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Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
Time ^ | June 14, 2011 | EMMANUEL GRYNSZPAN

Posted on 06/14/2011 4:17:18 PM PDT by decimon

his post is in partnership with Worldcrunch, a new global-news site that translates stories of note in foreign languages into English. The article below was originally published in Le Temps.

(MOSCOW) - A recently opened exhibition in Moscow's State Historical Museum is shedding some light on a long-guarded Russian secret: the origins of Soviet founding father Vladimir Lenin. Lenin's maternal grandfather, the exhibition revealed, was born Jewish.

This fascinating morsel of information, gleaned from declassified KGB files, is not a minor detail in a country where anti-Semitism was a recognized state doctrine for decades. Starting in the 1930s, the Soviet regime - spurred on by its leader Joseph Stalin - launched a violent discriminatory campaign against Jewish citizens. (See the top 25 political icons: Lenin)

Born in 1870, Lenin identified himself simply as Russian. His official biography mentions only his Russian, German and Swedish origins. But one of the exhibition's priceless pieces adds a key new element to the official narrative.

In a letter to Stalin in 1932 - six years after Lenin's death - Anna Ulyanova, Lenin's older sister, wrote that their maternal grandfather "came from a poor Jewish family and was, according to his baptismal certificate, the son of Moses Blank." Blank was born in Zhitomir, Ukraine. In her letter, Ulyanova said her brother "had always thought highly of Jews." She also urged Stalin to reveal Lenin's Jewish background, concluding that "it would be wrong to hide it from the masses."

Stalin, however, ordered Ulyanova to keep Lenin's Jewish roots under wraps. A few years later, Stalin began to purge Jews from among the leaders of the revolution. Prior to his death in 1953, furthermore, he was preparing to send the whole Jewish population living in the Soviet Union to concentration camps in Siberia.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: lenin; russia; russianjews

1 posted on 06/14/2011 4:17:20 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SJackson

Blank slate ping.


2 posted on 06/14/2011 4:18:03 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

So was Hitler....

Funny how the people who end up killing the most amounts of Jews in history seem to have some Jewish blood in them and they end up growing up to resent the Jewish blood in them which manifests itself as destructive behavior towards those people who comprise a part of their DNA.

The same could be applied towards Obama, he is half white and by his behavior he seems to LOATHE the white middle class American.


3 posted on 06/14/2011 4:27:02 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: decimon

Did not take TIME or the KGB archives to establish what has long been known. =.=


4 posted on 06/14/2011 4:43:12 PM PDT by cranked
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To: GraceG

In particular Obama’s diversity hate mob targets the white CHRISTIAN middle class in doctrines.


5 posted on 06/14/2011 4:45:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: decimon

A maternal grandFATHER makes no one Jewish.


6 posted on 06/14/2011 4:52:24 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

True-To the rational among us, but to a Hitler or Stalin it means nada.


7 posted on 06/14/2011 4:55:28 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: decimon

Dr. Blank? Not exactly new news. It wasn’t admitted by the CPSU. They held out the possibility that Blank was a German, as his wife was, but their answer was always at least a little suspect. Lenin’s Kalmyk or Tatar ancestry is something that hasn’t been explored as much.


8 posted on 06/14/2011 5:00:32 PM PDT by x
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To: decimon

Didn’t KGB files expose John Demjanuk serving as a Nazi guard working at Treblinka, Sobibor, and Auschwitz all at the same under Pat Buchanans Uncle?


9 posted on 06/14/2011 5:21:47 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Jewbacca

When did that start? I could google it, but I always think of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not Sarah, Rebekah, and Rachel. Just wondering, especially for a patriarchal society. Kind of balances out the power. :)


10 posted on 06/14/2011 5:34:35 PM PDT by huldah1776
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Largely irrelevant, since a maternal grandfather would mean nothing. Other than to the Reich, who would have executed him. And perhaps Stalin. And others who buy into those racial policies.

11 posted on 06/14/2011 6:17:55 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: GraceG
So was Hitler....

Possible, but unlikely.

It is not known who his paternal grandfather was. But prior to the invention of DNA testing it wasn't possible to conclusively prove paternity in any case.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/797/was-hitler-part-jewish

12 posted on 06/14/2011 6:20:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SJackson

As was Adolf Hitler:

Nazi leader Adolf Hitler had Jewish and African relatives, DNA test suggests
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-08-24/news/27073535_1_dna-test-relatives-samples


13 posted on 06/14/2011 6:26:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("We didn't lose Vietnam. We quit Vietnam." ~Gen. Al Haig)
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To: huldah1776

“When did that start?”

With Abram and Sarah. They BOTH converted, as did all the notable originally non-Jewish wives.

Here is it for those who want the Torah:

In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says “he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others.” No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being “among the community of Israel” (i.e., a Jew).

On the other hand, in Ezra 10:2-3, the Jews returning to Israel vowed to put aside their non-Jewish wives and the children born to those wives. They could not have put aside those children if those children were Jews.

Now, what about King David: was he a Jew, given that one of his female ancestors, Ruth, was not a Jew? This conclusion is based on two faulty premises: first of all, Ruth was a Jew, and even if she wasn’t, that would not affect David’s status as a Jew. Ruth converted to Judaism before marrying Boaz and bearing Obed. See Ruth 1:16, where Ruth states her intention to convert. After Ruth converted, she was a Jew, and all of her children born after the conversion were Jewish as well. But even if Ruth were not Jewish at the time Obed was born, that would not affect King David’s status as a Jew, because Ruth is an ancestor of David’s father, not of David’s mother, and David’s Jewish status is determined by his mother.


14 posted on 06/14/2011 6:27:33 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: huldah1776

“When did that start?”

With Abram and Sarah. They BOTH converted, as did all the notable originally non-Jewish wives.

Here is it for those who want the Torah:

In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says “he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others.” No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being “among the community of Israel” (i.e., a Jew).

On the other hand, in Ezra 10:2-3, the Jews returning to Israel vowed to put aside their non-Jewish wives and the children born to those wives. They could not have put aside those children if those children were Jews.

Now, what about King David: was he a Jew, given that one of his female ancestors, Ruth, was not a Jew? This conclusion is based on two faulty premises: first of all, Ruth was a Jew, and even if she wasn’t, that would not affect David’s status as a Jew. Ruth converted to Judaism before marrying Boaz and bearing Obed. See Ruth 1:16, where Ruth states her intention to convert. After Ruth converted, she was a Jew, and all of her children born after the conversion were Jewish as well. But even if Ruth were not Jewish at the time Obed was born, that would not affect King David’s status as a Jew, because Ruth is an ancestor of David’s father, not of David’s mother, and David’s Jewish status is determined by his mother.


15 posted on 06/14/2011 6:38:14 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: huldah1776

“When did that start?”

With Abram and Sarah. They BOTH converted, as did all the notable originally non-Jewish wives.

Here is it for those who want the Torah:

In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says “he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others.” No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).

Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being “among the community of Israel” (i.e., a Jew).

On the other hand, in Ezra 10:2-3, the Jews returning to Israel vowed to put aside their non-Jewish wives and the children born to those wives. They could not have put aside those children if those children were Jews.

Now, what about King David: was he a Jew, given that one of his female ancestors, Ruth, was not a Jew? This conclusion is based on two faulty premises: first of all, Ruth was a Jew, and even if she wasn’t, that would not affect David’s status as a Jew. Ruth converted to Judaism before marrying Boaz and bearing Obed. See Ruth 1:16, where Ruth states her intention to convert. After Ruth converted, she was a Jew, and all of her children born after the conversion were Jewish as well. But even if Ruth were not Jewish at the time Obed was born, that would not affect King David’s status as a Jew, because Ruth is an ancestor of David’s father, not of David’s mother, and David’s Jewish status is determined by his mother.


16 posted on 06/14/2011 6:38:20 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And 20% to 25% of the population of Spain. Other western European nations probably not being much different if anyone did the tests. Given a millenia of persecution in Europe, a Jew in your background wasn't something you talked about. Heck, in the US, in the absence of European antisemitism, some folk don't either. Barry Goldwater might have been proud of his heritage, but you don't hear John Kerry talking about Grandpa Kohn.

As to Adolph, I haven't a clue about his relatives dna, but the usual canard is that his grandma, a housekeeper, was raped by her employer, a Jew. That's it, she worked for a Jew so he must have had his way with her, that's what Jews do. Not much there. Which isn't to say Adolph couldn't have heard that story, though I think it arose only after he rose to prominence.

17 posted on 06/14/2011 7:02:56 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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To: decimon
In a letter to Stalin in 1932 - six years after Lenin's death...

Lenin died in 1924. That's pretty easy to fact check.

What other mistakes are in this article?

18 posted on 06/14/2011 7:13:53 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: The Hogwarts of stupid.)
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To: decimon

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
Vladimir Lenin


19 posted on 06/14/2011 7:23:25 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SJackson

I’ve read more than one account that he was a Rothschild, hence his ability to get funds early on, or some such.


20 posted on 06/14/2011 7:58:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("We didn't lose Vietnam. We quit Vietnam." ~Gen. Al Haig)
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To: decimon

Long known. Besides, Adam und Eve wuz Jewish, wasn’t they?


21 posted on 06/14/2011 8:04:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SJackson; decimon
Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov's maternal grandfather was born a Jew and converted to Russian Orthodoxy. Thus Lenin was 3 generations away from actual Jews, and 2 generations from someone who cut himself off from said community. Antisemites have been trying to make this an issue for 100 years. BFD. No one cared that he is part Kalmyk and a petty noble because it was not relevant to his beliefs. The same is true for the religion his grandfather disdained.

And 20% to 25% of the population of Spain.
The headlines for that story were wrong. 20-25% of Spaniards have a hapolotype found among Jews, Samaritans, and Levantine Arabs. Considering that the Belaric Islands and parts of Spain were Phonecian and Cartheginian colonies, this is to be expected.

Other western European nations probably not being much different if anyone did the tests.
A fair number of Ruthenians/Ukrainians carry otherwise Jewish genes.

22 posted on 06/14/2011 8:39:48 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew; 2ndDivisionVet
Antisemites have been trying to make this an issue for 100 years.

Likely the origin of the Rothschild story. Yet Stalin apparently wanted it to not be an issue so to further his political goals.

23 posted on 06/14/2011 8:53:14 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Look at the comments section in the original article, its a hate fest of Antisemitic, Anti Israel commentary and rants.

I wonder why they chose to publish a story on a well known fact only to further incite and inflame the public opinion against Israel.


24 posted on 06/15/2011 4:32:04 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: JadeEmperor
I wonder why they chose to publish a story on a well known fact only to further incite and inflame the public opinion against Israel.

I'm usually wary of such 'well known facts' cuz people make up stuff like this to further their agendas.

25 posted on 06/15/2011 7:21:06 AM PDT by decimon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SJackson; All
The article you link to, 2ndDivisionVet, does not show that Hitler had any Jewish ancestry. It merely throws out that out as a possibility.

It makes for interesting conversation and speculation, but nothing beyond that.

26 posted on 06/15/2011 7:37:52 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Jewbacca

Regarding King David,

I did a little study of Absalom, the long-haired son who rebelled against David and caused him so much grief. Interestingly enough, Absalom’s MOTHER was a Canaanite princess, hence, he was not Jewish—part of the reason which explains why his younger half-brother Solomon was heir to the throne—and also part of the reason that explains his rebellious and violent behavior...

King’s were SPECIFICALLY warned against marrying pagan wives...and David’s disobedience in this (likely to seal a peace treaty or something) ultimately resulted in the death of 4 sons of David (about the worst thing that could happen to a patriarch in the Ancient Near-East) due to a severely dysfunctional family...


27 posted on 06/15/2011 10:29:14 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Interesting; I’d never made the connection.


28 posted on 06/15/2011 11:43:55 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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