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Confederate sub upright for first time since 1864
Associated Press ^ | Fri Jun 24, 2011 | Bruce Smith

Posted on 06/24/2011 4:10:05 PM PDT by Hunton Peck

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. – The first submarine in history to sink an enemy warship is upright for the first time in almost 150 years, revealing a side of its hull not seen since it sank off the South Carolina coast during the Civil War.

Workers at a conservation lab finished the painstaking, two-day job of rotating the hand-cranked H.L. Hunley upright late Thursday.

The Hunley was resting on its side at a 45-degree angle on the bottom of the Atlantic when it was raised in August 2000 and scientists had kept it in slings in that position in the lab for the past 11 years.

But they needed to turn it upright to continue with the job of conservation.

Scientists hope the hidden side of the sub will provide clues as to why the Hunley sank with its eight-member crew in February, 1864, after sending the Union blockade ship Houstonic to the bottom.

While there was no immediate clue from a first look at the hidden hull but "we are seeing some tantalizing clues on that side," Hunley archaeologist Maria Jacobsen said Friday.

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There are various theories why the sub sank. It could have been damaged by fire from the Housatonic or the sub's crew was knocked out by the concussion from the blast that sank that ship. Or it could have been damaged by another Union vessel rescuing the Housatonic.

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The next step in conserving the Hunley comes next week when it will be lowered onto keel blocks to hold it upright. It will probably be a month before a truss and the slings that suspended the sub from it will be removed, providing an even better view of the submarine.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Science
KEYWORDS: confederate; csa; godsgravesglyphs; hlhunley; hunley; navy; southcarolina

1 posted on 06/24/2011 4:10:07 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
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To: Hunton Peck

The South will rise again!


2 posted on 06/24/2011 4:11:30 PM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years)
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To: Hunton Peck

I thought she had already been raised? I’m I thinking of some ironclad or something??


3 posted on 06/24/2011 4:13:38 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: WKUHilltopper

They raised her in 2000, but she’d been lying on her side ever since.

Not being a morning person, I kind of know the feeling....


4 posted on 06/24/2011 4:19:45 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Hunton Peck

I’ve been to see her personally, in 2003, at the Warren Lasch Conservation Center in Charleston, SC. I don’t know if they still allow groups into the lab- but if they do, and you’re into history- GO.


5 posted on 06/24/2011 4:20:11 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Riley

I’ve got the t-shirt from when the challenge was still “Raise the Hunley!”


6 posted on 06/24/2011 4:24:49 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: Hunton Peck

Thanks...glad to know I’m not completely off my nut. I thought she had been raised once.


7 posted on 06/24/2011 4:28:08 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: PLMerite

Did you go to the conservation center? I was there in August of 2003, after having followed it since it was found. I don’t know what it’s like now, if it’s as public-oriented as it was, but back then it was a great place to visit.


8 posted on 06/24/2011 4:29:26 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Hunton Peck

cool

9 posted on 06/24/2011 4:29:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Hunton Peck; SunkenCiv

bump


10 posted on 06/24/2011 4:31:37 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Hunton Peck
The delicate process of righting the sub involved rotating it between 800 and 1,000 millimeters. A team of workers adjusted the slings by 2 millimeter increments during the two days the job took.

I got out the calculator. That should read "rotating it between 31 and 39 inches in increments of .08 inches."

Damn, it P.O.'s me when American journalists don't convert metric into Imperial measurements. It would be like printing a foreign dignitary's speech in his native language without bothering to translate it into English.

I suspect it has something to do with sophistication, but I'll bet the writer didn't have any idea what 800 millimeters meant either.

11 posted on 06/24/2011 4:32:19 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: BfloGuy

Yep.

Sounds like the writer read it off a ‘fact’ sheet.


12 posted on 06/24/2011 4:35:27 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Hunton Peck

Confederate bubbleheads. God rest their souls.


13 posted on 06/24/2011 4:36:59 PM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: Riley; All
Here's the Friends of the Hunley website (<-Link), with tour info. Tours are on weekends only.
14 posted on 06/24/2011 4:43:57 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Batrachian

>The South will rise again!<

I pray and hope so. This time, it’s gonna be a lopsided affair. A total wipe-out..hunting libs will be so sweet.


15 posted on 06/24/2011 4:44:00 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: Hunton Peck

I was a member on that site for a while.


16 posted on 06/24/2011 4:47:49 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Riley

I think it was a reactor leak that sank the sub.

Seriously, are there any documentaries about the
Hunley?


17 posted on 06/24/2011 4:57:41 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I don’t recall having seen one- I’d be surprised if one didn’t exist.


18 posted on 06/24/2011 5:00:18 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Hunton Peck

I thought they would use a tank and Electrolysis to clean it up!


19 posted on 06/24/2011 5:00:33 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Cheetahcat

I think that’s exactly what they did.


20 posted on 06/24/2011 5:06:56 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Hunton Peck

They need to repair it, because it might be needed again pretty soon. :)


21 posted on 06/24/2011 5:07:48 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; Riley
Seems there's been a TV movie about it, that's available on DVD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ias15VcHWbM (trailer).
22 posted on 06/24/2011 5:15:02 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Sporke

Defense budget cuts?


23 posted on 06/24/2011 5:16:10 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Hunton Peck

Yup. Ted Turner film. They had it showing continuously in the ante-hall outside the conservation tank.


24 posted on 06/24/2011 5:18:37 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Cheetahcat

She was in a tank and underwent electrolysis for a long time to stabilize the iron. I haven’t figured out from this story or other articles whether she’s still in the tank or not.


25 posted on 06/24/2011 5:19:16 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Cheetahcat
Here's an article about the technology used in conservation :http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0103/Byko-0103.html
26 posted on 06/24/2011 5:21:50 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Doohickey; SmithL
(((ping)))

Sunken ships as burial sites protocols?
27 posted on 06/24/2011 5:26:02 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’ve seen a couple of 1-hour documentaries on TV.

There is no clear answer as to what sank the submarine. She signaled the men on shore after the attack. A fire was lit on shore to guide the men home.

Right now it sounds like they bottomed the boat, fell asleep and never woke up. The balast pumps were x-rayed and showed that the crew were not trying to pump out water.

There is a made-for-tv movie about the submarine. It was produced by the TNT network about 10 or 12 years ago. The writers had the men getting stuck on the bottom when they took on too much water.


28 posted on 06/24/2011 5:41:47 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: BIGLOOK
Sunken ships as burial sites protocols?

The crew were given a proper Confederate military burial. (The PC crowd didn't like this). My guess is that the benefit of raising the relatively small submarine out weighed everything else. Also she could not be protected where she was and there's the mystery of why she sank.

29 posted on 06/24/2011 5:47:54 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Aglooka

Those men were frighteningly brave. That thing was a deathtrap,,,with almost no hope of escape.


30 posted on 06/24/2011 5:47:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: max americana
...hunting libs will be so sweet.

Yeah, but they have no taste.....

31 posted on 06/24/2011 5:52:01 PM PDT by stboz
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To: stboz

Use their sorry carcass as a rug.


32 posted on 06/24/2011 5:54:43 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Hey, thanks guys for the info and the link ,way cool stuff for 1863.


33 posted on 06/24/2011 6:15:55 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Hunton Peck

i was there this past april. they think she will be in the tank until 2016. very nice place and, being it was a sunday, we got to go in and see her (no cameras, no phones, etc.) volunteers were very friendly and knowledgeable. down the road is the cemetary with the graves of the 2nd, 3rd, and last crews.

the movie is THE HUNLEY starring armand assante (the frog from ncis) and donald sutherland (oddball)


34 posted on 06/24/2011 6:18:35 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: BIGLOOK

(((ping)))

“one ping only.”


35 posted on 06/24/2011 6:20:27 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Riley

No, hven’t made it down there yet. They had a mock-up of the Hunley at the Air Show at Andrews Air Force Base years ago and they were selling shirts to help finance the recovery.


36 posted on 06/24/2011 6:24:31 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: Aglooka

37 posted on 06/24/2011 6:50:44 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Sporke
They need to repair it, because it might be needed again pretty soon. :)

I wouldn't worry about that. The last boat I was on was full of good ole boys. I was one of only two guys in my division who owned shoes before boot camp.

38 posted on 06/24/2011 6:59:40 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Aglooka

I thought they died from lack of oxygen. Didn’t they have oil lamps burning inside? IIRC, didn’t they also find the crewmen still in their uniforms/shoes? Anyway, fascinating.


39 posted on 06/24/2011 8:17:54 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; Hunton Peck

>>>> Seriously, are there any documentaries about the
Hunley?

As far as I know, the first “documentary” about the Hunley was an episode of the CBS series “The Great Adventure”. A show that took incidents of American history and portrayed them as accurately as they could for the time.

Original Air Date:
27 September 1963 (Season 1, Episode 1)

Jackie Cooper ... Lt. Dickson

James MacArthur ... Lt. Alexander

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0592453/combined


40 posted on 06/24/2011 8:36:39 PM PDT by tlb
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To: EQAndyBuzz

There was a television series, back in the ‘60’s that would tell a story of American history every week. The first was about Drake (played by Cliff Robertson) and his discovery of oil in Pennsylvania.

They did an excellent episode on the Hunley, the Lieutenant ( or Captain?) being played by Jackie Cooper.


41 posted on 06/24/2011 8:49:56 PM PDT by PhiloBedo
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To: tlb

You are correct, sir! I didn’t bother to search, I was just drawing from my memory. I learned more US history from that show than I did from elementary school.


42 posted on 06/24/2011 8:55:06 PM PDT by PhiloBedo
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To: Batrachian
The South will rise again!

But like the Hunley, waterlogged and rusty?

43 posted on 06/24/2011 9:59:35 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Global Warming, undeniable truth; Obama, infallible genius; Apple perfect, invented everything)
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To: DesertRhino

The H.L. Hunley was basically made out of a boiler. As a teenager I took a summer job at a boiler-works. Among the slightly less prestigious tasks was removing the slag after the ends were welded on.

In order to do that I had to enter the boiler through a tiny hatchway. Claustrophobia always got the better of me and I would bail after 5-10 minutes. I can’t imagine going underwater in one.


44 posted on 06/25/2011 7:57:39 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Hunton Peck

Here is a time-lapse video of them rotating the Hunley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2cBAkCHHU


45 posted on 06/26/2011 10:10:50 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr; Batrachian; WKUHilltopper; Riley; PLMerite; GeronL; BfloGuy; Bigh4u2; j_tull; ...

“Here is a time-lapse video of them rotating the Hunley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v2cBAkCHHU

Very, very cool. Thanks!

It’s almost spooky to see her up close and in motion like that, like she’s coming to life. That and the thought of how cramped and claustrophobia-inducing it had to be for the sailors.... Chilling.


46 posted on 06/26/2011 10:32:39 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Hunton Peck

bump


47 posted on 06/26/2011 10:41:23 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: PhiloBedo
"the Lieutenant ( or Captain?) being played by Jackie Cooper."

Actually, you are correct on both accounts. The Commander of the boat when it sunk was Lt. Dixon. It was his second time commanding it. He was the original commander and by far the most successful. He was a Lieutenant in the Army. However, whoever is in command of a ship has the honorary title of captain and he would have been referred to as Captain or Skipper while commanding the Hunley.

Interestingly enough, it sunk a number of times and was raised before this ill fated last mission. One of the times it sunk and killed HL Hunley himself while he was in command of it.
48 posted on 06/27/2011 5:05:48 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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