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2011 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX - Live Thread
Chode ^ | 6/23/2011 | Chode

Posted on 06/23/2011 6:13:20 PM PDT by Chode

2011 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX

Venue: Valencia, Spain
Date: Sunday 26 June
Lap length: 3.367 miles
Race laps: 57
2010 winner: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
First grand prix: 2008

Fri Sunny 28c

Sat Sunny 29c

Sun Sunny 30c


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: f1; formulaone; grandprix

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1 posted on 06/23/2011 6:13:23 PM PDT by Chode
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To: Chode; atc23; Bad~Rodeo; Betis70; bobby.223; bobt7818; brf1; briankk; cld51860; ColdOne; ...
UP...!!!

2 posted on 06/23/2011 6:14:15 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Stuff...

Former Ferrari driver Eddie Irvine has criticised Lewis Hamilton's recent on- and off-track behaviour. The Northern Irishman said: "I'm a genuine Lewis fan - he's the only guy in F1 at the moment worth watching - but I think he's lost the plot. I don't think he's surrounded by the best people he could be, and I think he's lost respect for the other drivers." Irvine added that his former team-mate Michael Schumacher "has just lost his talent". (Autosport magazine)

McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh has promised his drivers Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button that the team will work tirelessly at the factory to ensure they have a car to challenge championship leader Sebastian Vettel of Red Bull. "We're now into the heart of the season and need to ensure we're regularly delivering performance to the car," said Whitmarsh. "We've shown time and time again this is one of our key strengths, and I'm confident we can continue to deliver."
(Press Association)

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali has urged Felipe Massa to reproduce his determined performance at the Canadian Grand Prix on a regular basis. "In Canada he did a great job because he didn't give up, even in the last few centimetres of the race," said Domenicali. "That is what I want to see from him from now up until the end of the season. It's very important for him, but also for the team." The Brazilian finished sixth in Montreal.
(Press Association)

Three Austin citizens have filed a lawsuit that threatens the 2012 United States Grand Prix. The trio want to prevent plans to use $25m (£15.6m) of public money from the Texas state's Major Event Trust Fund to cover the race fee demanded by Formula 1 chief Bernie Ecclestone.
Full story: Adam Cooper's F1 blog

Force India chief Vijay Mallya has warned his drivers Paul di Resta and Adrian Sutil against overenthusiastic driving after the duo both picked up drive-through penalties for separate incidents in Canada, which blew their chances of scoring points.
Full story: Force India

3 posted on 06/23/2011 6:15:46 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

I think LewHam has been totally disoriented without Uncle Ron around to hover over him. Button (always underrated, underestimated and one of my favorites) has shown himself to be the adult on the team and was poised to take Monaco if the red flag hadn’t let Vettel get fresh tires. Well, OK, Alonso was in a better position to win Monaco, but still....


4 posted on 06/23/2011 6:23:44 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Member Emeritus of Vitriolics Anonymous.)
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To: Chode

We’ve entered the Crap Zone where Fox covers the races instead of Speed, which is bad enough....


5 posted on 06/23/2011 6:25:26 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Member Emeritus of Vitriolics Anonymous.)
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To: Chode

Jimmy Clark will take it this weekend!! (My time machine still works!!).


6 posted on 06/23/2011 7:34:37 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223


7 posted on 06/23/2011 9:07:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: clintonh8r
i heard that...
8 posted on 06/23/2011 9:08:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: clintonh8r

I’m disappointed its not broadcast on Universal Sports.


9 posted on 06/23/2011 9:55:24 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Chode

OT: 24h race going down at the Nürburgring this weekend as well. 210 cars starting! Should be some live streams available.


10 posted on 06/24/2011 8:46:18 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Chode

GREAT pix!!!! My favorite era for F1 cars and drivers!


11 posted on 06/24/2011 11:53:39 AM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Moltke

Boy, was I ever confused: I got that track totally mixed up w/Hockenheimring.


12 posted on 06/24/2011 12:00:19 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: raygun
You wouldn't if you were driving on it! LOL. Most people get confused by the name and think it's somewhere near Nürnberg (Nuremberg), Bavaria (as if it were 'Nürnbergring'). Actually it's in the Eifel mountains between Cologne and Belgium. I try to get a couple of dozen 'tourist laps' in every year. Great fun.

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13 posted on 06/24/2011 2:00:43 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Chode
Seond Practice

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:37.968 35
2 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.195 0.227 26
3 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:38.265 0.297 31
4 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:38.315 0.347 30
5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:38.443 0.475 32
6 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.483 0.515 30
7 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:38.531 0.563 26
8 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:38.981 1.013 33
9 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1:39.040 1.072 35
10 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:39.586 1.618 27
11 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:39.626 1.658 31
12 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:40.020 2.052 34
13 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1:40.301 2.333 34
14 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:40.363 2.395 7
15 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:40.454 2.486 32
16 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:40.531 2.563 37
17 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:42.083 4.115 34
18 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1:42.156 4.188 39
19 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1:42.239 4.271 25
20 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:42.273 4.305 21
21 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1:42.809 4.841 36
22 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1:44.460 6.492 29
23 22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:46.906 8.938 16
24 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari No time 0

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2011/860/6864/


14 posted on 06/24/2011 2:46:40 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bobby.223
and i think that is from the first year at Indy...
15 posted on 06/24/2011 2:48:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Moltke
is there a speed limit?
16 posted on 06/24/2011 2:52:44 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
it was wet so no track record but the Kid REALLY pissed me off by only doing TWO laps... Stewart SMOKED him by 10 seconds too

see the F1-GP thread for my pix if you missed the ping

this is the SWAP from SpeedTV

17 posted on 06/24/2011 3:30:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Moltke
My brain wasn't cogitating on all cylinders. I was perplexed by this weekends EU Grand Prix at Valencia, and July 24th's German Grand Prix at Nürburgring. I was starin' at the track wondering what the heck is that? That's not Circuit de Catalunya! And, no, its not. They already ran that one. And the Valencia course is new, i.e., since 2007.

So when you mentioned LM endurance at Nürburgring this weekend, I noticed the German Grand Prix weekend 24 Jul was also there. So when I looked at that track, I said: what the heck did they do to Hockenheimring???? That's because Nürburgring isn't Hockenheim. What I didn't know was they alternate the German Grand Prix between Nürburgring and Hockenheimring each year.

I'm familiar with German Grand Prix running at Hockenheimring and the EU Grand Prix at Nürburgring (the way it was in the 2002 season). That's the stock scenario in my patched F1 2002 EA Sports race-sim.

So, just, like, ignore me. I'm just so confused.

18 posted on 06/24/2011 3:31:50 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Chode
is there a speed limit?

Nope (other than engine power), except for a few hundred yards close to Breidscheid IIRC, where there is an exit from/to the track. Most just ignore that, but I've heard of people getting a ticket there.

The problem on days with a lot of traffic is that there'll be cars, bikes, real tourists, and the occasional tour bus all going around at vastly different speeds. And most corners are 'blind'...

Some good websites:

Ben Lovejoy had dozens of photo-essays about his trips to the Ring but it looks like he's removed them. www.nurburgring.org.uk

JW still has his stories up: www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/ (the 'RingBunny' -story at site - photographer who took that snap of me).

Funny personal annecdote. Euro Porsche 928 meeting a few years ago. Hotel about 50 miles from the Ring. Had a US friend as a passenger. Getting back to the hotel from the Ring in the evening, all by way of secondary roads and reenacting the rallye Monte Carlo, he said "wow, I can't believe they don't have speed limits on these roads.' Ahem. :-) (Just no cops out there...)

19 posted on 06/24/2011 4:29:28 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Moltke
cool...
20 posted on 06/24/2011 4:45:09 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Moltke

21 posted on 06/24/2011 4:47:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
I don't think he's surrounded by the best people he could be,

The guy gets a chick from Kentucky and the Euros are trashing her?

Lew will have to send her new boss Simon Cowell to kick their @ss.

22 posted on 06/24/2011 4:51:37 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Chode

It’s a loooong lap. And worth every cent of the fee.


23 posted on 06/24/2011 5:20:03 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Chode
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2011/860/6865/

Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:39.116 1:37.305 1:36.975 15
2 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:39.956 1:38.058 1:37.163 19
3 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:39.244 1:37.727 1:37.380 13
4 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:39.725 1:37.930 1:37.454 20
5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:38.413 1:38.566 1:37.535 20
6 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:39.453 1:37.749 1:37.645 14
7 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:39.266 1:38.373 1:38.231 15
8 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:39.198 1:38.365 1:38.240 18
9 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1:39.877 1:38.781 17
10 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:39.329 1:39.034 14
11 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:39.690 1:39.068 14
12 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:39.852 1:39.422 16
13 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:39.602 1:39.489 19
14 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:40.131 1:39.525 17
15 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1:39.690 1:39.645 10
16 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:39.494 1:39.657 13
17 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:39.679 1:39.711 8
18 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:40.232 5
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1:41.664 10
20 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 1:42.234 9
21 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:42.553 9
22 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1:43.584 10
23 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1:43.735 6
24 22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:44.363 9
Q1 107% Time 1:45.301

24 posted on 06/25/2011 8:06:19 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Unstoppable Vettel on pole in Valencia

Sebastian Vettel has seized his eighth pole position from seven Grand Prix weekends in 2011. The German leads an all-Red Bull front row for Sunday’s European Grand Prix in Valencia, with McLaren and Ferrari occupying positions three to six. As the second home driver, Jaime Alguersuari could manage no more than Q1 elimination.

With Jaime Alguersuari being knocked out at the earliest possible point for the third consecutive race, Jarno Trulli spun his Lotus at the final corner and missed a chance to out-qualify team-mate Heikki Kovalainen. With Timo Glock 21st, Vitantonio Liuzzi was able to lodge his Hispania between the two Virgin Racing cars. Webber found himself in a lowly 16th after being baulked by traffic on his quickest lap.

The second phase of the hour was punctuated by a red flag stoppage, with Pastor Maldonado having encountered a technical problem and being forced to stop between Turns 18 and 19. With Rubens Barrichello locking up and running wide at the final corner, this left the Williams duo in 13th and 15th places, each ahead of a Sauber.

Sébastien Buemi could drive to no more than 17th and therefore joins Alguersuari on the ninth row, with Paul di Resta recovering from only ten minutes of track time on Friday to qualify 12th. Ahead, there was a surprise as Adrian Sutil moved ahead of Renault’s Vitaly Petrov and into the top ten shootout.

In a bid to save tyres, Sutil elected not to run in Q3 and therefore starts tenth; this strategy was shadowed by Renault, who brought ninth-placed Heidfeld in after just one lap. After Michael Schumacher expressed his worries on Friday, the seven-time Champion failed to rise above eighth, with team-mate Nico Rosberg managing seventh – just nine thousandths of a second quicker – on his only run.

The battle for pole was seemingly a fight between Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren, although Webber’s clinching of second place bumped Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso down to Row 2, with the quickest still being some four tenths off Vettel’s pole time. With the leading Ferrari and McLaren cars having abandoned their final runs, the German did likewise. Behind, Felipe Massa was able to improve on his final run to demote Jenson Button to sixth.

Vettel’s achievement marks his second consecutive pole in Valencia and 22nd career pole position. He is currently tenth in the all-time pole position standings.

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25 posted on 06/26/2011 12:46:14 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
w00t...!!!
26 posted on 06/26/2011 5:47:26 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 1 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 57 1:39:36.169 1 25
2 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 57 +10.8 secs 4 18
3 2 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 57 +27.2 secs 2 15
4 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 57 +46.1 secs 3 12
5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 57 +51.7 secs 5 10
6 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 57 +60.0 secs 6 8
7 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 57 +98.0 secs 7 6
8 19 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 56 +1 Lap 18 4
9 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 56 +1 Lap 10 2
10 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 56 +1 Lap 9 1
11 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 56 +1 Lap 16
12 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 56 +1 Lap 13
13 18 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 56 +1 Lap 17
14 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 56 +1 Lap 12
15 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 56 +1 Lap 11
16 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 56 +1 Lap 14
17 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 56 +1 Lap 8
18 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 56 +1 Lap 15
19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 55 +2 Laps 19
20 21 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Renault 55 +2 Laps 20
21 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 55 +2 Laps 21
22 25 Jerome d'Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 55 +2 Laps 23
23 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 54 +3 Laps 22
24 22 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 54 +3 Laps 24

27 posted on 06/26/2011 8:07:51 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode


28 posted on 06/26/2011 8:09:25 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

what happen to Schumacher?


29 posted on 06/26/2011 11:42:20 AM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: raygun
he's getting long in the tooth...
30 posted on 06/26/2011 11:53:06 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: raygun
Lost his wing coming out of the pit ... he said it was his own fault he locked up when he saw Petrov coming down on him

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31 posted on 06/26/2011 2:21:36 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Chode
Vettel wins second consecutive European Grand Prix

Sebastian Vettel has picked up his sixth victory from eight races in 2011 by winning Sunday’s European Grand Prix in Valencia, comfortably leading home local favourite Fernando Alonso and team-mate Mark Webber. Second Spanish driver Jaime Alguersuari enjoyed another eighth place as all 24 cars finished for the first time.

Once again, temperatures were up in Valencia on Sunday for what is Europe’s first weekend since the official start of summer. With ambient readings of 28°C (82°F), the track already reached temperatures of 45°C (113°F) when the red lights went out at two o’clock.

A clean start brought no incidents, with the pair of Ferraris enjoying lightning getaways and both challenging Webber for second place. Towards the back of the field, a rocket start for Heikki Kovalainen’s Lotus allowed the Finn to contend with a number of midfield cars.

With Vettel pulling out an immediate lead of over two seconds, Jenson Button made the most of Nico Rosberg’s Mercedes by shooting his McLaren up the inside of Turn 2 on the sixth lap. The 2009 Champion, who experienced a quiet afternoon, remained ahead of the German for sixth and seventh places, not being able to make the most of Felipe Massa for a top five slot. The Brazilian, incidentally, was fortunate not to lose significant ground after a left-rear wheel problem in the pits.

The second Mercedes of Michael Schumacher ran into Vitaly Petrov’s’ Renault exiting the pits on the 15th tour. With a broken front wing, the seven-time World Champion – who finished fourth last time out in Canada – was forced to coast back in before finishing the race in 17th position. As Petrov also dropped down the field, team-mate Nick Heidfeld salvaged something for the Enstone-based squad by picking up the final point in tenth.

An inspired strategy by Alguersuari allowed the Catalan to collect four points for the second time in two weeks. From 18th on the grid, the Toro Rosso driver overhauled team-mate Sébastien Buemi and a selection of other rivals by pitting twice as opposed to the general three-spot plan; using the new Medium compound tyre and forced to defend from Adrian Sutil for the final handful of laps, the Barcelona man was clearly delighted with his result.

At the sharp end, Vettel was only headed during the pit-stop period, with Felipe Massa also enjoying a brief time at the front of the 57-lap race. After overtaking Webber in a brave attempt at Turn 12 on Lap 21, Alonso lost second at the second round of stops before retaking the place as the Australian – self-admittedly – pitted too early third time round.

Not only has Vettel now become the first driver in Formula 1 history to finish in either first or second place across the opening eight races of a season, but Valencia 2011 also marks the first time all cars have finished since Italy 2005 and that 24 competitors have taken the chequered flag.

Vettel hails ‘faultless’ weekend

Sebastian Vettel was overjoyed after taking his sixth win of the season in Valencia on Sunday, leading home Ferrari rival Fernando Alonso and Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber who dropped off in the closing stages due to a gearbox problem. The reigning Champion’s lead never looked under threat after a strong start from pole position, with the German going on to describe his weekend as ‘faultless’.

"Maybe from the outside, at least for myself, it looked like a boring race," Vettel explained. "But I enjoy it so much when it’s between you and the car every single lap, and of course I had some pressure from behind at various times because the strategy was a little bit different from Mark and from Fernando.

"Sometimes they were pitting earlier, sometimes later and even though I had a gap before the stop I came out of the garage and they were quite close again. I was pushing hard but judging the tyres, trying to imagine what the end of the stint could be like, trying to foresee the strategy.

"For some reason I enjoy this track, last year I had a very sooth weekend and again this year from beginning to the end. The team has done a phenomenal job preparing the car, even though we come here every year and we say ‘this might be tricky’ because this track maybe isn’t 100 percent made for us, with no real fast corners.

"But still, we managed to put everything together and it was faultless this weekend so I’m very happy with the result."

Webber: My fault I lost second place
Mark Webber was blaming nobody but himself after losing second place to Fernando Alonso in Sunday's European Grand Prix. Having been passed by the Ferrari on Lap 21, the Australian was able to move ahead at the second round of pit-stops. However, Webber then fell back to the final podium spot as the third and final stops took place.

“I think we should have, but in the end we didn’t,” the Red Bull driver said in the post-race press conference when asked if he could have finished second today.

“It was a good race with Fernando and was probably my best race of the year, to be honest. We tried to go as fast as possible and manage the tyres.

“It was my fault, basically – I was worried about Fernando coming underneath me around the stops and it was not known how the Medium tyres would perform. I lost out and it was my fault to miss second today, as Fernando stayed out longer.

“At the end the gearbox was playing up, but we had a massive gap back to the McLarens so we were able to coast to the end.”

The British Grand Prix, Round 9 of 2011, will be staged at Silverstone in a fortnight’s time

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32 posted on 06/26/2011 2:22:27 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: raygun
Petrov incident cost me points, says Schumacher

Michael Schumacher believes he could have added to his championship points tally if it wasn’t for an incident with Renault’s Vitaly Petrov in Valencia on Sunday. The Mercedes GP driver damaged his front wing after making contact with the Russian on Lap 15, forcing another visit to the pit lane en route to 17th place at the chequered flag.

"Not a very satisfying race for me today," the seven-time Champion began. "The outcome was decided after Lap 15 when I slid into Petrov and lost the points I could perhaps have achieved.

"Our race pace should have allowed me to finish more or less where I started, but that is only speculation after the incident. I saw Petrov quite late, even though I was aware that he was coming, and tried to brake as late as possible and go round the corner with him.

"But when I wanted to draw back, I locked the front wheel and slipped into him, which was clearly my mistake. From then onwards, the race was done and I just had to drive the car over the finish line. We will now look ahead to Silverstone which is one of our home races."

Team-mate and compatriot Nico Rosberg, who claimed six points, added: "I'm happy with my seventh place today as that is the maximum that we could have achieved and we got everything out of the car. It was great to overtake Jenson (Button) at the start, and we made the right strategy choice to go for three stops.

"The introduction of DRS was a positive for the race here in Valencia, and we saw some nice overtaking moves. Now we need to keep pushing for our two home races to close the gap to the fastest teams. I'm sure the whole team will work very hard before Silverstone, and I look forward to racing in front of so many people from the team and their families."

Petrov: Luckily, I saw Schumacher coming

Vitaly Petrov was pleased to have spotted Michael Schumacher in his wing mirrors during Sunday’s European Grand Prix in Valencia, with the Mercedes having exiting the pits and lightly tagged the back of his Renault. As the Russian - who was not affected by the incident – went on to claim 15th place, team-mate Nick Heidfeld picked up the final point in tenth.

“The incident with Schumacher did not cause a puncture,” Petrov explained after the race. “He seemed to exit the pits very quickly and did not seem to be able to stop his car coming into the first corner. Luckily, I saw him in my mirror but there was still some contact. We need to sit down now and carefully analyse where and why we are losing pace so we can have a better race at Silverstone.”

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33 posted on 06/26/2011 2:38:28 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee

Thanx for that update.

That tire is a hoot. I’m certain that’s driving around on the marbles after the race was over. As far as I understand they do that deliberately so as to ensure the car is above minimum weight specs (by picking up all the detritus they can on their tires).


34 posted on 06/26/2011 2:44:35 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: raygun
“The incident with Schumacher did not cause a puncture,” Petrov explained after the race. “He seemed to exit the pits very quickly and did not seem to be able to stop his car coming into the first corner. Luckily, I saw him in my mirror but there was still some contact.”

Translation: Cold tires poor grip as Schumacher came out of the pit

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35 posted on 06/26/2011 2:47:15 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee


36 posted on 06/26/2011 3:05:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
it is a great sport LOL

I'm not thrilled when it's broadcast on the local FOX affiliate twice a year

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37 posted on 06/26/2011 3:50:38 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
How much weight do you think they're picking up on all 4 times by doing that? A kilo? That's how tight those cars are; they want to make sure they're legal weight after the race.
38 posted on 06/26/2011 3:52:13 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: raygun
I would guess you can pick up a couple of pounds of clag or marbles ... 4 big beefy sticky wide tires. .... would a pound or two per tire be out of the question? ... not as it looks here

F1 cars are made of carbon fiber and other ultra-lightweight materials so every bit of weight is significant.

I think ??? the minimum start weight is 620 kg (1,367 lb) including the driver & fluids - I seem to remember Shell was working on light weight fuels for Ferrari

At the end of a race when the fuel is low, the tires are worn, the brake pads and discs have worn down and the driver has lost weight through loss of fluids, the overall package must still weigh at least 600kgs ???

They engineer their weights to such a degree that once a race is over every little bit of weight counts.

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39 posted on 06/26/2011 4:10:51 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Chode
these work for me too

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40 posted on 06/26/2011 4:15:32 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Unless my rememberer has experienced an ionizing radiation single-event latchup, I believe they use depleted uranium as ballast to get the car up to start-specs. SO, yeah, every oz at the end of the race counts dearly.
41 posted on 06/26/2011 4:48:47 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Elle Bee
I looked it up:

The weight of the car must not be less than 640kg at all times during the event. For 2011 only, the weight applied on the front and rear wheels must not be less than 291kg and 342kg respectively at all times during the qualifying practice session

If, when required for checking, a car is not already fitted with dry-weather tyres, it will be weighed on a set of dry-weather tyres.

42 posted on 06/26/2011 6:01:42 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Elle Bee

Oh yeah. These two look better than some of the young-uns (IMO).

Boring race though, except when Alonso had that awesome pit stop and was able to stay in front of Webber.

Fox coverage blew. No pre-race, and only Vettel in the post-race. Weak.

Montreal took too long last race, so my DVR didn’t pick up the ending.


43 posted on 06/26/2011 6:31:49 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: Betis70
SPEED replays the race with their own coverage on ... I think Tuesdays .... after a FOX fiasco

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44 posted on 06/26/2011 9:31:44 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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