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Why Bachmann's Candidacy is DOA While Palin's Endures: An Historical Perspective
07/01/2011 | Brices Crossroads

Posted on 07/01/2011 6:13:52 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

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To: svcw

>> “Maybe Bachmann is running so Palin can under the radar gather forces to emerge when she declares with thousands of volunteers, and just zoom to the top of the heap.” <<

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Nothing Bachmann has done or is presently doing suggests that.

Her entire performance suggests a “Tommy Smothers” level of jealousy.


61 posted on 07/01/2011 8:51:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: parksstp

“And if Rick Perry runs, you can be guaranteed 110% take it to the bank, that Palin will not enter the race.”

I don’t think there is any proof of that. Palin has said nice things about Perry and campaigned for him.Conversely, Perry has been equally glowing in his praise for Palin.

I don’t know enough about perry to feel strongly about him either way. I don’t think he will generate a lot of enthusiasm. He is not a really great campaigner.

And from a strictly political angle, I don’t think the country is anxious to elect another Texas governor so soon after Bush, especially one who sounds just like Bush.

The electoral battleground in this election is going to be the upper Midwest, and I don’t think Perry’s accent is going to help him there any more than it helped Bush.


62 posted on 07/01/2011 8:53:35 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads; Nonstatist
Crane was not anonymous, he was Chairman of the American Conservative Union, had written three books and had a nationally syndicated column. He had been in Congress for six full terms and was a well known and well respected Reaganite, having run Reagan’s Illinois operation in 1976 against Ford.
He was in fact considered very charismatic, was a handsome man with a beautiful family. Seriously, you really are too lazy to get any facts, aren’t you?

Dueling history, I wonder which one is accurate, hmmm, I'll go with you Brice.

63 posted on 07/01/2011 8:56:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: SeekAndFind

>> “If Bachmann’s campaign is DOA, how d o we account for the following news...” <<

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Easy:

Typical establishment/media chosen candidate manufactured news.

The politically unsophisticated fall for that crap constantly.

Bear in mind that an outsider victory like Palin would be a devastating loss for the establishment GOP, and for the media, so they inject a hopeless pretender to siphon off votes so that the establishment candidate wins the primary.

Teddy Rosevelt, Ross Perot, and now Michele Bachmann, = divide and conquer electioneering.


64 posted on 07/01/2011 8:59:11 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Nonstatist
Later, he lost his House seat,

Great history, a quarter century after running against Reagan he lost his Congressional seat.

65 posted on 07/01/2011 8:59:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Nonstatist

“Crane never got higher than 1 or 2 %”

“He was never a threat to Reagan, not even close.”

Wrong again. You just post whatever comes to mind. Crane got 7% of the vote in Iowa. Reagan narrowly lost Iowa, 32-30 to George H.W. Bush. The 7% Crane got in Iowa came right out of Reagan’s hide. Fortunately, Reagan had five weeks to recover and he overcame his Iowa loss (although the initial polls in NH showed GHW Bush 20 points ahead).

If Reagan had had five days between Iowa and New Hampshire as they have not, he would have lost NH.

Crane very nearly derailed Reagan. You are sadly mistaken. You just don’t know your history.


66 posted on 07/01/2011 8:59:44 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: ansel12

“Great history, a quarter century after running against Reagan he lost his Congressional seat.”

I was going to point that out but forgot about it. it took me so long to correct him about Crane.


67 posted on 07/01/2011 9:00:55 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Finny

>> “I respect Bachmann too much to think that she would deliberately betray the nation’s best interests out of greed for power.” <<

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She is drunk on the stroking job the mediots did on her back in the early spring. She needs a mega-dose of strong coffee, politically speaking.


68 posted on 07/01/2011 9:02:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: ansel12

“Dueling history, I wonder which one is accurate, hmmm, I’ll go with you Brice.”

In light of his posts so far, and in all humility, that is probably the safer bet. LOL


69 posted on 07/01/2011 9:03:02 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Brices Crossroads

Bush should have won WI 2000 had it not been for Dem voter fraud (giving homeless cigarettes for Gore votes). He won IA in 2004.

The Upper midwest is a battleground, but WI and IA are really the only states in play. I am not sold on MI that they have learned their lesson, and MN has been a joke to me since Franken came anywhere near to be able to steal the election there.

The other battleground area is the SW (CO, NM, NV). This is where I think the GOP is putting more focus on.

I am not sold on Perry and agree that he lacks excitement. But I have a feeling he’s going to be pushed on us as the candidate that can unite all the split factions of the GOP.


70 posted on 07/01/2011 9:03:05 PM PDT by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: GoCards

>> “Hey Thaddeus McCotter is getting in! “ <<

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Who ? ?


71 posted on 07/01/2011 9:04:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Bachmann’s gaffs make me cringe, like tonight on Hannity when she claimed she’s “not testing the waters by putting my finger in the air.”

Duh.


72 posted on 07/01/2011 9:05:28 PM PDT by b9
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To: b9

She has serious hoof in mouth disease. She had better put a sock in it, before she implodes.


73 posted on 07/01/2011 9:07:21 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Georgia Girl 2

>> “Somebody must have forgotten to tell Michelle Bachmann since she seems to be climbing the polls pretty fast.” <<

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Meaningless media driven polls.

She is the media antidote to the real outsider hazard that the media and the GOP elite fear: Palin.

And yes, Palin is the power and she is running.


74 posted on 07/01/2011 9:07:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

RE: Bear in mind that an outsider victory like Palin would be a devastating loss for the establishment GOP

Why is Michele Bachmann, a Tea Party Favorite from the beginning, considered an insider?


75 posted on 07/01/2011 9:08:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: b9

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Did I miss something here? I remember her saying that in reference to questions on the economy/debt ceiling where she was calling out Obama and the Dems trying to gain a political advantage (though I thought she might have been taking a shot at Romney after he backed down on his Obama criticism yesterday).


76 posted on 07/01/2011 9:08:57 PM PDT by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: Nonstatist
Crane never got higher than 1 or 2 %.

Do you have a source?

Since Phil Crane won New Hampshire in the primary, it seems a little hard to believe that he never rose above 1 or 2% at any time.

77 posted on 07/01/2011 9:10:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Brices Crossroads

“Crane never really thought he had a chance for the nomination, and he was content to have one of the moderates (Baker or Bush) get the nomination in hopes that they would install Crane as the Vice-Presidential nominee. “

And you know this how? Have you ever spoken to Crane about why he ran? Or did you pull this straight out of your rear end?


78 posted on 07/01/2011 9:11:16 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SeekAndFind

(1) Because her name is not Sarah Palin.
(2) Because she had the audacity to jump into the race which is a hinderence to Palin’s inevitable coronoation.


79 posted on 07/01/2011 9:11:38 PM PDT by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: parksstp

Her mixed metaphor made me cringe. It sounded stupid.


80 posted on 07/01/2011 9:12:25 PM PDT by b9
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