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Posted on 06/23/2011 6:13:20 PM PDT by Chode
2011 EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX
Venue: Valencia, Spain
Date: Sunday 26 June
Lap length: 3.367 miles
Race laps: 57
2010 winner: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
First grand prix: 2008
Fri Sunny 28c
Sat Sunny 29c
Sun Sunny 30c
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Former Ferrari driver Eddie Irvine has criticised Lewis Hamilton's recent on- and off-track behaviour. The Northern Irishman said: "I'm a genuine Lewis fan - he's the only guy in F1 at the moment worth watching - but I think he's lost the plot. I don't think he's surrounded by the best people he could be, and I think he's lost respect for the other drivers." Irvine added that his former team-mate Michael Schumacher "has just lost his talent". (Autosport magazine)
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh has promised his drivers Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button that the team will work tirelessly at the factory to ensure they have a car to challenge championship leader Sebastian Vettel of Red Bull. "We're now into the heart of the season and need to ensure we're regularly delivering performance to the car," said Whitmarsh. "We've shown time and time again this is one of our key strengths, and I'm confident we can continue to deliver."
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali has urged Felipe Massa to reproduce his determined performance at the Canadian Grand Prix on a regular basis. "In Canada he did a great job because he didn't give up, even in the last few centimetres of the race," said Domenicali. "That is what I want to see from him from now up until the end of the season. It's very important for him, but also for the team." The Brazilian finished sixth in Montreal.
Three Austin citizens have filed a lawsuit that threatens the 2012 United States Grand Prix. The trio want to prevent plans to use $25m (£15.6m) of public money from the Texas state's Major Event Trust Fund to cover the race fee demanded by Formula 1 chief Bernie Ecclestone.
Full story: Adam Cooper's F1 blog
Force India chief Vijay Mallya has warned his drivers Paul di Resta and Adrian Sutil against overenthusiastic driving after the duo both picked up drive-through penalties for separate incidents in Canada, which blew their chances of scoring points.
Full story: Force India
I think LewHam has been totally disoriented without Uncle Ron around to hover over him. Button (always underrated, underestimated and one of my favorites) has shown himself to be the adult on the team and was poised to take Monaco if the red flag hadn’t let Vettel get fresh tires. Well, OK, Alonso was in a better position to win Monaco, but still....
We’ve entered the Crap Zone where Fox covers the races instead of Speed, which is bad enough....
Jimmy Clark will take it this weekend!! (My time machine still works!!).
I’m disappointed its not broadcast on Universal Sports.
OT: 24h race going down at the Nürburgring this weekend as well. 210 cars starting! Should be some live streams available.
GREAT pix!!!! My favorite era for F1 cars and drivers!
Boy, was I ever confused: I got that track totally mixed up w/Hockenheimring.
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|11||14||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||1:39.626||1.658||31|
|14||15||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||1:40.363||2.395||7|
|24||19||Jaime Alguersuari||STR-Ferrari||No time||0|
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So when you mentioned LM endurance at Nürburgring this weekend, I noticed the German Grand Prix weekend 24 Jul was also there. So when I looked at that track, I said: what the heck did they do to Hockenheimring???? That's because Nürburgring isn't Hockenheim. What I didn't know was they alternate the German Grand Prix between Nürburgring and Hockenheimring each year.
I'm familiar with German Grand Prix running at Hockenheimring and the EU Grand Prix at Nürburgring (the way it was in the 2002 season). That's the stock scenario in my patched F1 2002 EA Sports race-sim.
So, just, like, ignore me. I'm just so confused.
Nope (other than engine power), except for a few hundred yards close to Breidscheid IIRC, where there is an exit from/to the track. Most just ignore that, but I've heard of people getting a ticket there.
The problem on days with a lot of traffic is that there'll be cars, bikes, real tourists, and the occasional tour bus all going around at vastly different speeds. And most corners are 'blind'...
Some good websites:
Ben Lovejoy had dozens of photo-essays about his trips to the Ring but it looks like he's removed them. www.nurburgring.org.uk
JW still has his stories up: www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/ (the 'RingBunny' -story at site - photographer who took that snap of me).
Funny personal annecdote. Euro Porsche 928 meeting a few years ago. Hotel about 50 miles from the Ring. Had a US friend as a passenger. Getting back to the hotel from the Ring in the evening, all by way of secondary roads and reenacting the rallye Monte Carlo, he said "wow, I can't believe they don't have speed limits on these roads.' Ahem. :-) (Just no cops out there...)
The guy gets a chick from Kentucky and the Euros are trashing her?
Lew will have to send her new boss Simon Cowell to kick their @ss.
It’s a loooong lap. And worth every cent of the fee.
|10||14||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||1:39.329||1:39.034||14|
|12||15||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||1:39.852||1:39.422||16|
|Q1 107% Time||1:45.301|
Sebastian Vettel has seized his eighth pole position from seven Grand Prix weekends in 2011. The German leads an all-Red Bull front row for Sundays European Grand Prix in Valencia, with McLaren and Ferrari occupying positions three to six. As the second home driver, Jaime Alguersuari could manage no more than Q1 elimination.
With Jaime Alguersuari being knocked out at the earliest possible point for the third consecutive race, Jarno Trulli spun his Lotus at the final corner and missed a chance to out-qualify team-mate Heikki Kovalainen. With Timo Glock 21st, Vitantonio Liuzzi was able to lodge his Hispania between the two Virgin Racing cars. Webber found himself in a lowly 16th after being baulked by traffic on his quickest lap.
The second phase of the hour was punctuated by a red flag stoppage, with Pastor Maldonado having encountered a technical problem and being forced to stop between Turns 18 and 19. With Rubens Barrichello locking up and running wide at the final corner, this left the Williams duo in 13th and 15th places, each ahead of a Sauber.
Sébastien Buemi could drive to no more than 17th and therefore joins Alguersuari on the ninth row, with Paul di Resta recovering from only ten minutes of track time on Friday to qualify 12th. Ahead, there was a surprise as Adrian Sutil moved ahead of Renaults Vitaly Petrov and into the top ten shootout.
In a bid to save tyres, Sutil elected not to run in Q3 and therefore starts tenth; this strategy was shadowed by Renault, who brought ninth-placed Heidfeld in after just one lap. After Michael Schumacher expressed his worries on Friday, the seven-time Champion failed to rise above eighth, with team-mate Nico Rosberg managing seventh just nine thousandths of a second quicker on his only run.
The battle for pole was seemingly a fight between Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren, although Webbers clinching of second place bumped Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso down to Row 2, with the quickest still being some four tenths off Vettels pole time. With the leading Ferrari and McLaren cars having abandoned their final runs, the German did likewise. Behind, Felipe Massa was able to improve on his final run to demote Jenson Button to sixth.
Vettels achievement marks his second consecutive pole in Valencia and 22nd career pole position. He is currently tenth in the all-time pole position standings.
|2||5||Fernando Alonso||Ferrari||57||+10.8 secs||4||18|
|3||2||Mark Webber||RBR-Renault||57||+27.2 secs||2||15|
|4||3||Lewis Hamilton||McLaren-Mercedes||57||+46.1 secs||3||12|
|5||6||Felipe Massa||Ferrari||57||+51.7 secs||5||10|
|6||4||Jenson Button||McLaren-Mercedes||57||+60.0 secs||6||8|
|7||8||Nico Rosberg||Mercedes||57||+98.0 secs||7||6|
|8||19||Jaime Alguersuari||STR-Ferrari||56||+1 Lap||18||4|
|9||14||Adrian Sutil||Force India-Mercedes||56||+1 Lap||10||2|
|10||9||Nick Heidfeld||Renault||56||+1 Lap||9||1|
|11||17||Sergio Perez||Sauber-Ferrari||56||+1 Lap||16|
|12||11||Rubens Barrichello||Williams-Cosworth||56||+1 Lap||13|
|13||18||Sebastien Buemi||STR-Ferrari||56||+1 Lap||17|
|14||15||Paul di Resta||Force India-Mercedes||56||+1 Lap||12|
|15||10||Vitaly Petrov||Renault||56||+1 Lap||11|
|16||16||Kamui Kobayashi||Sauber-Ferrari||56||+1 Lap||14|
|17||7||Michael Schumacher||Mercedes||56||+1 Lap||8|
|18||12||Pastor Maldonado||Williams-Cosworth||56||+1 Lap||15|
|19||20||Heikki Kovalainen||Lotus-Renault||55||+2 Laps||19|
|20||21||Jarno Trulli||Lotus-Renault||55||+2 Laps||20|
|21||24||Timo Glock||Virgin-Cosworth||55||+2 Laps||21|
|22||25||Jerome d'Ambrosio||Virgin-Cosworth||55||+2 Laps||23|
|23||23||Vitantonio Liuzzi||HRT-Cosworth||54||+3 Laps||22|
|24||22||Narain Karthikeyan||HRT-Cosworth||54||+3 Laps||24|
what happen to Schumacher?
Sebastian Vettel has picked up his sixth victory from eight races in 2011 by winning Sundays European Grand Prix in Valencia, comfortably leading home local favourite Fernando Alonso and team-mate Mark Webber. Second Spanish driver Jaime Alguersuari enjoyed another eighth place as all 24 cars finished for the first time.
Once again, temperatures were up in Valencia on Sunday for what is Europes first weekend since the official start of summer. With ambient readings of 28°C (82°F), the track already reached temperatures of 45°C (113°F) when the red lights went out at two oclock.
A clean start brought no incidents, with the pair of Ferraris enjoying lightning getaways and both challenging Webber for second place. Towards the back of the field, a rocket start for Heikki Kovalainens Lotus allowed the Finn to contend with a number of midfield cars.
With Vettel pulling out an immediate lead of over two seconds, Jenson Button made the most of Nico Rosbergs Mercedes by shooting his McLaren up the inside of Turn 2 on the sixth lap. The 2009 Champion, who experienced a quiet afternoon, remained ahead of the German for sixth and seventh places, not being able to make the most of Felipe Massa for a top five slot. The Brazilian, incidentally, was fortunate not to lose significant ground after a left-rear wheel problem in the pits.
The second Mercedes of Michael Schumacher ran into Vitaly Petrovs Renault exiting the pits on the 15th tour. With a broken front wing, the seven-time World Champion who finished fourth last time out in Canada was forced to coast back in before finishing the race in 17th position. As Petrov also dropped down the field, team-mate Nick Heidfeld salvaged something for the Enstone-based squad by picking up the final point in tenth.
An inspired strategy by Alguersuari allowed the Catalan to collect four points for the second time in two weeks. From 18th on the grid, the Toro Rosso driver overhauled team-mate Sébastien Buemi and a selection of other rivals by pitting twice as opposed to the general three-spot plan; using the new Medium compound tyre and forced to defend from Adrian Sutil for the final handful of laps, the Barcelona man was clearly delighted with his result.
At the sharp end, Vettel was only headed during the pit-stop period, with Felipe Massa also enjoying a brief time at the front of the 57-lap race. After overtaking Webber in a brave attempt at Turn 12 on Lap 21, Alonso lost second at the second round of stops before retaking the place as the Australian self-admittedly pitted too early third time round.
Not only has Vettel now become the first driver in Formula 1 history to finish in either first or second place across the opening eight races of a season, but Valencia 2011 also marks the first time all cars have finished since Italy 2005 and that 24 competitors have taken the chequered flag.
Vettel hails faultless weekend
Sebastian Vettel was overjoyed after taking his sixth win of the season in Valencia on Sunday, leading home Ferrari rival Fernando Alonso and Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber who dropped off in the closing stages due to a gearbox problem. The reigning Champions lead never looked under threat after a strong start from pole position, with the German going on to describe his weekend as faultless.
"Maybe from the outside, at least for myself, it looked like a boring race," Vettel explained. "But I enjoy it so much when its between you and the car every single lap, and of course I had some pressure from behind at various times because the strategy was a little bit different from Mark and from Fernando.
"Sometimes they were pitting earlier, sometimes later and even though I had a gap before the stop I came out of the garage and they were quite close again. I was pushing hard but judging the tyres, trying to imagine what the end of the stint could be like, trying to foresee the strategy.
"For some reason I enjoy this track, last year I had a very sooth weekend and again this year from beginning to the end. The team has done a phenomenal job preparing the car, even though we come here every year and we say this might be tricky because this track maybe isnt 100 percent made for us, with no real fast corners.
"But still, we managed to put everything together and it was faultless this weekend so Im very happy with the result."
Webber: My fault I lost second place
Mark Webber was blaming nobody but himself after losing second place to Fernando Alonso in Sunday's European Grand Prix. Having been passed by the Ferrari on Lap 21, the Australian was able to move ahead at the second round of pit-stops. However, Webber then fell back to the final podium spot as the third and final stops took place.
I think we should have, but in the end we didnt, the Red Bull driver said in the post-race press conference when asked if he could have finished second today.
It was a good race with Fernando and was probably my best race of the year, to be honest. We tried to go as fast as possible and manage the tyres.
It was my fault, basically I was worried about Fernando coming underneath me around the stops and it was not known how the Medium tyres would perform. I lost out and it was my fault to miss second today, as Fernando stayed out longer.
At the end the gearbox was playing up, but we had a massive gap back to the McLarens so we were able to coast to the end.
The British Grand Prix, Round 9 of 2011, will be staged at Silverstone in a fortnights time
Michael Schumacher believes he could have added to his championship points tally if it wasnt for an incident with Renaults Vitaly Petrov in Valencia on Sunday. The Mercedes GP driver damaged his front wing after making contact with the Russian on Lap 15, forcing another visit to the pit lane en route to 17th place at the chequered flag.
"Not a very satisfying race for me today," the seven-time Champion began. "The outcome was decided after Lap 15 when I slid into Petrov and lost the points I could perhaps have achieved.
"Our race pace should have allowed me to finish more or less where I started, but that is only speculation after the incident. I saw Petrov quite late, even though I was aware that he was coming, and tried to brake as late as possible and go round the corner with him.
"But when I wanted to draw back, I locked the front wheel and slipped into him, which was clearly my mistake. From then onwards, the race was done and I just had to drive the car over the finish line. We will now look ahead to Silverstone which is one of our home races."
Team-mate and compatriot Nico Rosberg, who claimed six points, added: "I'm happy with my seventh place today as that is the maximum that we could have achieved and we got everything out of the car. It was great to overtake Jenson (Button) at the start, and we made the right strategy choice to go for three stops.
"The introduction of DRS was a positive for the race here in Valencia, and we saw some nice overtaking moves. Now we need to keep pushing for our two home races to close the gap to the fastest teams. I'm sure the whole team will work very hard before Silverstone, and I look forward to racing in front of so many people from the team and their families."
Petrov: Luckily, I saw Schumacher coming
Vitaly Petrov was pleased to have spotted Michael Schumacher in his wing mirrors during Sundays European Grand Prix in Valencia, with the Mercedes having exiting the pits and lightly tagged the back of his Renault. As the Russian - who was not affected by the incident went on to claim 15th place, team-mate Nick Heidfeld picked up the final point in tenth.
The incident with Schumacher did not cause a puncture, Petrov explained after the race. He seemed to exit the pits very quickly and did not seem to be able to stop his car coming into the first corner. Luckily, I saw him in my mirror but there was still some contact. We need to sit down now and carefully analyse where and why we are losing pace so we can have a better race at Silverstone.
Thanx for that update.
That tire is a hoot. I’m certain that’s driving around on the marbles after the race was over. As far as I understand they do that deliberately so as to ensure the car is above minimum weight specs (by picking up all the detritus they can on their tires).
Translation: Cold tires poor grip as Schumacher came out of the pit
I'm not thrilled when it's broadcast on the local FOX affiliate twice a year
F1 cars are made of carbon fiber and other ultra-lightweight materials so every bit of weight is significant.
I think ??? the minimum start weight is 620 kg (1,367 lb) including the driver & fluids - I seem to remember Shell was working on light weight fuels for Ferrari
At the end of a race when the fuel is low, the tires are worn, the brake pads and discs have worn down and the driver has lost weight through loss of fluids, the overall package must still weigh at least 600kgs ???
They engineer their weights to such a degree that once a race is over every little bit of weight counts.
The weight of the car must not be less than 640kg at all times during the event. For 2011 only, the weight applied on the front and rear wheels must not be less than 291kg and 342kg respectively at all times during the qualifying practice session
If, when required for checking, a car is not already fitted with dry-weather tyres, it will be weighed on a set of dry-weather tyres.
Oh yeah. These two look better than some of the young-uns (IMO).
Boring race though, except when Alonso had that awesome pit stop and was able to stay in front of Webber.
Fox coverage blew. No pre-race, and only Vettel in the post-race. Weak.
Montreal took too long last race, so my DVR didn’t pick up the ending.