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No Fly Zone Over Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant Due to “Hazards”
NC Renegade ^ | June 14, 2011 | unknown

Posted on 06/14/2011 11:08:29 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder

No Fly Zone Over Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant Due to “Hazards”

Posted on June 14, 2011 by admin

The Federal Aviation Administration issued a temporary flight restriction over the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant until further notice due to “Hazards”. This would normally be a precautionary measure after an electrical fire disabled cooling for the spent fuel rod pool as outlined below. The question is why is this still in effect?

As reported previously, this facility is surrounded by sand bags as the Missouri River rises.

David DeGerolamo Electrical Fire Knocks Out Spent Fuel Cooling at Nebraska Nuclear Plant

A fire in an electrical switch room on Tuesday briefly knocked out cooling for a pool holding spent nuclear fuel at the Fort Calhoun nuclear plant outside Omaha, Neb., plant officials said.

The safety of deep pools used to store used radioactive fuel at nuclear plants has been an issue since the accident at Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant in March. If the cooling water a pool is lost, the used nuclear fuel could catch fire and release radiation.

More…

also see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHZdub3n0mI

(Excerpt) Read more at ncrenegade.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: fire; flood; ftcalhoun; lossofcooling; nebraska; nuclearplant
Great.

I am seeing zero reporting on this "ANYWHERE".

1 posted on 06/14/2011 11:08:36 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Noori mentioned this at the beginning of Coast to Coast, but no details.


2 posted on 06/14/2011 11:12:58 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

Yes, I heard that and cued in, I googled “calhoun nuclear”.

Apparently there was a fire there JUNE 08 (!) and one would think this would be splattered everywhere by our trusty “Oh Noez!” media by now, no? Esp in light of Fukushima.


3 posted on 06/14/2011 11:18:33 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Tired of being seen as idiots, the American people went to the polls in 2008 and removed all doubt.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
They restore cooling to the spent fuel pool in short order.

NRC pdf

4 posted on 06/14/2011 11:38:58 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Two articles on this linked page:

“Containment building flooded at Nebraska nuke plant in order to cool fuel rods”

‘80 miles from Nebraska nuclear plant: “Sandbags provide no protection from water coming from underground”

http://enenews.com/
This will scroll farther down the page as new news comes in at the top so you may have to read down the page to find it later.


5 posted on 06/15/2011 12:40:30 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Good thing the reactors were shut down.

Image from Officials hope temporary levee will save Iowa town

6 posted on 06/15/2011 1:48:30 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

A couple years ago I was at Indiantown Airport when 6 sheriffs vehicles showeed up asking what I was doing.
I told them and asked why?
They said some baboso was flying circles around the Saint Lucie Nuclear Power plants coming very very close.
They sent out cops to every airport around to get him.
1000 feet above clearence is needed.


7 posted on 06/15/2011 3:06:55 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher

Right after 9/11, the FAA put out the word prohibiting private pilots from over-flying nuclear power plants, and the Department of Energy removed from their web site the location of all the nuclear power plants. The result was that pilots had no idea whether or not they were violating the law.

Yes, I know. Your government at work. A true Atlas Shrugged moment.


8 posted on 06/15/2011 4:11:41 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: ransomnote

“Containment building flooded at Nebraska nuke plant in order to cool fuel rods” - a very misleading statement.

When a nuclear plant is refueled (about every 18 months), the refueling canal in the containment is flooded to allow transfer of the fuel to and from the reactor vessel and the spent fuel pool. The water cools the fuel during transfer and provides shielding from the radiation.

So, yes, a portion of the containment was flooded, just like it is at every plant.


9 posted on 06/15/2011 5:24:33 AM PDT by bagman
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Hotlanta Mike; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; ...
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No Fly Zone Over Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant Due to “Hazards”

The Federal Aviation Administration issued a temporary flight restriction over the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant until further notice due to “Hazards”. This would normally be a precautionary measure after an electrical fire disabled cooling for the spent fuel rod pool as outlined below. The question is why is this still in effect?

As reported previously, this facility is surrounded by sand bags as the Missouri River rises.

. . . . Photo at # 6.

10 posted on 06/15/2011 6:08:05 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; Attention Surplus Disorder; Quix; ex-Texan; NorwegianViking; Kartographer

video of flooding - Transportation of goods may be compromised.

ALERT OMG Fort Calhoun and Cooper Nuclear Power Plants What is Coming Alert!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_kE3kxHdCE&feature=feedlik

read under the video for original video link and message.

You better stock up and have a bug-out bag read because it going to get MUCH Much worse.


11 posted on 06/15/2011 7:15:04 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: no one in particular

I imagine the thought of an airplane hitting a row of sandbags and flooding the facility is more worrisome than the mosquito-on-a-windshield scenario of one hitting all that concrete in the containment dome.


12 posted on 06/15/2011 7:41:38 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 875 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

ping


13 posted on 06/15/2011 8:30:51 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Whenifhow; LucyT

Thanks.

The plotting thickens.


14 posted on 06/15/2011 8:35:48 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

http://www.ketv.com/r/27392766/detail.html

March 31, 2011 - “Fort Calhoun’s nuclear power plant is one of three reactors across the country that federal regulators said they are most concerned about.

Nuclear Regulatory Commission officials said Fort Calhoun’s reactor is operating safely, but it’s still on the shortlist because they want to make sure it’s prepared to handle major emergencies, like flooding.

Last year, federal regulators questioned the station’s flood protection protocol. NRC officials said they felt the Omaha Public Power District should do more than sandbagging in the event of major flooding along the Missouri river.”


15 posted on 06/15/2011 8:47:15 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bagman

And totally surrounded by floodwaters, with a recent fire, just like all other nuke plants.

Obviously anyone concerned is a nutcase paranoid freak Luddite.


16 posted on 06/15/2011 10:48:55 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Pecos

I like to take visitors for flights around where I live and along the beach is a favorite.
I’ve gone over and around the St. Lucie Nuke plant but keep a very safe distance.
Always feel a little uneasy when near one as I think they have guys armed with stingers just in case and when humans are involved things often get screwed up


17 posted on 06/15/2011 11:27:19 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: little jeremiah

The cited statement is misleading. Someone is intentionally attempting to sow panic by claiming that a routine and planned evolution (flooding the refueling canal) is evidence of some mishap.


18 posted on 06/15/2011 11:40:25 AM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman

Everything’s fine, I’m sure.

Yay Nuke Power!


19 posted on 06/15/2011 11:42:00 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: bagman

Fires and floods are fine, too.

And no nuke plant companies or guvs ever ever lie to people.

Perish the thought!


20 posted on 06/15/2011 11:42:47 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; bagman; TigerLikesRooster

There’s also been talk of the earthen dam breaking. Then what? Another day, they opened the gates and admitted they had no clue where the water was going to spread to. Uh, excuse me, but that’s their job to know and they might want to keep an eye on the low lands, duh. I know first hand when idiots man the gates. You can call them up saying they’re flooding you out and they (sitting behind their computers a couple hours away) will tell you you’re wrong because their gauges 5 miles away aren’t showing that. Then there’s the idiot emergency services who evacuate one side of the river and igore the other side as if it’s a Parting of the Red Sea II and the water knows better than to flood both sides of its banks. Don’t dismiss everything as move along, nothing to see, and the government knows best and will take care of us.

Check out RoosterLikesTiger’s update threads on the Japan Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant continuing disaster after lie after distaster after lie after disaster after lie. More idiots and cya after the fact.


21 posted on 06/15/2011 12:26:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

I’ve been reading about FukuNuku since the second day of the tsunami - finally couldn’t stand the threads here beacuse of all the liars and deniers, went to TB2 where they have excellent news hounds, that Japanese blogger, and another forum with excellent news hounds. Then I slacked off reading for a while due to being overwhelmed.

Just got on TLR’s ping list, and catching up with a bit of the horrific ongoing news. The lies and un-freaking-believable. Guvs and nuke plants will lie til their last breath. SOP for guvs and corporate entities now.


22 posted on 06/15/2011 12:31:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

What’s the TB2? Do tell!

I used to skim a rad tech’s blog for useful information because he showed true regard for the pointless hazards that the Japanese workers were being exposed to, and demanded early to know what the strontium levels were, saying it was unbelievable that they wouldn’t be testing for strontium etc. But - he’s a nuke guy in the end - after 3 core meltdowns were revealed, he said that was ‘good’ in that it showed how sound the design of the reactors were!!!!!!!

You know, once the Soviet citizens realized the depth of their governments’ lies and that the citizens would now be forced to live in radioactively contaminated zones the rest of their lives, eating contaminated food, drinking contaminated water, facing birth defects in newborns - ‘international scientists’ detected high levels of ‘mental illness’ among the survivors. (What a surprise! Why are they depressed?!) This is a favorite detail of nuke apologists because they use this ‘high levels of mental illness’ report to support their sickening claim that the irrational fear of radiation does more harm to (mental) health that actual radiation contamination! You really gotta be conscienceless to make a claim like that! Destroy peoples lives and blame them for making it all up in their heads!
I was thoroughly unprepared for the amount of deception surrounding Fukushima (in the US nuke apologists, gov agencies, and Japan)and I remember some of it from TMI. It’s just seems so much worse now - I guess because the tragedy is so much worse that they show more of themselves now.


23 posted on 06/15/2011 1:27:49 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: justa-hairyape
That's potentially as bad as getting inundated by a tsunami. No quake, but flooding in places that weren't intended to get flooded can cause big problems.
24 posted on 06/15/2011 1:47:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ransomnote

Here’s the TimeBomb2000 ongoing FukuNuku thread, excellent coverage since day 1. They change the title every now and then when there’s new big news.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?380265-Fukushima-Three-Reactor-Cores-Have-Melted-Through-Their-Pressure-Vessels-Post-5908/page149

The Nebraska plant thread which I haven’t looked at much:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?385275-Nebraska-Nuclear-Plant-Emergency-Level-4-amp-About-to-Get-Worse-June-14-2011


25 posted on 06/15/2011 1:55:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Myrddin
Yep. That is what of those, uh oh moments. You mean 500 year historical flooding can occur during the nuclear plants operating license ? What are the odds ? There is also another uh oh moment in the video below. You do not need flooding or a Tsunami to flood a nuclear facility along a river.

Springfield, Massachusetts - Connecticut River TORNADO -incredible!!!

26 posted on 06/15/2011 2:08:11 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

That is what of those...should read...That is one of those,


27 posted on 06/15/2011 2:12:08 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: little jeremiah

A prominent feature of this thread is that the routine flooding of the refueling canal somehow indicates a problem at Ft Calhoun. Also, an extinguished fire is supposed to be significant. I don’t deny that the high water level is to be trifled with.

I guess we’ll have to let the passage of time adjudicate this matter. At the end of June, I rather strongly suspect, we’ll find that Ft Calhoun Station is rather soggy but nothing much else is the matter with it.


28 posted on 06/15/2011 3:51:27 PM PDT by bagman
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To: justa-hairyape
Impressive video. We see waterspouts off the coast of San Diego. Pretty rare for the tornado to hit land here.
29 posted on 06/15/2011 4:52:21 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: bagman

We all hope so. The flooding of that river is supposed to last into next month. Some of the big snow melts are just now getting going. Have no idea what the plan would be if they get flooded and lose power. Evacuating the spent fuel rods would probably be impossible. Anyone know if the new unspent fuel rods are being stored on site ?


30 posted on 06/15/2011 5:26:48 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Trust me. The staff at Ft Calhoun is NOT taking a “let’s hope for the best” approach. Various contingencies are being evaluated and planned for. I can think of many ways to handle a gradual rise in water levels and I don’t think that anyone is suggesting a flash flood.

The plant is in a refueling outage, so fresh fuel is on-site. Whether it is in the vessel, I don’t know. I’m not sure why you would be concerned with fresh fuel. Let me know if you have questions.

Let’s not forget that the Big Muddy is in flood so that its waters are spread over a large area. It will take a massive volume of water to raise the water level appreciably.


31 posted on 06/15/2011 7:06:41 PM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman
Read some reports that there were numerous dams involved and some were very old and constructed in a fashion that has been prone to failure. In fact California outlawed that type of dam. There are also a few simple earth dams that are near full. So there is a lot of uncertainty involved that alone would be a cause for concern with regards to the flooding potential. And of course we have a very deep mountain snow cover that is melting.

There is also apparently a second nuclear plant on the same river that is threatened. Could not find an aerial picture of that one yet.

Always thought the unspent fuel rods were more dangerous then the spent ones. Perhaps you can clarify the situation.

32 posted on 06/15/2011 8:29:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Fresh fuel rods have not been irradiated. Thus, they have no decay heat because no fissions have occurred in them.

The problem in the spent fuel pools at Fukushima Diachi is that the spent fuel was generating a lot of decay heat as a result of the cumulative fissions which the uranium (and plutonium) had accrued. This decay heat, if the heat is not removed, can cause the fuel to heat up and eventually melt.

The fresh fuel is more likely to sustain a chain reaction, but the addition of boric acid easily obviates this possibility. During refueling operations, the boric acid concentration is kept at a sufficiently high level as to preclude a chain reaction. Nuclear detectors are constantly monitored to ensure that a chain reaction is not occurring.


33 posted on 06/15/2011 10:18:56 PM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman
So they use boric acid instead of control rods when dealing with the Fresh Fuel rods that are not installed into a reactor ? Or do they install the fresh rods into some type of control rod transport box ?

According to Wikipedia there are three Nuclear plants located along the Missouri. All have only one working reactor each. No Japanese Cascading issues here.

Fort Calhoun Nuclear Generating Station

Cooper Nuclear Station

Callaway Nuclear Generating Station

34 posted on 06/16/2011 3:05:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Callaway is probably five miles from the Missouri and is situated well above the flood plain. It will not be flooded by the Missouri.

The refueling water has very high levels of boric acid. Any control elements in fresh fuel are in the fresh fuel because of the core design (that is, they will be in the fresh fuel when the reactor operates).

May I commend the following site to your attention?

http://djysrv.blogspot.com/2011/06/spiking-conspiracy-theories-about-ft.html


35 posted on 06/20/2011 2:31:30 PM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman
Fine, so we will store all new Nuclear Reactor rods in your backyard. No problem. Do you have any idea how ridiculously stupid it looks when the US is protecting two old nuclear reactors with rows of sandbags ?

Who the heck built these things ? The Clown Posse ?

36 posted on 06/20/2011 2:53:57 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Who the heck built these things ? The Clown Posse ?

It's been a hard thing for us conservatives to accept that the America we thought we knew not only no longer is, but really never was.

Many still refuse to accept it, hoping that defeating the incumbent figurehead will be enough...but it won't.

37 posted on 06/20/2011 3:16:00 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan AtkNtinson)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
If an aging nuclear plant surrounded by a wall of sandbags does not wake a person from their slumber, nothing will. The advantage the US has is that we did stop building those old plants. The newer plants are safer and if they can be built above flood plains they will be much safer over time. Japan will quickly become a lost cause. France will be absolutely screwed over time. The Russians and the Ukranians, well, they have been screwed for decades. And the NorthEast US is also absolutely screwed due to the density of old nuclear plants. And all those second world countries that allowed US/Japan/French/Russian firms to build nuclear reactors in their country, well.... they might want to rethink that decision.
38 posted on 06/20/2011 3:37:58 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Wouldn’t bother me in the least to have fresh fuel stored in my backyard. No health hazard and it might just be a nifty income stream.

I’m not sure what you have against sandbags.


39 posted on 06/20/2011 5:07:13 PM PDT by bagman
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To: justa-hairyape

Calm down. The most recent nuclear plant to begin operation did so about twenty years ago, so I think that we can characterize all of them as “aging”. These “aging” nuclear plants are running at an average capacity factor of about 90%, which is pretty darn impressive and which is evidence that this “aging” factor that has you so upset probably really isn’t a detriment to safe, efficient, and economic operation.

France, for what it is worth, will be laughing all the way to the bank as it sells electricity throughout Europe because the Germans and the Italians took counsel of their fears.

I am sorry that you have a problem with sandbags.


40 posted on 06/20/2011 5:14:16 PM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman
I’m not sure what you have against sandbags.

Simple. It illustrates the fact that they did not put in permanent protection from worse case flooding. That is a major design flaw for a nuclear plant. Any one of those old dams could have busted open any day in the past. And there would have been no time for sand bagging in such a case.

41 posted on 06/20/2011 8:35:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: bagman
And I am sorry you cannot figure out that sandbags should never be part of the safety plan for a Nuclear Plant. Attitudes like yours will kill thousands. Just a matter of time now.

And we are now holding up the French as role models ? Interesting. You probably used to use the Japanese, I gather ?

42 posted on 06/20/2011 8:43:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Listen to yourself. To get your catastrophe, you’ve got to massively fail a bunch of dams. When in the history of the Republic have we seen a series of dams collapse in such a manner? But yet you seem to think that such a disaster is imminent.


43 posted on 06/21/2011 5:23:23 AM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman

I went to the Updated Safety Analysis Report for Ft Calhoun. The 0.1% probability flood level is estimated to be 1004.2 ft above mean sea level. The plant has passive protection against floods to 1007 ft above MSL. Removable flood protection barriers can be installed to protect to 1014 ft above MSL. The Updated Safety Analysis Report specifically addresses the failure of Oahe or Ft Randall Dams coincident with a flood to 1009.3 ft above MSL (by which I mean the site is flooded to 1009.3 ft and then the dam fails).

The flood level on June 9 was 1004 ft which was the projected maxiumum level predicted on June 6 (the prediction was made on June 6). Checking the US Weather Service website, the flooding at Blair, NE, which is several miles north of the plant, and at Omaha, NE, which is about 20 miles downstream of the plant, is described as moderate.

Sorry to rain on your parade.


44 posted on 06/21/2011 5:59:02 AM PDT by bagman
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To: bagman
You ever hear of terrorism ?

You might also want to read this article to read the facts the MSM, Government and Nuclear Industry are not telling you.

Rising water, falling journalism

45 posted on 06/21/2011 4:24:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I don’t see much substantive in the cited document. Let’s look at it in some detail.

It discusses a “Yellow Finding” by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission issued last October which dealt with mitigating flooding at the Ft Calhoun site and then concedes that the Omaha Public Power District has taken the necessary corrective actions. Sounds like a moot point to me.

It then mentions a fire in an electrical switchgear room which was quickly extinguished. And the significance is...? Fires happen - that’s why the plant has fire suppression and fire fighting capabilities.

It then breathlessly talks about the water releases from dams upstream of the plant. And the point is ....? Earlier in the cited document, the author concedes that the danger is an “instantaneous distingeration” of an upstream dam coincident with an historically-high flood (the 0.1% flood I mentioned in an earlier post). So, looking at the situation at hand, we have moderate flooding in the area, according to the US Weather Service, along with controlled releases from upstream dams. What is the relevance?

The author then addresses burned fuel remaining in the reactor vessel and draws a parallel to Fukushima Diachi. The issue is that radioactive decay continues to produce heat, which must be removed, even after the reactor is shutdown. However, we have several differences between Ft Calhoun and Fukushima Diachi. First, the core lost cooling at Fukushima within a few hours of reactor shutdown, while Ft Calhoun has been shutdown for about two months. The amount of heat being produced decreases substantially with time. One has the luxury of having a great deal more time to restore cooling, if it is lost, at Ft Calhoun due to the amount of time which has passed since the reactor was shutdown for refueling. More technically, the reactor at Ft Calhoun is shutdown and de-pressurized with the appropriate systems in operation. At Fukushima the reactors were still pressurized and had not switched over to the analogous cooling modes [as appropriate for a boiling water reactor (Fukushima) vs a pressurizer water reactor (Ft Calhoun)]. Yes, it’s a geeky point, but it is important.

The author cites a broken link for a paper by Robert Alvarez of the Institute for Policy Studies, a very left-wing outfit. Are we next going to approvingly quote Paul Krugman regarding the necessity of additional stimulus spending? I never thought I’d see the day that the Institute for Policy Studies would be a source for a discussion in the Free Republic.

The author then takes the press to task for failing to provide context for the water levels at Ft Calhoun. Well, I did so yesterday, and, indeed, the author does so as well while conceding that the water level is well below the design level of 1014 ft above mean sea level. The failure of the media to adequately report technical issues is long-standing and in no way indicts the safety of Ft Calhoun. One again wonders what the relevance is.

The remainder of the article is equally tenditious. The entire tone is to breathlessly posit issues while conceding that they have all been taken into account. If you read the article carefully, you will find that it demonstrates that the situation is in hand.

And what about terrorism? What is the concern? An attack to fail a dam upstream of Ft Calhoun, or a attack on Ft Calhoun? The plant is protected by an armed guard force, which routinely carries M-16s. The plant is constructed of hardened concrete structures.

Others have argued that attempting to focus the attention of putative terrorists on nuclear power plants is a good thing, because other, much more vulnerable targets can easily be found. According to this view, the difficulties of successfully attacking a nuclear power plant are high with a low chance of success, while attacks on other facilities could be successful with a high consequences. Perhaps the events of September 11, 2001, give credence to this argument.


46 posted on 06/22/2011 6:10:01 AM PDT by bagman
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