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Why doesn’t John Adams have a memorial?
Washington Post ^ | 07/02/2011 | Akexander Hefner

Posted on 07/02/2011 6:59:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

When President Obama ponders tough decisions at the White House, he may join the cadre of presidents who have sought inspiration in the Truman Balcony’s stunning vista, gazing at the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial, which commemorate our first and third commanders in chief. But there’s a man missing from this presidential panorama.

Where is John Adams, our feisty second president and lifelong American patriot? If George Washington was the sword of the revolution and Thomas Jefferson the pen, why have we neglected the voice of our nation’s independence?

Adams himself predicted this omission. “Monuments will never be erected to me . Romances will never be written, nor flattering orations spoken, to transmit me to posterity in brilliant colors,” he wrote in 1819, nearly two decades after his single term in office. At his farm in Quincy, Mass., Adams worried that he would be forgotten by history, and for good reason: The temperamental Yankee could never outshine Washington and Jefferson, Virginia’s two-term presidential all-stars — one a brilliant general unanimously chosen to lead the nation, the other the eloquent author of the Declaration of Independence.

SNIP

What’s the case for Adams? Before the revolution, he was the nation’s first attendant to the American legal tradition of due process, defending British soldiers who fired on colonists during the Boston Massacre. One of Massachusetts’s representatives to the First and Second Continental Congresses, Adams was a champion of separation from England and the fiercest advocate of Jefferson’s declaration. Without his persuasive speeches in the Philadelphia chamber, the document wouldn’t have been signed. While Jefferson was silent during what he considered the convention’s editorial debasement of his work, Adams defended every clause, including an excised call for the abolition of slavery. Jefferson called Adams “a colossus on the floor” of the Congress.

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1 posted on 07/02/2011 6:59:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He wasn’t a Democrat.


2 posted on 07/02/2011 7:00:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SeekAndFind

My oversight, sorry.


3 posted on 07/02/2011 7:00:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Brilliant

RE: He wasn’t a Democrat.

Neither was Abe Lincoln... but he has his memorial.

Teddy Roosevelt was Republican, he is in Mount Rushmore.


4 posted on 07/02/2011 7:02:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: My oversight, sorry.

LOL, Not too late to correct that you know :)


5 posted on 07/02/2011 7:03:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adams was indispensable during the buildup to the revolution. He was an awful President. He has arguably done more to weaken the Republic through his appointment of Marshall as Chief Justice and the likes of Marbury during his 11th hour packing of the courts after his loss to Jefferson. His Alien and Sedition Acts also demonstrate his disdain for the Constitution. He and Abigale were tunnel visionaries who destroyed the lives of most of their children, John Quincy included.


6 posted on 07/02/2011 7:07:22 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is true... But those were built when the GOP dominated government. Now the Dems dominate.


7 posted on 07/02/2011 7:07:47 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

RE: But those were built when the GOP dominated government.

Looks like BOTH the GOP and the Dems ignored the man as he himself predicted.


8 posted on 07/02/2011 7:09:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Brilliant

He was our first liberal (today’s usage) President. He favored a larger, more powerful government.


9 posted on 07/02/2011 7:11:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Brilliant
John Adams ended up more of a Father of His Country than either Washington or Jefferson, and only William Henry Harrison comes near his standard. It starts with an intermarriage between the two families and then the production of babies for several decades as if there was no tomorrow.

He has several million ancestors and a number of them have been American Presidents.

We know who he is if nobody else does, and it doesn't matter!

10 posted on 07/02/2011 7:15:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

Honestly, I would consider the HBO miniseries one hell of a memorial, not only of Adams, but of all the Founding Fathers.

Film may not be marble, but it can last just as long and have a far greater impact on future generations.


11 posted on 07/02/2011 7:16:54 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: gorush

I think you could argue that Washington was the first. He and Adams were together on their support for a strong federal government. But it’s a little more complicated. You could make the argument that the federalists were in favor of “strong federal government,” but what they were really fighting against was the idea that the federal government should be abolished altogether. Jefferson and Madison leaned in that direction, until they became President.


12 posted on 07/02/2011 7:17:02 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: gorush
Jefferson fired all those judges anyway.

TSubsequent Presidents have failed to pick up on that customary right of the President to fire judges at will.

That's a shame too.

13 posted on 07/02/2011 7:18:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

John Adams was the heart of the revolution and the declaration of Independence was pushed by this man, a dynamo and a brilliant leader and a godly Christian who wanted freedom for Americans. His history is quite amazing, it is obvious to me that God used this man greatly in helping to create the once free republic of America.
The godless hate filled socialists are destroying what is left however. The Lord Jesus Christ will put an end to all evil nations during the 7 year tribulation when God the Father will pour out 21 seperate devastaing judgements on the unbeliving heathen of the world.


14 posted on 07/02/2011 7:19:15 PM PDT by kindred (Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The mini-series was absolutely incredible!


15 posted on 07/02/2011 7:20:53 PM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: gorush

Nonsense. John Adams and all the other Founders would be horrified at what has become of the country they founded. While Jefferson was fascinated by the horrible French Revolution, Adams and the other Federalists were not fooled. Adams and his allies built up the navy which the foolish Jeffersonians opposed, and Jefferson’s ally Madison eventually used it in the nation’s defense.


16 posted on 07/02/2011 7:22:29 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: SeekAndFind

There was that little issue of the “Alien and Sedition Acts” that got people rather grumpy with him. Jefferson didn’t like that at all.

Then his son cut a deal with with Henry Clay to get elected President, over Jackson.

Jackson was the kind of fellow who never forgave a slight.


17 posted on 07/02/2011 7:23:55 PM PDT by donmeaker (I)
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To: SeekAndFind

adams deserves better than he is getting. the last of the high federalists, his biggest shortcoming was coming after an icon like george washington. and it didn’t help that a francophile like jefferson — my least favorite founding father — followed him.

david mccullough has done much to dispel the myths surrounding the adams presidency. he deserves infinitely more credit than he has received, and it’s a pity.


18 posted on 07/02/2011 7:26:28 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: hellbender

bingo.


19 posted on 07/02/2011 7:27:40 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: SeekAndFind

An Adams memorial would be OK - but what we really need....

We have a Statue of Liberty

To go with it, we need a Statue of RESPONSIBILITY

I am not joking.


20 posted on 07/02/2011 7:28:05 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: SeekAndFind

Teddy was put on Mt Rushmore to remind people of who was president when the statues were put there—Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

And Teddy was a Progressive, back before people realized that that pernicious doctrine used lies to justify theft, and then trends toward torture and murder.


21 posted on 07/02/2011 7:28:09 PM PDT by donmeaker (I)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is a little off the topic but I have never believed, and will never believe, that Jefferson and Adams both dying on the 50th anniversary of The Declaration was anything but the hand of God.
22 posted on 07/02/2011 7:28:16 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry/Bachmann 2012! Conservatives who can win!)
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To: Eastbound

the mini-series was awful. I could have done without seeing john and abigail go at it.


23 posted on 07/02/2011 7:28:41 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: muawiyah

I suppose you mean he has several million descendants.

Woody Allan said “90% of life is showing up.” I suppose his descendants have shown up.


24 posted on 07/02/2011 7:30:50 PM PDT by donmeaker (I)
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To: SeekAndFind
John Adams was great during the Revolution, but the Alien and Sedition Acts during his Presidency kind of left a bad taste.
25 posted on 07/02/2011 7:34:12 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: hellbender
Adams and his allies built up the navy which the foolish Jeffersonians opposed, and Jefferson’s ally Madison eventually used it in the nation’s defense.

Jefferson used Adams’ navy as well. Without Adams’ navy, especially the frigates that Jefferson strenuously opposed, Jefferson himself would have had no warships capable of reaching the Mediterranean and fighting the Barbary pirates.
26 posted on 07/02/2011 7:36:46 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Barack Obama, the Stickless Wonder.)
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To: donmeaker
Right ~ "descendents".

His progeny have been incredibly prolific. It's interesting that Bill Clinton knows his descent from Adams, but few genealogists have found out much about the "other lines", particularly the Church of the First Born part ~ but we know them well. Someday I suppose we'll pass some of that stuff around.

But I'll tell you, if you only have one famous ancestor, John Adams is someone to be proud of.

27 posted on 07/02/2011 7:38:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cheburashka
Yes. Jefferson was something of the Ron Paul of his day. He thought a bunch of wimpy little gunboats would suffice to protect the U.S.

When people criticize Adams for the Alien & Sedition Acts, they do not realize what the country was up against. There was a world war going on between Britain and revolutionary fascist France. There were fools in America who were willing to be tools of the French.

Adams was a patriot and one of the greatest of the Founders. Although Jefferson had allowed his supporters to slander Adams, in their old age, the two great men became friends.

28 posted on 07/02/2011 7:42:00 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Future Snake Eater

Honestly, I would consider the HBO miniseries one hell of a memorial, not only of Adams, but of all the Founding Fathers.

Film may not be marble, but it can last just as long and have a far greater impact on future generations.


I am in agreement 100%! One hell of a memorial which should be a required course in American schools instead of the leftist dribble.


29 posted on 07/02/2011 7:45:54 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: SeekAndFind

Everything was Washington.....Every state, every town has a Washington Street or a monument or a school....I read anh article circa 1850...IMOW....”Enough with Washinton”


30 posted on 07/02/2011 7:47:42 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JohnBrowdie

the mini-series was awful. I could have done without seeing john and abigail go at it.


Are you nuts?


31 posted on 07/02/2011 7:47:46 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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Are you nuts?

the miniseries was crap. it was intended for idiots that didn't already know the history of his administration. it was on a par as "the tudors", without the softcore porn.

32 posted on 07/02/2011 7:50:17 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: muawiyah
"Jefferson fired all those judges anyway."

He tried, which led to the Marbury v. Madison case that led to an all powerful Supreme Court.

33 posted on 07/02/2011 7:52:46 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

We’ve had two centuries to fix the problem.


34 posted on 07/02/2011 7:53:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

These words are enough of a memorial:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”


35 posted on 07/02/2011 7:54:21 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: SeekAndFind

My question; why do we need any memorials? Rather than people staring at a stone slab, it’d better if more people would read a book and actually learn something.


36 posted on 07/02/2011 7:57:37 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He hasn’t been forgiven for the Alien and Sedition Acts yet.


37 posted on 07/02/2011 7:59:32 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: hellbender

Of course they would all be horrified, even Adams who, of course, couldn’t imagine the destructive force of limiting individual freedom. The French Revolution wasn’t horrible at that point. It followed the same path that our Revolution did. We were very lucky to have the right people, culture and fortune to succeed. The French weren’t as fortunate...ditto the Russian Revolution a century later. Jefferson and Madison of course erred, but at least they worked to retain the original vision of individual freedom.


38 posted on 07/02/2011 8:00:50 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: hellbender
Actually Napoleon was very pro-American. His father had lived here a while.

In the end most of his relatives emigrated to the same place in New York, but his surviving Old Guard moved to Gallipolis and environs in what is now Southern Ohio.

I place the failure of the French Revolution in the laps of the Revolutionaries themselves, not Napoleon. He was just the first of a series of erstwhile American allies who ruled unruly and very dangerous nations through dictatorship.

Although we usually think of the USA having bought Louisiana from Napoleon, the deal was carefully monitored by Spanish investors who had quite a bit tied up in coastal Louisiana and facilities along the Mississippi River.

They weren't simply betrayed by Napoleon and in the end did well by the deal except that they didn't like the way the lines were drawn.

39 posted on 07/02/2011 8:02:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"We’ve had two centuries to fix the problem."

...and have failed miserably.

40 posted on 07/02/2011 8:02:16 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Artemis Webb

I think every American in their heart believes what you have written. It was a miracle.


41 posted on 07/02/2011 8:08:39 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Honestly, I would consider the HBO miniseries one hell of a memorial

Heck yeah! Schools should be showing that instead of "An Inconvenient Truth", but I guess that will never happen...

42 posted on 07/02/2011 8:19:35 PM PDT by America_Right (The best thing about the Obama Presidency: McCain isn't the President!)
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To: gorush

His principles were wonderful. As you say; visionary.

I love his quotes.

How about this one:

“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”

or this one:

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

Or one just for this weekend, that he wrote on the 2nd, the very day the declaration was brought forth:

...”The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. —

I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more.

You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. — I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. — Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.”


43 posted on 07/02/2011 8:20:59 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: muawiyah

Plus I remember the musical, “1776” amd the John Adams charactor did so much singing some very wonderful musical sections.


44 posted on 07/02/2011 8:26:30 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: gorush

What revolution, save the American revolution, ended up being for the better? I can’t think of any.


45 posted on 07/02/2011 8:30:39 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The WaPost thnks up another thing to spend money on


46 posted on 07/02/2011 8:31:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

From the Broadway musical “1776”, “Is Anybody There”, Brett Spinner as John Adams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmb9Funbz0


47 posted on 07/02/2011 8:32:44 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: youngidiot

none. and that is a good point. ours was a conservative revolution, intended to preserve the ancient rights of englishmen.


48 posted on 07/02/2011 8:34:57 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adams doesn’t have a memorial because he was not personally likeable. He was instrumental in the founding but nobody was going to bat for him with his caustic personality. I think if he was a likeable chum, he would also have a memorial, but he was just not the kind people warmed up to.

The Alien and Sedition acts seem to reveal his vindictive nature. He didn’t listen to his advisors. He didn’t keep a civil tongue. He could be abrasive.

That’s my take on it, but of course I could be completely wrong.


49 posted on 07/02/2011 8:42:45 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: gorush

I beg to differ. Hamilton never saw a government institution he didn’t like. Hamilton WAS big government, far more than Adams was. Far more.


50 posted on 07/02/2011 8:44:00 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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