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Need info carrying firearms into Canada on way to Alaska
eastforker ^ | 6/20/11 | eastforker

Posted on 06/20/2011 5:16:46 PM PDT by eastforker

A friend of mine will be traveling to Alaska by car this week.They will be camping on the way. The question is can he legaly carry a firearm into canada with him on his way there.Any help will be greatly appreciated


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; camping; canada; guns
Anyone know the answer to this?
1 posted on 06/20/2011 5:16:48 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: eastforker

I wouldn’t do this if I were you. Canada cracked down hard on foreigners playing with guns up there. You would have an easier time taking a gun through MA.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa012601a.htm


2 posted on 06/20/2011 5:19:38 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: eastforker

From what I understand, no pistols. I may be wrong, but you can easily check online.


3 posted on 06/20/2011 5:20:37 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: eastforker

I don’t know if this info is up to date but looks like a good start

http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/akforum/akhunting/9151.htm


4 posted on 06/20/2011 5:20:43 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: eastforker

Canadians HATE BB guns.. god forbid you should have an actual rife.. you’re screwed if you have a pistol...

They may also may despise water pistols.. and gravy syringes..


5 posted on 06/20/2011 5:20:50 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: eastforker

1. DO NOT bother with trying to present to the US/Canadian border with a handgun. Simply find an FFL from your present location, and have the handguns shipped to a receiving FFL here in the state. There are many FFL’s in almost every community/village that are capable and willing of handling this for you, (at very reasonable expense).

(With many FFL’s, receiving multiple handguns, they will only charge you for one transaction and not each one as a seperate charge..check with your particular FFL)

2. You WILL have to complete the BATFE paperwork to retreive your handguns, including the tele-check process. Just expect this...it’s the law whether we agree with it or not.

3. Long guns: Shotguns, rifles, blackpowder, etc., These can be transported with you AS LONG AS YOU PROPERLY PRESENT the Canadian decleration firearms form already completed upon arrival at the border. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH TO HAVE ALL YOUR DOCUMENTATION COMPLETE BEFORE ARRIVING AT THW BORDER! Contact the RCMP Firearms Registration Dept to obtain the proper customs forms.

( Be prepared in advance to know that your long-gun MUST have a barrel over 18.5’’ long measured from tip of barrel to receiver. Should you own anything shorter than this that you legally obtained here in the US, ship it also as with the handguns. DO NOT have it in your possession at the border station.

4. If you are confused about the process, simply call the RCMP. Dont be that guy that shows up with multiple pistols and restricted frearms per Canadian regulations. This will only create a mess and hold-up for you, including they will deny you entry and possible confiscate your property.

5. Although up to the individual Canadian Customs Officers, be prepared to have the officers inspect your firearms. Although they may not if your paperwork is all in order, expect it anyway. Have them in a locked case/container..obviously unloaded. Do not have any ammunition in the same container as the long-gun.

6. Realize that you are in a foreign nation now, and your same rights enjoyed in the US may not be applicable in Canada. Respect their requirements (you do not have to agree with them as I also do not), but show them respect and that you have attempted to your best ability to satisfy their requirements and this will go a LONG WAY with them at the border.

7. Be forewarned that there are restrictions on types of ammunition and quantities allowed to cross the border. These are broad and technical, if there is doubt about your particular ammo quanity or type....CALL AHEAD AND get the proper info if what you will be importing is allowed.

8. Inform the border officers that you are transversing Canada to get to Alaska and will not be permanetly keeping these weapons on their soil. This is highly important, as the approval paperwork to travel with your guns is usually date specific and limited to a 14 day pass.

9. READ this over and over until you understand.

10. REMEMBER, dont even bother trying to present with handguns. Just ship them via FFL’s to AK. The technical provision and barrel length requirements are too bothersome to fool with from a practical perspective.


6 posted on 06/20/2011 5:21:31 PM PDT by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: irishtenor

So maybe a rifle or shotgun for protection would be ok then?


7 posted on 06/20/2011 5:21:51 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: eastforker

Check the link at post 2. Good info there.


8 posted on 06/20/2011 5:23:52 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: eastforker

I would break down the guns to the point where they aren’t easily recognizable, FedEX them to the address in Alaska where you will be staying, and label the box as “drill parts” or something. They’ll be waiting for you when you get there.


9 posted on 06/20/2011 5:24:14 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: eastforker

Ship them to a FFL in Alaska...all told, it’ll be less hassle and worth the moolah.


10 posted on 06/20/2011 5:25:30 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: eastforker

Have your proper hunting rifle permits and it’s OK, but it’s a long process. Depends on which province as well, but in B.C., they will run a long check on your background, and if you do it in advance, it saves a lot of time at the Border Patrol. If you’re clean, then it should be OK, regardless.

Check out this website and forward it to your friend.

http://www.biggamehunt.net/articles/hunters-guide-crossing-canada-us-border


11 posted on 06/20/2011 5:26:11 PM PDT by Carling (At some point, those surrounding Obama have to realize that they are working for a psychopath)
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To: KoRn

Haha!

Are you trying to get somebody into trouble for gun trafficking?

There are much better (and legal) ways to do it.


12 posted on 06/20/2011 5:27:23 PM PDT by Carling (At some point, those surrounding Obama have to realize that they are working for a psychopath)
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To: irishtenor

Yup, will forward that to friend.


13 posted on 06/20/2011 5:28:16 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Carling

Was just the first thing that came to mind. Didn’t think of the FFL transfer. If trying to ship multiple handguns, someone could run into issues if they are shipping back to one of those ‘x’ number of handguns per month states.


14 posted on 06/20/2011 5:29:16 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: eastforker; All

Thank you everyone for so much info in duch a short period of time, thanks again.


15 posted on 06/20/2011 5:30:04 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: KoRn

>I would break down the guns to the point where they aren’t easily recognizable, FedEX them to the address in Alaska where you will be staying, and label the box as “drill parts” or something. They’ll be waiting for you when you get there<

I’ve done that before. A buddy of mine does the same thing with his Ebay and Amazon jewelry online business. When shipping overseas as MOST countries will confiscate jewelry if not registered properly and to avoid the hassle, he just labels them as “bedroom decoration”.


16 posted on 06/20/2011 5:30:42 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: Carling

I had been skiing at Mont Tremblant in Quebec; entry point in Vermont...had a heck of a time coming *back* into the US with the skis. US Customs gave me a very hard time. They wanted me to prove they weren’t new skis. [They were old actually.] Oi!


17 posted on 06/20/2011 5:31:24 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: eastforker

A friend of mine who travels from Nevada to Alaska always ships his weapons ahead of time to his buddy in Alaska whom he hunts with. He never carries across Canada.


18 posted on 06/20/2011 5:57:50 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: eastforker

I have some gold prospecting friends that go up every summer. It is far easier to take a Canada legal shotgun along for the trip thru Canada, then buy used handguns and ammo up in Alaska. They store them over the winter along with their other equipment.


19 posted on 06/20/2011 6:02:38 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: eastforker

From the CBSA site.
The gov’t here doesn’t even want the locals to have guns!!
If your buddy is coming up next week, I would say he would have had to get started on this in January......

Firearms and weapons
You must declare all weapons and firearms at the CBSA port of entry when you enter Canada. If not, you could face prosecution and the goods may be seized.

For more detailed information on importing a firearm into Canada, see the publication called Importing a Firearm or Weapon Into Canada or call the BIS at one of the telephone numbers listed in the section called “Additional information”.

For information about applying for a Canadian firearms licence or a firearms registration certificate, or to obtain an Application for an Authorization to Transport Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Firearms (Form CAFC 679) in advance, please contact:

Canadian Firearms Program
Ottawa ON K1A 0R2

Telephone: 1-800-731-4000 (toll-free in Canada and the United States)
506-624-5380 (from all other countries)
Fax: 613-825-0297
E-mail: cfp-pcaf@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Web site: www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca


20 posted on 06/20/2011 6:04:57 PM PDT by canuckbuck
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To: eastforker
Google CBSA (Canadian Border Services Agency), the non Canadian link, and Importation of Offensive Weapons. It gives a pdf file. Contacting CBSA, might be a good idea, as well. No pistols, and if he wants to take guns he better be hunting or fishing in a bear area up in Alaska.

If he desperately needs to take guns for some other purpose, drive to Bellingham WA and take the Alaska Ferry. It is supposed to be a beautiful trip this time of year.

21 posted on 06/20/2011 6:12:23 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: eastforker

I agree with the others. You can legally ship a firearm from one state to another to yourself without going through an FFL. Got a friend where you are going? Just ship it to yourself in care of him/her. If you are going on a hunt, ship it to your guide.


22 posted on 06/20/2011 6:44:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: RobertClark

Great advice, but truthfully the first is the best. FFL to FFL is safe, reasonably secure, and no chance for border insanity that can foul you up for days. It would almost be worth it to rent a gun when you got there instead of bringing one with you.

One provision though. You need to ship your guns days before departure if you want to make sure they are there when you arrive. This means unless you know someone in Alaska that will give you a loner, the last days of your visit will be without.


23 posted on 06/20/2011 6:53:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: eastforker

The Canadian Customs folks will freak out on them. Please just trust me on this and find a way to avoid Canada in the equation. The Canadian Customs folks are at this very moment concerned about people taking guns through Canada to AK.


24 posted on 06/20/2011 6:59:02 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: eastforker

Tom Gresham was just talking about this on his show yesterday. He said you can ship handguns overnight to yourself at a FedEx depot near your destination. Don’t know if you can make that whole drive in a day.

Lots of other good info in this thread, though. If it was me I’d ship them to a friend or gun shop I had made prior arrangements with.


25 posted on 06/20/2011 7:57:06 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Thanks WTC, believe it or not this was a last minute road trip for him. I just wanted to get him some info so he could act accordingly. I don’t think he will be traveling armed.


26 posted on 06/20/2011 8:02:50 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: eastforker

Don’t even think about it.


27 posted on 06/20/2011 9:19:32 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Daffynition

Photocopy of receipt, dated picture of you with skis in
USA. Skis don’t have many internal parts, do they?
This must have been really annoying.


28 posted on 06/21/2011 9:21:58 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: cycjec

As I recall, he kept asking for a receipt. My argument in return was something akin to *look at the condition of the skis...they were all nicked and scratched up...how could that have happened, except over a long period of time/ski seasons and use.* plus, that model was no longer manufactured any longer. Meh. Welcome home. Have a nice day.


29 posted on 06/21/2011 9:42:16 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was just going to ask that. It seems that you shouldn’t need to go through an FFL if it isn’t a sale. You ought to be able to send it to a friend to hold for you till you get there.

Now that I think about it... I already did this years ago. I shipped a handgun home, to myself, from Alaska.


30 posted on 06/21/2011 9:57:30 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

No, you don’t need an FFL. You just have to have somewhere to ship it to.


31 posted on 06/21/2011 8:39:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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