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Good first AR15? (Vanity)
6/26/11 | Self

Posted on 06/26/2011 4:49:51 PM PDT by verum ago

Hey all, I'm looking into getting an AR15, but am totally overwhelmed by all the choices. What I want is something that's reliable, and has a rifle length barrel. Cheaper is better. I am not looking into getting a crazy customizable hyper-accurate super gun. Just a plinker. I've seen the Olympic Arms plinker, looked kinda rough.


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Any recommendations?
1 posted on 06/26/2011 4:49:55 PM PDT by verum ago
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To: verum ago

Don’t splurge on the gun, the optics is where the money comes in.


2 posted on 06/26/2011 4:55:29 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: verum ago

Bushmaster...good quality, good prices. I added a red-dot sight to my basic A2 version, and I’m good for anything I want to ‘touch’. Great all purpose long gun.


3 posted on 06/26/2011 4:56:34 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: fwdude
Don’t splurge on the gun, the optics is where the money comes in.

Thanks for the reminder: this will be an iron sights or red dot gun. More likely irons.
4 posted on 06/26/2011 4:57:01 PM PDT by verum ago (A liberal's mind is like a single action revolver with a bobbed hammer)
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To: verum ago

Recommend you go to AR15.com


5 posted on 06/26/2011 4:57:06 PM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: verum ago

Get a real gun. Any AK-47 will outlast the Matty matel, and the 7.62X39 is a better defense round.

Oh, one more thing - Ak-47 guns and ammo are cheaper, more reliable, and did I mention cheaper?


6 posted on 06/26/2011 4:57:41 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: verum ago

Can’t go wrong with Stag or Rock River. Not the cheapest but they have great medium price range offerings.


7 posted on 06/26/2011 4:58:10 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: verum ago

Go with Rock River, you will be happy.
As far as the optics comment by others, I regularly out shoot competitors shooting high dollar optics with a fixed 6X scope that sold for $69.00.
Get a good AR, play with the scopes later!!!


8 posted on 06/26/2011 4:58:43 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race. Obamacare is a crime,and barry is a dumbass (prove me wrong))
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To: verum ago
I don't own an AR15, but was going to buy one a short time ago.
My research (for what it's worth) for pricing, reliability and options led me to Rock River Arms.
I ended up changing my mind and decided to go for a Mossberg 500 instead.
9 posted on 06/26/2011 4:59:09 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: verum ago

Go with something mil-spec - Colt 6920, LMT Defender, Daniel Defense, LaRue, or an upper / lower combo from BraveCompany USA. These guns will stand up to hard use.

Avoid the hobbiest guns - Bushmaster, Rock River, DPMS, etc.


10 posted on 06/26/2011 4:59:56 PM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: verum ago

First,goto AR15.com and learn more than you ever wanted to know about AR’s. Then seriously consider building your own. It is not that hard. And, it’s a good way to get a very affordable one that you have a real stake in. I got a lot of my parts fron delton.com. They are good people.


11 posted on 06/26/2011 5:00:23 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: verum ago

Bushmaster ....


12 posted on 06/26/2011 5:02:16 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: verum ago
If you want a decent plinking rifle that fires .223 (5.56mm) cartridges, you might consider this:

Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rifle with 20 round detachable magazine

Quite reliable, and usually available at a better price than the AR-15's. Not bad for plinking, although I'm in the east where we don't plink from a quarter mile away. The one downside to the Mini-14 is accuracy is not that great beyond 100 yards or so. Even at 100 yards, putting a grouping within a 4 to 6 inch circle is about the best you'll do. That's a limitation of the design, not the shooter.

13 posted on 06/26/2011 5:03:24 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: GladesGuru

where can you get a good ak 47


14 posted on 06/26/2011 5:03:27 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: verum ago

Rock River Arms LAR-15 Elite Operator 2...Now, this is a carbine, but Rock River also offers rifle length models...

From rbprecison.com; $950 shipped...Good people, great prices, fast service...

Rock River is hard to beat...Excellent quality, great value for the price, very reliable and accurate...You can spend more if you like for the higher end ARs, but Rock River will meet the needs of 99% of the AR shooters out there...

I shoot RRA almost exclusively...All around great combo in an AR


15 posted on 06/26/2011 5:06:54 PM PDT by elteemike (Cogito! Ergo armatum sum!)
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To: oh8eleven

I have a bushmaster for years. Thousands of rounds no issues.


16 posted on 06/26/2011 5:07:06 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: verum ago

I got a High Standard for $750 http://www.gunblast.com/HighStandard-AR15.htm

It’s accurate and its made in TX!


17 posted on 06/26/2011 5:09:50 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: GlockThe Vote; oh8eleven

I also have a bushmaster and have had no problems. I’ve been looking at the sig’s though. Man are they pretty


18 posted on 06/26/2011 5:09:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cc2k

I love my Mini-14. Shot is this weekend in a three gun. Wood furniture with leather sling. Looks good and shoots great.


19 posted on 06/26/2011 5:10:23 PM PDT by bamabound (teach them how to think, not what to think!)
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To: verum ago

I had one.

At the time they were not chroming the receiver and barrel.

For a gas impingement that is a must.

They are very hard to keep clean.

You can go through 10 30rd mags in no time.

Also check break in procedures.

Check into piston types as they run a lot cooler but they are a shade less accurate.


20 posted on 06/26/2011 5:10:54 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: GlockThe Vote
You're a sample of one and on the flip side, I'm sure there are some Rock River owners who do have issues.
I'm just sayin' - I researched for months and that was my conclusion.
21 posted on 06/26/2011 5:11:36 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: GladesGuru

kind of rough on the walls and the neighbors walls and the neighbors neighbors walls isn’t it?

Pretty easy to ventilate the kids and pets?


22 posted on 06/26/2011 5:12:40 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: verum ago; Daffynition; Vendome; mojitojoe; LucyT
I just shared the following with a fellow freeper. Perhaps here is another good place to air this observation:

I spent a good deal of my weekend at a local gunshow. ... I purposely went to the show to gauge the attitude of the show visitors and vendors. This is not a pretty time in our history. I met only one couple who had a belief that things were not going any further downhill. When pressed for why they were at a gunshow, the male stated that he 'wanted to buy her something so she could learn to shoot, incase of a home intruder’. He bought for her a little tip up barrel .22! All the while at the same vendor’s table, men and women were selecting the best feeling 9mm, .40 cal, or .45 of varying magazine capacities. The most popular rifle at the show seemed to be the AK74 in the lighter ammo round rather than the 7.62 x 39 ... less recoil and better close in destructive power in the tumbling round! There was a knife and sword vendor doing a pretty good business, too. Samurai style swords and Tantas seemed popular.

Home defense planning seems to be on the rise, finally.

23 posted on 06/26/2011 5:14:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: verum ago

Two good references sources – one for buying, one for building.

http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?81462-So-you-want-to-buy-an-AR-15-huh

Building:

http://www.brownells.com/


24 posted on 06/26/2011 5:15:03 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: verum ago

You’re in Peoria, right?


25 posted on 06/26/2011 5:19:17 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: verum ago

Bump!


26 posted on 06/26/2011 5:22:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: bigheadfred

Nope. Near Boise, ID.


27 posted on 06/26/2011 5:38:37 PM PDT by verum ago (A liberal's mind is like a single action revolver with a bobbed hammer)
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To: verum ago

That WAS you! I waved on my way by to Portland last week, but I guess you didn’t see me.


28 posted on 06/26/2011 5:41:38 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: verum ago
Thanks for the reminder: this will be an iron sights or red dot gun. More likely irons.

I'm of the same school; as primitive as possible in anticipation for the most primitive scenario as possible. Iron sights will never fail you.

29 posted on 06/26/2011 5:43:20 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Squantos

Agreed. Bushmaster out of the box with a match grade barrel is a solid reliable weapon. Don’t try to build your own.


30 posted on 06/26/2011 5:44:45 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I love your tagline!


31 posted on 06/26/2011 5:46:39 PM PDT by verum ago (A liberal's mind is like a single action revolver with a bobbed hammer)
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To: verum ago
I bought a Smith and Wesson M&P15 for $599. I just put more than 500 rounds through it at an Appleseed weekend shoot. It never jammed, it was accurate, it was fun! I'm not much into the accessories but I bought a variety of magazines.
32 posted on 06/26/2011 5:48:54 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: bigheadfred

Sorry, I must have been busy ogling the local gun shops’ wares.


33 posted on 06/26/2011 5:51:48 PM PDT by verum ago (A liberal's mind is like a single action revolver with a bobbed hammer)
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To: verum ago

Rock River...and add on an EOTech Holographic Scope—the long one—down the road. The RR is solid and the EOTech is fun and well worth it.


34 posted on 06/26/2011 5:52:15 PM PDT by Miss Behave ("It's not going to happen." ~Bibi The Badass)
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To: verum ago

I got one built on a generic lower with an HBAR Del-Ton upper from a place out of Tennessee called Robertson Trading Post. Super accurate shooter, very reliable, and I got it shipped with a case and a mag for under $700. Mine’s been rock solid.

They got the parts and built them there at their store, so they can do it cheap.

They don’t have them all the time, but occasionally they have them in stock.

They sell on GunsAmerica. I’ve bought from them multiple times. They are a pleasure to do business with and will often negotiate on prices if you give them a call.

You can search their inventory by caliber here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.htm?OG=0&ONG=0&T=robertson+trading+post

Even if they don’t have something now, you should check back from time to time, because their inventory updates constantly.

You could also save some money and get to know your weapon very well if you build your own...


35 posted on 06/26/2011 5:54:14 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: verum ago

My brother in law has a great Rock River. I’d recommend it.


36 posted on 06/26/2011 5:56:35 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: driftdiver
"I’ve been looking at the sig’s though. Man are they pretty."

Yes it's pretty ...and pretty heavy though as well. :-/

37 posted on 06/26/2011 5:57:11 PM PDT by Miss Behave ("It's not going to happen." ~Bibi The Badass)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Only if you have forgotten where they are.


38 posted on 06/26/2011 5:59:35 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“kind of rough on the walls and the neighbors walls and the neighbors neighbors walls isn’t it?”

Could be, but ammo selection does make that less of a risk than loading up one’s defense magazines with steel core surplus Warsaw Pact ammo.

I recommended the AK-47 because of price, reliability, and price. However, I should have made clear that I suggested using the surplus stuff for practice.

Ultimately, gun control does come down to hitting your target. A good defense load should not overly penetrate an intruder.


39 posted on 06/26/2011 6:01:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: verum ago

Build it yourself.

Buy a stripped lower and start from there.

Do some research and decide what you want at the high end and the minimum at the low end and then with careful purchasing you can build a high end weapon for a lower to mid price range.

With the proliferation of vendors of AR lower receivers it would seem that there are only a few houses actually doing the machine work and most are just buying the finished stripped lower on a contract.

Most of all....have fun and welcome to the addiction.


40 posted on 06/26/2011 6:06:34 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: fwdude

Ar 15 w iron sights is dead accurate at 100 yards. From 9 or of ten events - this will be fine.


41 posted on 06/26/2011 6:10:44 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: MHGinTN
MHGinTN, that's a very thoughtful observation. I've noted and noticed that people are starting to do things and act strangely ....I mean, over the top. Hence, several comments on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2739845/posts

I happen to live in a quiet *proper* upscale community. A crazy incident, which brought 3 cop cars to our street b/c of an individual freaking out with some kind rage over who knows what, happened a week ago. I see it in the way people drive, how they act in the supermarket and unusual outbursts in social settings [like the example of the disgruntled woman at Target.] Things gave changed IMO.

I admit to being lazy, especially in the hot summertime of carrying my S&W.... but after my observations of how normally sedate folks are behaving lately, it's only a matter of time before I'm going to need to protect myself and mine.

Be safe, be well armed my FRiend.

42 posted on 06/26/2011 6:12:07 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Charlespg

Shotgun News, or gunsamerica.com, or gunbroker.com are good starting places.

Do check the user forums on the Internet. For example, PerfectUnion has a super forum for the Mini-14. There are forums for just about any gun.


43 posted on 06/26/2011 6:19:55 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: rabidralph
I bought a Smith and Wesson M&P15 for $599. I just put more than 500 rounds through it at an Appleseed weekend shoot. It never jammed, it was accurate, it was fun! I'm not much into the accessories but I bought a variety of magazines.

Huzzah for Appleseed shoots! Thee BEST way to learn how to shoot your rifle, IMHO. They teach all the basics, and a little American History too on the side.

ALL and all, a good time indeed! All of you who are thinking of increasing your rifle skills MUST attend the Appleseed shoots.
You will learn and do things you never imagined, with iron sights too.

44 posted on 06/26/2011 6:30:10 PM PDT by China Clipper (My favorite animals usually are found next to the rice on my plate.)
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To: verum ago

Most people say it’s as simple as A, B, C.

Armalite
Bushmaster
Colt


45 posted on 06/26/2011 6:32:03 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: MHGinTN

That reminds me I need to get a Mossberg 500 and some ammo. Who is a good manufacturer of AK-74s?


46 posted on 06/26/2011 6:35:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: verum ago

I bought a receiver and then a kit and built mine.


47 posted on 06/26/2011 6:36:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Bulgarian model is the best I’ve seen. It has a mounting gadget for side mount scope and is light and accurate from 200 yards in. The iron sights are excellent for target acquisition, so I wouldn’t mount a scope. But if you wanted to, it is easy and stays zeroed very well. Machine takes 30 and 40 round mags. With a thirty on it, a man can shhot it one handed at arms length if one wanted to. Wound channels for the round are massively deadly ripping affairs.


48 posted on 06/26/2011 6:43:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: verum ago

I have an Armalite AE-10, so while I can’t specifically speak to the quality of their -15’s, the materials, workmanship, accuracy and reliability of mine are nothing short of outstanding.


49 posted on 06/26/2011 6:43:15 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Ooops. My #49 should be AR-10, not AE-!0.


50 posted on 06/26/2011 6:45:21 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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