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Remington 770 thoughts (Vanity)
None ^ | Taxcontol

Posted on 07/01/2011 8:50:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol

So I'm back in the market for a hunting rifle for deer / antelope / elk. Would love to be able to afford a $1,000+ rig but that is just not in the works at this time. I've been looking at the Remmington 770 combo in either 30-06 or in .308.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; hunting; remmington; rifle
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To: OneWingedShark

In comparison, we’re talking “cheap” rough. No pride of ownership rough.


41 posted on 07/01/2011 10:33:32 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: PowderMonkey

Ah, I think I understand.


42 posted on 07/01/2011 10:36:43 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: colt1911; chuckles
NO “ACCIDENTAL” DISCHARGES, EVER

Bump that. I have been using Rem 700 in 7mm thru 300 WinMag all of my life - never a problem. When the news came out with this supposed problem, I went inquiring, and no gunsmith I know offered more than a snort of derision.

43 posted on 07/01/2011 10:42:19 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: taxcontrol

Spend the extra $$ and get a Savage with an accu-trigger.


44 posted on 07/01/2011 10:43:44 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: Myrddin

Try a model 94


45 posted on 07/01/2011 10:49:09 AM PDT by Lumper20 (state)
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To: colt1911
I've never heard of any accidental discharges, but one of my teachers back in high school was blinded after his Remington shotgun suffered a catastrophic chamber breach while shooting skeet. It blew up in his hands, inflicting 3rd degree burns to his hands, arms, and face. But the worst damage was to his eyes. He is now permanently blind due to his injuries.

As part of their settlement, Remington put an R&D facility here in E-Town, where they try and prevent similar accidents from ever happening again.

46 posted on 07/01/2011 10:49:45 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: roamer_1

From what I have seen and know - from the woods to the range - I agree. The Remington issue was over sensationalized, imo.


47 posted on 07/01/2011 10:52:26 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (But that's just me.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“I’d prefer a Browning myself, but I’m sure a 770 would get the job done.”

The last rifle I bought was a stainless x-bolt in 325 WSM. It’s a great, lightweight rifle that handles 200gr bullets with ease. That was around four years ago when I got it, and it came in under $1,000. Not long after Remington changed ownership and retooled, I bought one of the basic 700s in stainless. I think they call them the all weather or something like that. With a 10 percent discount, it came in under $500. I put it in a B&C metalist stock, and it is a tack driver. It went to my oldest son. Somewhere between those two rifles I bought a stainless Ruger 77, the basic cheap one, and it came in under $600. All of these were at my local Walmart, the closest dealer to me. ...I don’t criticize other people’s choices in guns. Everyone has different tastes. I’ve seen cheap rifles that shoot moa without any help at all. If someone has their heart set on a 770, go for it. For my taste, I would look at something that could be rebarreled and restocked, down the road. ...A cheap rifle can be great, but it will most likely need a good scope. I’ve grown fond of the Sightrons, but a 770 topped off with a good Bushnell Elite 4200 3X9 could possibly make a dandy low priced rig.

Check Walmart pricing.


48 posted on 07/01/2011 11:12:29 AM PDT by pallis
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To: roamer_1
So they are paying the lawsuits and having actual discharges on film and the designer of the rifle saying there is a problem isn't enough? OK, tell the guy to buy one. Just tell me when your in the woods with me. I'd like to know when you are within 2000 yards. Most people don't fire their rifles more than a dozen times a year. How many people would experience an accidental discharge? How many people would admit they did thinking maybe they should have had it unloaded or something? My Father in Law shot a hole in the floor of his trailer with a 30-30 but doesn't tell anyone because he doesn't want people to know he was drinking.

There are many reasons a gunsmith may not know of any stories of discharges but that doesn't explain the THOUSANDS of complaint letters to Remington. They have repeated discharges on film and it's repeatable.

He asked about Remington and I told him. His blood is not on my conscience. If he was blogging on Daily Kos, maybe I would recommend Remington, but I want to keep as many Freepers as possible safe. Frankly, it seems from some Remington owners they don't want to admit they own a boat anchor. Just sayin.

I've shot Remingtons, Savages, Brownings, Weatherby's, Battle rifles like Enfield's, and Springfields. I have over 50 guns in my collection and do my own reloading. I own a Remington mod 1100 shotgun my father left me in his will. That's the only Remington product I have and I didn't buy it. When I go hunting, I take my Ruger Mod 77 in 30.06. I sold my Savage because it was not the quality I'm used to. I love my Browning, but just don't use a 7 mag except for elk and above.

My advice to the man is a Ruger 77 in 30.06 or .308. I don't see how you could beat that. He should study "Remington discharge" on Google and make up his own mind. He asked and I told. If I was buying a rifle today, it wouldn't be a Remington. period! nuff said!

49 posted on 07/01/2011 11:21:02 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: colt1911
OK, went to Google and searched "Remington accidental discharge". There have been over 1200 accidental shootings That's bloodshed, not just a discharge) in total. The Marines have it discharging with no finger on the trigger ON FILM! There is enough info there to keep the fellow busy for a month or two.

As Beck would say," Do your own homework". I would just move on to something else, but hey, that's me. Maybe there is some sort of "Remington mystique" that I don't get. I'm sure there were some Ford Pinto's that didn't burst into flames and burn the occupants to death, but I still wouldn't buy one.

50 posted on 07/01/2011 11:57:24 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: roamer_1

Google is your friend. Snorting can be from cocaine.


51 posted on 07/01/2011 12:08:38 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: pallis

I don’t hunt anymore, and I sold my Ruger in 7x57 a couple of years ago. I have some handguns, but my last rifle is a Marlin in 44 mag. I use it for plinking.

I’ve lusted after the Brownings, but never owned one. Still, there is a great deal to be said for buy well & buy for life. My shotgun is a Browning I’ve owned for 30+ years, and I’ve got a couple of revolvers that old as well. I expect to use them for another 20-30 years, and be able to hand them down to my kids (or grandkids).


52 posted on 07/01/2011 12:11:30 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: chuckles

Good points.


53 posted on 07/01/2011 12:35:17 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln (But that's just me.)
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To: Lumper20
I have a model 94 in 30-30 and a Ruger 1895GM in 45-70. I prefer the level action format when I'm actually "hunting" and carrying the rifle in the field. My bolt actions are all topped with good glass and used for precision paper punching.
54 posted on 07/01/2011 12:45:08 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: chuckles

From this thread ( http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-rifles-shotgun-discussion/115110-potential-remington-700-rifle-accidental-discharge.html ):

“This is not the first time that this has been brought up. In the last 25 years, its been talked about at least 3 times.
I have numerous 700’s in various calibers. I’ve been building custom rifles on Remington actions for years, with no issues..While its true that on the high end guns I usually install custom triggers, I have adjusted many triggers to a lighter pull...without any problems what so ever.

I have shot literally thousands of rounds without so much as a single unwanted discharge.

While I wont say that this issue is unfounded, I do think that it is highly exaggerated. If this problem were as common as the naysayers said it was, I would think that out of the millions of Remington rifles and actions out there, that the numbers of accidental releases would be much higher than it actually is.

With all of that out of the way, let me say this...

As one that builds custom shooters, I have had to replace several triggers that had been hosed up by the original owner. Adjusting the trigger isn’t hard to do. The problem is that they are adjusted too much. When the sear is engaged to the point that the trigger is much lighter than the factory trigger setting, the sear has much less contact with the notch that holds it in place. A sharp blow to the rifle, dropping it, whacking the side of it against a tree, slamming the bolt home, ALL of these actions can and will cause the rifle to shoot if the sear engagement has been tampered with and set to a point that it is not enough.

I’ve seen critical parts dremeled, pins holding the triggers groups broke off, wads of grease injected into it, I’ve even seen one where too much was dremeled and to get it to work the owner used JB weld to build up the surface that he ground too much off of.

One father brought in a rifle for his son, who said the rifle just quit working. The Dad and the son bad mouthed Remington the whole time. When I took it apart, the trigger was so hosed up that it had to be replaced. The kid admitted that he read an article on the Internet on how to adjust it and took a Dremel tool and went berserk. When he put it back, it wouldn’t even hold the striker back, it was useless. So here was two guys ready to sue Remington because they didn’t like how the gun acted...they were convinced it was a piece of crap while ignoring the fact that the problems with it were user inflicted.

Rifles are machines with lots of parts...parts that must work together and work correctly to function. If any one of those parts quit doing its job, then the whole thing quits working.

While any rifle is subject to failure due to many varied factors, I do think that for the most part, this issue is way over-hyped and overblown. Now, since virtually everyone has Internet access, when Bubba up in Podunk Alaska jacks with his trigger and his gun goes off when he leans it up against his snowmobile, millions of people instantly hear about how Remington products suck and how dangerous they are.

And seriously...if police and military snipers, sharpshooters, designated marksman, trophy hunters, match shooters all around the world really thought there was an issue with the trigger, how many of them do you think would still use them?”

Also see: http://www.remington700.tv/


55 posted on 07/01/2011 1:03:25 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: chuckles
There is nothing wrong with Remington. I have used them all of my life without one problem. I used one in the Military, an M-24 A1 & A2. In fact, it was the primary sniper platform for years. the 700 is considered to be the safest and most dependable locking lug system on the market. It is also used exclusively at Match tournaments because of it's amazing accuracy.

There will always be stupid people and shooters, who do stupid things, like overload hand loads, use the wrong kind of powder, mistake bullet size, try to clear plugged barrels by shooting them, keep trying to reload worn out brass, etc,,,. And when an injury occurs, they claim they did nothing wrong and blame the manufacturer.

The large number of Remington's involved is also due to their overwhelming market popularity. There is simply many more of them than there are of others in America.

Remingtons are safe, and of course, they will fail if they are handled with neglect or used improperly.

(I have had far more problems even with correct use, from Ruger, Mossberg or Smith & Wesson.)

56 posted on 07/01/2011 1:06:30 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: roamer_1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjmOSAZDpfU&feature=player_embedded#at=777


57 posted on 07/01/2011 1:13:18 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: taxcontrol

My last plug for the TC Venture. Made in the USA, MOA accuracy guarantee under $500.00 What more can you ask for?

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/venture.php


58 posted on 07/01/2011 1:25:51 PM PDT by BobinIL
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To: taxcontrol
The only Remington bolt action I have ever owned was a 700 in 30-06. Cut it into three pieces and chucked it into a lake. It AD’d on me and I wouldn't trust it again or sell it to anyone else. Many years later the problem was finally litigated into the light. Remington should be ashamed for covering up the problem and not putting in the $0.50 fix. I will never own another. Get a Savage, Ruger or even a Weatherby which you can find outstanding deals on at gun shows.
59 posted on 07/01/2011 1:33:11 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Demons run when a good man goes to war.)
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To: hiredhand
[and the trigger is reasonably easy to adjust.]

Why on earth would you want to lighten the pull on a hunting rifle? This renders them dangerous to carry in the field. Most 6 to 7 pound standard pulls are there for safety and are still adequate to make a good and well placed shot.

Tampering with any sport/hunting rifle is stupid as explained above, as well as completely unnecessary.

Unless you are a tournament shooter, shooting from a bench under tightly controlled range instructions and rules, don't even consider rendering your hunting rifle into something very dangerous, by “adjusting” the trigger.

60 posted on 07/01/2011 1:35:50 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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