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Officer Safety (The arrest of Whitey Bulger, suspect in 19 murders)
The Agitator ^ | 06/23/2011 | Radley Balko

Posted on 06/24/2011 9:28:31 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

Officer safety is usually cited as the main justification for the mass proliferation of SWAT teams over the last 30 years. Police say forced entry, flash grenades, and other paramilitary tactics are the only way offers can protect themselves while serving warrants on dangerous people like suspected pot dealers, poker players, optometrists who wager on football games, frail 69-year-old men suspected of selling painkillers, and women suspected of committing fraud on their student loan applications—to give just a few examples.

But what happens when police need to apprehend a genuinely dangerous person? We see this over and over: They don’t always send the SWAT team. And when they do, like they did in Columbine, the SWAT team sometimes waits outside until the shooting is over. So this week we had Whitey Bulger. He’s a suspect in at least 19 murders. He had 20 guns in his home when police apprehended him. So how did they do it? Once again, they didn’t send a SWAT team barreling into his home. Instead, they lured him out with a phone call, then arrested him peacefully.

Perhaps if they thought he had some pot in the house, it might have gone down differently.


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1 posted on 06/24/2011 9:28:36 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

It is amazing how well old school, common sense police tactics work when they try them.


2 posted on 06/24/2011 9:31:59 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

he must not have had a dog to shoot.


3 posted on 06/24/2011 9:31:59 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They (SWAT) only break in and murder innocent people who they believe won’t shoot back.


4 posted on 06/24/2011 9:34:12 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Great post.


5 posted on 06/24/2011 9:42:38 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

David Koresh in Waco was arrested on a MURDER warrant a few years before the ATF chinese fire drill. He won in court.

The arrest on the murderwarrant was done with two McClennon county deputies in sport jackets, knocking on the door with an arrest warrant.


6 posted on 06/24/2011 9:43:36 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Republic of Texas

I’m sure they do it because the love the drama of it all.

How dull is arresting a guy carrying a meal out of McDonald?


7 posted on 06/24/2011 9:51:26 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: jospehm20
It is amazing how well old school, common sense police tactics work when they try them.

But those tactics do not give any joy to the knuckle dragging adrenaline junkies with small d!¢k$ who join the force so they can blow stuff up and carry an M-16 to compensate for their 'shortcomings'.

"We got the toys and by gum we're gonna use 'em! You will respect my authoritah!"


8 posted on 06/24/2011 9:53:28 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Why not mail this story over to the Mayor and Chief of Police?


9 posted on 06/24/2011 9:56:14 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: DesertRhino
David Koresh in Waco was arrested on a MURDER warrant a few years before the ATF chinese fire drill

No he wasn't. That arrest was on a far less serious charge. "Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?"

And Koresh was actually arrested by the sheriff phoning him and telling him to surrender. He did.

10 posted on 06/24/2011 10:01:58 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: DesertRhino

The sheriff in Waco claimed he could have gotten Koresh to come to town for a sit down at any time. There was absolutely no need for that jackboot operation.


11 posted on 06/24/2011 10:02:31 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (We .. have a purpose .. no longer to please every dictator with a vote at the UN. PM Harper)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It was my understanding that Koresh and several others made a weekly trip to Wal-Mart or Sams Club for food, like clock work once a week. And the Sheriff tried to tell the ATF they could pick him up then.


12 posted on 06/24/2011 10:08:08 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: B4Ranch

Great idea, every FReeper should do it in their home town.

This happened in CA, didn’t it?


13 posted on 06/24/2011 10:17:44 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I hope there are some red faces at the Boston FBI office. They supposedly protected Whitey for years. Rat ‘em out, Whitey.


14 posted on 06/24/2011 10:28:27 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Oztrich Boy

You’re right,, it was ATTEMPTED murder. NOt Murder,, but only marginally less serious. The point, is that he was arrested without incident on an attenmpted nurder charge,,,which was far more serious than anything ATF was trying to arrest him for.


15 posted on 06/24/2011 10:31:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: ozzymandus
I hope there are some red faces at the Boston FBI office. They supposedly protected Whitey for years. Rat ‘em out, Whitey.

For those who want to know what Whitey was involved in.

From noted Whitey / Winter Hill expert Howie Carr.

http://www.wrko.com/whitey-watch

16 posted on 06/24/2011 10:40:48 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: DesertRhino

Koresh was in the habit of visiting the local town markets alone every week. They did not want him. They wanted a show and got it.


17 posted on 06/24/2011 10:45:25 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: DesertRhino
Yeah. I know it's only marginally less serious. My reference was to The Simpsons episode where Sideshow Bob claims to have been imprisoned for a crime never even committed- "Attempted murder"
18 posted on 06/24/2011 10:46:37 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

In addition, the ATF had an undercover working inside the Davidian compound who told the guy in charge of the raid that it was all blown, that the Davidians knew about the raid. And still they came.


19 posted on 06/24/2011 10:54:09 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
optometrists who wager on football games

http://reason.com/archives/2011/01/17/justice-for-sal

"Shortly after the release of Rohrer's report, Sal and Anita Culosi filed a federal lawsuit against Bullock, Rohrer, and Fairfax County, charging that Bullock had violated Culosi's civil rights and that Rohrer and Fairfax County were negligent in training and had implemented bad policies that resulted in Culosi's death. The courts eventually removed Rohrer and Fairfax County from the lawsuit—a tough blow because the Culosis told me one of their main goals was to change the way Fairfax County uses its SWAT team. They could not comprehend why an optometrist with no criminal record who was accused of gambling on football games would merit a SWAT team. According to Rohrer's report, 46 percent of all search warrants in the county are served with SWAT teams. (A department spokesperson said shortly after the shooting that SWAT teams were used to serve all of the county’s warrants.)"

"The same year Fairfax County taxpayers paid for the five-month-long investigation into Sal Culosi’s casual wagering, Virginia's government spent $20 million promoting the state lottery."

20 posted on 06/24/2011 10:58:12 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They busted a flea market yesterday in Memphis. TWO SWAT teams, Homeland Security, FBI, county, and city cops to arrest people selling fake stuff.


21 posted on 06/24/2011 11:12:34 AM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

When there’s no case to ruin, why follow the rules? Guereña (Arizona) evidence wasn’t of value so blast away!


22 posted on 06/24/2011 11:15:53 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: DesertRhino

Attempted murder — since when is incompetence a defense?


23 posted on 06/24/2011 11:24:10 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: ozzymandus
I hope there are some red faces at the Boston FBI office. They supposedly protected Whitey for years.

That faction had to know where he was. 15 years in Santa Monica and the FBI couldn't find him? Whitey's brother Billy, former MA Senate president and now UMASS president has known the entire time as well. Take that to the bank. So glad I left that pig sty of a commonwealth 20 years ago.

24 posted on 06/24/2011 11:25:29 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Yes, Santa Monica


25 posted on 06/24/2011 11:31:34 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Excellent points!


26 posted on 06/24/2011 11:49:31 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Flea Market raided, hundreds arrested.
http://www.wmctv.com/story/14965004/large-raid-at-third-street-flea-market


27 posted on 06/24/2011 11:49:40 AM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Excellent post, TMMT.

Just in time before they ban your posting again. LOL! This board just ain’t the same without your posts.

We got SWAT in this silly little town of 15,000 in rural NH.


29 posted on 06/24/2011 12:02:09 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Thanks... I’m sure I’ll ruffle many feathers again.

You know, the cop hater that I am-n-all


30 posted on 06/24/2011 12:12:37 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: MNDude
I’m sure they do it because the love the drama of it all. How dull is arresting a guy carrying a meal out of McDonald?

The key problem today is the rise of the influence of police unions and training. The emphasis is now on protecting the officers rather than the citizens. When a person applies to be an LEO they are fully aware of the potential danger inherent in the job. They know their job is to protect the citizens and that it might be dangerous.

Enter the police unions. What is their purpose? Why does a policeman need a union? In most cases they don't but since the unions exist the union leaders must show their value. They claim their job is to make the officers jobs easier, less dangerous, and to increase their income, just the opposite of the traditional police force. That was the reason for the creation of SWAT.

In some cases they may be useful in preventing the good ole boy cliques on some forces but the danger is they will just replace the old clique with a new one, them.

Look at police training and remember what you see on TV. Usually, the first thing you see, if there is deemed the slightest example of non-compliance with an officer's orders, is multiple police with guns drawn and pointed at the alleged perp while yelling "Get on the ground!! Get on the ground!!" Then they pounce on the victim, often with their knees in their back, grab their hands and yank them behind them and cuff them. This is their training.

Yet, we know that most of those situations could have been handled a lot differently and with a much better outcome. To add insult to injury the officers usually tack on additional charges of resisting arrest, interfering with n officer, etc., to whatever the initial charge was.

This all creates disrespect and often fear of the police. Is that the intent?

One other beef. Policemen and firemen do have jobs that can be dangerous but to consider them the same as soldiers on the battlefield is a wrong perception. The majority of policemen and firemen never get near danger their entire careers. I was a fireman at one time but left due to boredom. After two years, all my station had done was go on a few false alarms and to one fire at an abandoned house in a field. It seems that at the Captain's lack of instructions one way or the other, the intent was to let the house burn down. We did just as I see many fire crews do on the news today, pour water on the top of the flames licking out of the roof, where it does no good at all, and ignore the source of the fire where it could be extinguished. Is the intent to put out the fire or to keep firemen safe?

If there are people in the houses or buildings, firemen are often very brave in going in after them. In those situations and for those particular men, I applaud them.

Most LEOs sit in cars, direct traffic, walk a short beat (rarely now), stand inside a bank or jewelry store, man a desk, etc. Few, and not often, are in the line of fire. Sometimes policemen risk their lives to save others from a variety of situations. I applaud them!

However, since occasionally one will get killed or severely injured, and they never know who, when, where or how, we must consider them all the same and respect their contribution, even the majority who skate through their careers.

31 posted on 06/24/2011 12:38:47 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Great thread, thanks for posting!

I saw it earlier today and thought I’d check back again later to see if the usual jbt’s would show up.....surpise, none did.

Can’t wait to reference this when they show up on another thread with their badge licking posts!


32 posted on 06/24/2011 4:23:34 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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