a $14 per hour opinion giver.


3 posted on 06/12/2011 10:18:24 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: PROCON

Simple ,Fire little Cory and anyone else who tries to organize.


4 posted on 06/12/2011 10:19:00 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: PROCON
This isn't an anti-union rant, just sayin...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with an anti-union rant.

5 posted on 06/12/2011 10:19:14 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: PROCON

Liberal Apple will be torn between profits and supporting the dem agenda. This will be interesting to watch.


6 posted on 06/12/2011 10:19:19 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: PROCON

as always, it will be fun to see a committed left winger like Jobs deal with the left wing unions. He is capitalist by day, and leftie by night, in terms of how Apple is run. They strategically have used oversees labor and manufacturing and non-union supplier/shippers, etc from one end of the supply chain to the other. I like Apple quite a bit and respect Jobs greatly for what he and his company have accomplished. This upcoming battle is intriguing to me.


7 posted on 06/12/2011 10:20:19 AM PDT by ilgipper ( political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: EGPWS

It used to be that if someone didn’t like their job, they would quit and go find another one. If the person has any sense and marketable skills, he should be able to find a job even in this bad economy.

He should be using his energy to squeal about the high taxes he is paying.


8 posted on 06/12/2011 10:20:49 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Cheetahcat
Simple ,Fire little Cory and anyone else who tries to organize.

Where oh where could a company find qualified replacements however? /MS

9 posted on 06/12/2011 10:20:58 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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There is no reason for Unions.


10 posted on 06/12/2011 10:21:39 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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He should be using his energy to squeal about the high taxes he is paying.

Exactly, however you KNOW that he must be a democrat that does not know of such alien ideals as (gasp) TAX CUTS!!

11 posted on 06/12/2011 10:23:10 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: PROCON

If it was me, I’d fire his union looking @$$, ASAP!


12 posted on 06/12/2011 10:26:19 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: NoRedTape
There is no reason for Unions.

I hear union thug leaders and democrat politicians give major financial reason for them however.

13 posted on 06/12/2011 10:26:50 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: esoxmagnum

Living here in liberal SF, I agree with you. Your comments are an accurate reflection of the inevitable situation for Apple and other companies. The plight of retail employees trying to make a living in this city is real.


14 posted on 06/12/2011 10:27:31 AM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: PROCON

Uh-oh, Mr. Black-turtleneck-and-blue-jeans isn’t going to like this...


15 posted on 06/12/2011 10:29:38 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Cut his hours to 6am to 7am on Sunday mornings.


16 posted on 06/12/2011 10:30:10 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: EGPWS

Apple store employees are pretty meaningless for Apple’s profits. Apple’s H1b visa engineers are not joining union any time soon.


17 posted on 06/12/2011 10:30:46 AM PDT by heiss
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To: Cheetahcat
“Simple ,Fire little Cory and anyone else who tries to organize.”

That is quite illegal and would net Apple a multi-million fine. But, Apple could inform workers that should they go union, they will lose ALL benefits and will fight every union proposal. Let them strike since you can almost never make up the losses incurred by a strike.

Or....move to Hecho en Mexico.

18 posted on 06/12/2011 10:31:10 AM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: esoxmagnum

how ironic....doesn’t Jobs give millions to obama in campaign $$$?? i hope the union goes balls out to unionize Apple- the hypocrisy should be fun to watch...


19 posted on 06/12/2011 10:32:35 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: PROCON

That guy should be fire asap.


20 posted on 06/12/2011 10:37:29 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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i was browing in an apple store

when a frustrated customer arrived at

“the genius bar”

to complain that he could not open his new ipad.

turns out not one but two buttons open an ipad.


21 posted on 06/12/2011 10:38:49 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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22 posted on 06/12/2011 10:39:13 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: PROCON

That guy should be fired asap.


23 posted on 06/12/2011 10:39:30 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Cheetahcat

Hey, Apple is run by libs - they should LOVE being Union!


24 posted on 06/12/2011 10:45:47 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: Cheetahcat

Exactly. Fire the little puke today.


25 posted on 06/12/2011 10:54:51 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: PROCON

I remember a documentary on the demise of the Studebaker Corp that had as a base premise that the UAW used this #5 auto company to force industry-wide agreements upon the other auto companies. Going into the Great Depression, Studebaker had a paternalistic view of it’s workforce and strove to keep employees even when car sales could not support the load. Even through the early 50s, it still had the highest wages in the US Industry. The UAW / Walter Reuther used a strategy of striking one manufacturer to force matching wages throughout the unionized factories. When Studebaker sales faltered, no kindness was shown for past good treatment and the company, founded to build wagons in 1852, died in the 1960s.


26 posted on 06/12/2011 11:04:01 AM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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To: Cheetahcat

Agree, firing the little faggot will solve the problem.


27 posted on 06/12/2011 11:04:01 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (The original "Cash for Clunkers" program: the DNC Campaign fund)
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To: Yo-Yo

Jobs is a big lib, so watching his response will be interesting. I’m guessing he’s gonna be a hypocrite.


28 posted on 06/12/2011 11:09:04 AM PDT by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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Jobs is a hypocrite.

He will fight any unionization attempt.

A union would kill Apple.

Just like he is two faced about the anti-trust issues with Microsoft.
29 posted on 06/12/2011 11:10:37 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: PROCON
There was a very funny vignette from Steve Job's appearance before the Cupertino City Council about building their new "iSpaceship" building there on June 7th. After Mr Jobs went through the [obligatory California] description of how ecological friendly this project would be, one council member hinted/asked for Apple to furnish free WiFi for the city. Jobs, wearing his capitalist hat, both mentioned the taxes Apple was paying and that there was also a location in Mountainview. He also offered to provide free WiFi in exchange for no taxes. The council member shut-up on that riposte.

It must be strange in the upper echelons of Apple at times - they are obviously Californian libs and they even have the Gore-acle on their Board of Directors, but when they see the anti-capitalist movement of the current left, does it even twinge?

30 posted on 06/12/2011 11:17:39 AM PDT by SES1066 (Michael Moore - a pernicious progluddite of socialism!)
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Doesn’t San Fran have a living wage law on the books? If so, these employees are living high on the hog! /s


31 posted on 06/12/2011 11:20:31 AM PDT by rawhide
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Cory Moll, a part-time employee at an Apple store in San Francisco, is working to form a union

Well I always said every man has a right to be stupid.

to fight for better wages and benefits and to address what he says are unfair practices in the company's glass-and-steel retail showrooms.

“Every slave has with in him the means to end his slavery.”

Don’t like it there? QUIT!

32 posted on 06/12/2011 11:21:49 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Cheetahcat; FlingWingFlyer; troy McClure; bboop; coon2000; RightWingConspirator
Fire him...

I thought FReepers were educated.

You people obviously do not understand how our legal system is tilted totally in favor of unions. It ties the hands of capitalists and, in some cases, even silencing them.

If you fire someone who is trying to form a union, it is default judgement against you.

Union installed. No vote. No questions asked.

Please THINK before posting.

33 posted on 06/12/2011 11:29:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: PROCON

Torn.

I am not a fan of unions. At the same time would I love a union to harass liberal, elitist, humanitarian, we-are-so-superior-over-everyone Apple? The ironic paradox is almost too tantalizing to say no to.


34 posted on 06/12/2011 11:30:39 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I was not offering legal advice. Perhaps I did not mention that.


35 posted on 06/12/2011 11:30:53 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SES1066
they even have the Gore-acle on their Board of Directors,

Ah, yes, I almost forgot, Algore, the great hypocrite, who warns us against rising sea levels, yet purchases a mansion on ocean-front property.

The "Green" capitalist buys carbon-offsets to appease his liberal guilt!

36 posted on 06/12/2011 11:32:42 AM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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I DID NOT say fire him for trying to start a union. There are always other reasons why you can fire him. You’d be a fool to come out and say, You’re fired for trying to start a union. You’ve just got to be a little creative.


37 posted on 06/12/2011 11:41:20 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

“That is quite illegal and would net Apple a multi-million fine. But, Apple could inform workers that should they go union, they will lose ALL benefits and will fight every union proposal. Let them strike since you can almost never make up the losses incurred by a strike.

Or....move to Hecho en Mexico.”

Amazing we have a government that cannot run anything dictating policy to the productive,I would make that my job to find a way to for these Insects to be very uncomfortable.


38 posted on 06/12/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A daThat is quite illegal and would net Apple a multte which will live in Infamy.)
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To: JaguarXKE

“Hey, Apple is run by libs - they should LOVE being Union!”

LOL, except when they have to PAY!


39 posted on 06/12/2011 11:44:58 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A daThat is quite illegal and would net Apple a multte which will live in Infamy.)
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“Fire him...

I thought FReepers were educated.

You people obviously do not understand how our legal system is tilted totally in favor of unions. It ties the hands of capitalists and, in some cases, even silencing them.

If you fire someone who is trying to form a union, it is default judgement against you.

Union installed. No vote. No questions asked.

Please THINK before posting.”

Anyone can be fired,You just have to do it Smart!


40 posted on 06/12/2011 11:46:58 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A daThat is quite illegal and would net Apple a multte which will live in Infamy.)
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To: NoRedTape

My wife and I were discussing unions last evening. My comments were along the line that being a youngster in the really contentious days in the early 30s there was a need for establishing balance between productivity and compensation. However once the unions got into the government pockets, or visa virsa, our entire free enterprise system was altered. I see no redeeming value reason for any government support of unions just as I believe government should not prevent any group of people from joining together in free will to promote their belief/cause. The only justification for government involvement is to see no laws are broken but not to mandate ‘fairness’. Today’s unions see and are able to use government to enforce their ideas for a ‘new world order’ (Bush1) of communism for the elite.


41 posted on 06/12/2011 11:47:55 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: esoxmagnum

“Liberal Apple will be torn between profits and supporting the dem agenda. This will be interesting to watch.”

If a union movement should gain traction among Apple employees, and I don’t think it will, you can count on the brick and motar stores in threatened areas to shut down. Apple will go to internet stores in those areas. Count on it. Jobs may be a liberal but he’s a business man first and foremost....


42 posted on 06/12/2011 11:48:43 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: rawhide

You probably do not live here in SF so forget that minimum wage argument. What employees here want is a clear and obvious way to progress within an organization and a chance to advance since many enjoy retail. However, hiring mostly part-time is often a convenient way for SF companies to keep from paying basic benefits and avoiding scheduling conflicts. For one, it allows them to ignore requests for days off even if requested way in advance.

Retail employees job status reflect the current poor job market situation, they are not the cause. Even if SF part timers are very well educated as compared to other parts of the country,- (which they are), their dilemma is having to accept low paying part-time jobs on poor terms since that is all that is available. The companies here enjoy what is often called ‘perfect competition’. It is not a union issue, but if companies are not responsive, well........


43 posted on 06/12/2011 12:02:06 PM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Depends on the state moron.


44 posted on 06/12/2011 12:15:20 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: PROCON

Jobs is one of the darlings of the Liberal, Socialist, and Progressive movement. Lets see how many of them start protesting Apple if he cans the guy and tries to squash the whole thing.


45 posted on 06/12/2011 12:15:46 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: PROCON

I hope this kid is successful.

Liberals like Jobs need to take responsibility for their own ideology by living under the effects of their ideology.

Liberals universally exempt themselves from their own taxes, regulations, labor policies, etc.

I’m tired of liberals imposing their will on everybody except themselves.

Let them live and die by their own failures.


46 posted on 06/12/2011 12:16:06 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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Depends on the state moron.

Calling me names does not change the fact that you cannot fire someone for trying to start a union......IN ANY STATE!

47 posted on 06/12/2011 1:15:08 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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>This isn’t an anti-union rant, just sayin...

I;m not offended by your rant. They are expensive overbloated pieces if fine machinery, but the fact you “subliminally” TRIED to apologize for it when FR is a pro-free market, anti-union forum is disconcerting.


48 posted on 06/12/2011 2:54:55 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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to apologize for it when FR is a pro-free market, anti-union forum is disconcerting.

An anti-union forum?

I don't think so.

FR seems to be an anti-government union forum. My comment on post #1 was vehemently anti-union, some unions are just too greedy.

But to be honest with you, I'm a member of a state government union, but we pay our fair-share unlike some other government unions. So, if I would be completely anti-union, I'd be a hypocrite.

49 posted on 06/12/2011 3:18:45 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

what’s a “fair share”?


50 posted on 06/12/2011 3:27:00 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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