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'Tau day' marked by opponents of maths constant pi
BBC ^ | June 28, 2011 | Jason Palmer

Posted on 06/28/2011 7:09:39 PM PDT by decimon

The mathematical constant pi is under threat from a group of detractors who will be marking "Tau Day" on Tuesday.

Tau Day revellers suggest a constant called tau should take its place: twice as large as pi, or about 6.28 - hence the 28 June celebration.

Tau proponents say that for many problems in maths, tau makes more sense and makes calculations easier.

Not all fans of maths agree, however, and pi's rich history means it will be a difficult number to unseat.

"I like to describe myself as the world's leading anti-pi propagandist," said Michael Hartl, an educator and former theoretical physicist.

"When I say pi is wrong, it doesn't have any flaws in its definition - it is what you think it is, a ratio of circumference to diameter. But circles are not about diameters, they're about radii; circles are the set of all the points a given distance - a radius - from the centre," Dr Hartl explained to BBC News.

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"What's amazing is the 'conversion experience': people find themselves almost violently angry at pi. They feel like they've been lied to their whole lives, so it's amazing how many people express their displeasure with pi in the strongest possible terms - often involving profanity.

"I don't condone any actual violence - that would be really bizarre, wouldn't it?"

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 06/28/2011 7:09:42 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping

To get your mind off of that bogus Hebrew tablet. ;-)


2 posted on 06/28/2011 7:10:49 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

anti-Pi??

I have heard of some trivial causes but this has got to be high on that list.


3 posted on 06/28/2011 7:11:10 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: decimon

the british communistic collective is good at these stories to nowhere. Don’t be enthralled.


4 posted on 06/28/2011 7:11:55 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: decimon
It's too late for temperance. We will not rid ourselves of the overbearing Pi hegemony until we burn this miserable society down TO THE LAST STICK!! Oh, sure, there'll be starvation, plague, misery and death, but isn't it worth it?


Oh, it isn't? OK, never mind.

5 posted on 06/28/2011 7:12:32 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: decimon

Because multiplying by 2 is so difficult?


6 posted on 06/28/2011 7:13:28 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: decimon

7 posted on 06/28/2011 7:13:30 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: decimon

tau, pi, all Greek to me.


8 posted on 06/28/2011 7:13:51 PM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: GeronL

>>anti-Pi??<<

Pi R not squared. Pi R round....

(OK, it is a joke older than the formula itself but what the heck...) ;)


9 posted on 06/28/2011 7:14:45 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: decimon
It's weird how the British say "maths". I very much doubt that Newton ever said "maths".

Fun fact of the day: Newton was a life-long virgin.

10 posted on 06/28/2011 7:14:50 PM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years)
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To: decimon
it's amazing how many people express their displeasure with pi in the strongest possible terms - often involving profanity.

lol...the author must run with quite a crowd.

11 posted on 06/28/2011 7:17:03 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: decimon

Ah, I have seen mathematikers become pugalists, over just some trivia as this.

Shock, horror, and finally - humor.

What can I say, I had to laugh.


12 posted on 06/28/2011 7:17:25 PM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: decimon

...as long as Rebecca Black isn’t making a “Tau Day” video, I’m not really concerned....


13 posted on 06/28/2011 7:17:25 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: decimon

These fools propose we all memorize that the area of a circle is one-half tau times r squared?


14 posted on 06/28/2011 7:19:16 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: decimon

I propose a new unit called the dolt. 1 dolt equals 28 kilobidens. 1 square biden equals 1 obamadon. 1 obamadon equals 10^-8 erg-pelosi.


15 posted on 06/28/2011 7:19:49 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: freedumb2003

Cornbreads’ square.


16 posted on 06/28/2011 7:20:08 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: decimon

With today’s computers it takes 0.00001 seconds to multiply by 2.

As if there’s not enough to fight about.


17 posted on 06/28/2011 7:20:44 PM PDT by DManA
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To: decimon

It will be harder to make jokes with Tau.

“No, Pie are round, cornbread are square”


18 posted on 06/28/2011 7:21:54 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: decimon
Everybody wants a piece of pi.

19 posted on 06/28/2011 7:22:28 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: decimon
But I like Pi.

(Ok. I apologize for making a 'sick joke'. I could not resist)

20 posted on 06/28/2011 7:22:28 PM PDT by Bockscar (Thanks to the Freeper dogcaller for this tag line: --Muslims do not immigrate; they colonize--)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I must admit the logic of that pic is impeccable.


21 posted on 06/28/2011 7:23:43 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Batrachian
Fun fact of the day: Newton was a life-long virgin.

I heard he was integral with Leibniz.

22 posted on 06/28/2011 7:25:30 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
We are experiencing upheavals throughout the world. Now there are people who want one in math. MATH?!!!

What's next? A movement to have us use British spelling?

23 posted on 06/28/2011 7:28:21 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: decimon

This guy’s big tau campaign is pi in the sky


24 posted on 06/28/2011 7:31:13 PM PDT by tomkat (Sarah '12)
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To: SoothingDave

My 11-yr-old said the same thing. She has much more area in her algebra than she is happy with.

You are her new hero.


25 posted on 06/28/2011 7:37:28 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: decimon

The tablet was off my mind before I reached the bottom of the article.


26 posted on 06/28/2011 7:39:09 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: decimon

Ridiculous; they should just throw in the Tau.


27 posted on 06/28/2011 7:41:41 PM PDT by omni-scientist
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To: decimon
They feel like they've been lied to their whole lives, so it's amazing how many people express their displeasure with pi in the strongest possible terms - often involving profanity.

"But Uncle Jed, Everyone knows pi aren't square, Pie are round!" (Jethro Bodine)

Yep. Lied to all these years...

28 posted on 06/28/2011 7:42:02 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: decimon

Don’t like pi? Let them eat cake!!


29 posted on 06/28/2011 7:43:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Did anyone actually read the article?

IMO this is another euro communist plot to replace degrees w/ radians.


30 posted on 06/28/2011 7:48:43 PM PDT by RC51
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To: decimon; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...
"I like to describe myself as the world's leading anti-pi propagandist," said Michael Hartl, an educator and former theoretical physicist.
I can see the "former" part of that. :') Thanks decimon.

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31 posted on 06/28/2011 7:49:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Kirkwood

That is hilarious!!! ROFLOL


32 posted on 06/28/2011 7:53:09 PM PDT by iceskater (11/2/10 - the beginning of the beginning of restoration.)
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To: decimon
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world...those who understand binary...and those who don't.

And by the way, no two vertical lines are parallel.

33 posted on 06/28/2011 7:59:27 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: decimon

Nerds Gone Wild!


34 posted on 06/28/2011 8:01:52 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: Batrachian
Fun fact of the day: Newton was a life-long virgin.

So he claimed. What we know for certain is that he never married. This was the standard in his day for college instructors. The job was too difficult and time consuming to allow for the responsibilities of raising a family.

It may be true that he was celibate, in the sense of abstaining from all sexual intercourse. That might explain his incredible powers of concentration and keen intellect.

35 posted on 06/28/2011 8:02:34 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: decimon

2 Pi, R not 2 Pi. That is the question.


36 posted on 06/28/2011 8:11:41 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Maceman

How can you tell an introverted mathematician from an extroverted one?

An introverted mathematician looks at his shoes when you talk to him and an extroverted one looks at other peoples’ shoes.


37 posted on 06/28/2011 8:14:34 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: gorush

I calculate my age in hexadecimal. :D


38 posted on 06/28/2011 8:16:00 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Mr. Mojo

Reminds me of a Feynman story. 4pi appears as a constant in many equations of electromagnetics because the area of a sphere is 4pi r2. Feynman was writing some equations on a blackboard during a lecture and a student raised his hand and pointed out, “You forgot the 4pi.” “F*** the 4pi!” replied Feynman.

Don’t know if this makes part of the anti-pi corwd.


39 posted on 06/28/2011 8:16:59 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Kirkwood

The yield of 1 obamadon can destroy the entire United States. Think of the children, man!


40 posted on 06/28/2011 8:20:45 PM PDT by Freedom_Fighter_2001
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To: Suz in AZ

Will you still need me
Will you still feed me
When I’m hex four zero ?


41 posted on 06/28/2011 8:21:51 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


42 posted on 06/28/2011 8:26:59 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: stripes1776

Didn’t Newton devote the rest of his life to Biblical studies?


43 posted on 06/28/2011 8:29:47 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: tomkat

At least the Greek word pe’rime’tros began with the letter pi. Has this fellow bothered to look up any relevant Greek words that begin with tau?


44 posted on 06/28/2011 8:33:47 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: RC51

All fun and games aside, I have noticed a tendency to make mathematics and science as counterintuitive and overcomplicated as possible, rather than explain things simply, For a culture whose very navigation is based on degrees, radians would be an unnecessary complexity.


45 posted on 06/28/2011 8:58:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kirkwood

LoL.....


46 posted on 06/28/2011 9:01:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Billthedrill
We will not rid ourselves of the overbearing Pi hegemony until we burn this miserable society down TO THE LAST STICK!!

But how will you know for sure that is really IS the last
stick if you continue to wallow in your pathetic obsolete
mathematical swamp?

47 posted on 06/28/2011 9:30:28 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Kirkwood

I propose a new unit called the dolt. 1 dolt equals 28 kilobidens. 1 square biden equals 1 obamadon. 1 obamadon equals 10^-8 erg-pelosi.

But only if you Kerry the Zero.


48 posted on 06/28/2011 9:35:01 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: boop
Didn’t Newton devote the rest of his life to Biblical studies?

After Newton left Cambridge and moved to London, he did spend a lot of time on theology. He also spent a lot of time on alchemy. He wanted to turn lead into gold. As Director of the Mint for the English crown, it was Newton's job to look after the government's gold. In that job, turing lead into gold would have been a neat trick.

49 posted on 06/28/2011 9:44:25 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: decimon
I heard he was integral with Leibniz.

Plus they were a constant.

50 posted on 06/28/2011 9:53:58 PM PDT by stripes1776
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