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Casey Anthony Live Trial Thread: STATE REBUTTAL (7/04/11)
Free Republic | July 4, 2011 | truthkeeper

Posted on 07/04/2011 5:35:00 AM PDT by truthkeeper

Good Morning to all, and Happy Independence Day.

There are also sure to be courtroom fireworks as the State gives it rebuttal and the case is expected to be sent to the jury.

Court is starting early today at 8:30 a.m.

The countdown for justice for Caylee begins.


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1 posted on 07/04/2011 5:35:02 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: dfc1; miss marmelstein; Sarah Barracuda; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ANKE69; indylindy; Marty62; nycgal; ..

Good morning, FRiends. Happy 4th to all of you.


2 posted on 07/04/2011 5:36:31 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: truthkeeper

Lets hope the prosecution does a slam dunk today. Caylee needs some justice.

What happened to her is so unbelievable and unfair.


3 posted on 07/04/2011 5:38:03 AM PDT by dforest
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To: truthkeeper

Why is this taking place on the weekend and the holiday? Isn’t court closed?


4 posted on 07/04/2011 5:39:03 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: synbad600
The jury has been sequestered so it goes straight through.
5 posted on 07/04/2011 5:41:01 AM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: indylindy
It gets harder and harder to look at the pictures of the little angel as the death scenario becomes more clear. She was a victim of pure evil, and unthinkably, it was her own mother.

Sometimes it is hard to wrap our minds around this. I just hope the jury can.

6 posted on 07/04/2011 5:42:40 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: synbad600

No.


7 posted on 07/04/2011 5:43:21 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: truthkeeper

Good morning and HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!

Thanks so much for doing these threads.

For anyone interested here is a link for live streaming from here in Orlando:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28436411/detail.html

And here is an excellent timeline for the story:

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2011/0224/26984466.pdf


8 posted on 07/04/2011 5:43:55 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: onyx

Good morning, onyx. It’s nice to see you.


9 posted on 07/04/2011 5:44:10 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: synbad600

Justice should NEVER take a Holiday.


10 posted on 07/04/2011 5:44:47 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: truthkeeper

There is a young woman who lives across the street that looks so much like Casey. She talks to her kids like dogs.

All I have to do to believe something like this can happen is look at her.

The neighbor on the other side of this woman confronted her because she heard her smacking her oldest little boy around.


11 posted on 07/04/2011 5:45:43 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SE Mom
Thank you for the links. I will take a look at both of them. I love the commentary of Bill Schaeffer on wftv, but unfortunately it keeps cutting out for me.

Proceedings are starting now at 8:30 a.m. on the dot. Baez objecting to rebuttal arguments being split between the prosecutors.

A commentator mentioned today that during the State's opening yesterday, one woman had her head down and was writing the entire while Ashton was speaking. She did not look at him, she just wrote. She was a grandmother, don't know if she was the infamous Juror #4, and don't know what it means.

12 posted on 07/04/2011 5:47:47 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: truthkeeper

Good morning Miss Truthkeeper! What a way to spend the Fourth.


13 posted on 07/04/2011 5:50:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: truthkeeper

Morning all - Happy 4th!


14 posted on 07/04/2011 5:52:08 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: truthkeeper

Interesting- I hadn’t heard about the juror writing.

Here is a list of the jurors:
http://crime.about.com:80/od/current/a/Profiles-Of-The-Casey-Anthony-Trial-Jury-Members.htm

Juror No. 4
A black female possibly in her 40’s who said that she did not like to judge people by what other people said about them.
Pre-Trial Publicity: She said nothing that she heard about the case would influence her own opinion.

Death Penalty: She said that she “thinks” she could recommend the death sentence after weighing the aggravating and mitigating circumstances. “I just don’t like to point my finger at anyone,” she said. “What I mean by that is, judging someone by what they say.”

The prosecution tried three times, once for cause and twice with peremptory challenges, to remove this juror from the panel. The prosecution objected, saying that the challenge was racially biased. Judge Perry agreed, and would not allow the peremptory strike.


15 posted on 07/04/2011 5:55:29 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: truthkeeper
Happy 4th everyone!

Ashton up! So much better to tlisten to than Baez!

16 posted on 07/04/2011 5:55:45 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I STAND WITH SARAH...)
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To: truthkeeper

Casey looking giddy and crap while jury is out of the courtroom and once they come in she puts on her sour puss “Feel sorry for me” look. This kind of sick twisted POS needs the to go. Hope the jury will not be convinced of Beaz BS tactics.


17 posted on 07/04/2011 5:56:59 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: miss marmelstein
Good morning. I think Ashton is starting out doing a nice job making the scientific evidence more clear and pointing out the absurdities of the defense case. Impeaching Dr. Spitz (defense's expert) well.
What he is doing is very important. The jury needs this final clarification.
18 posted on 07/04/2011 5:57:06 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: truthkeeper

I’m not sure what all this body language stuff means. To me it is akin to phrenology - the reading of bumps on the head. TV commentators love this stuff - I actually heard one say that a juror was drumming a pen on her thigh - as if this meant anything.

So I’m not really worried about any of this. Now, a lady who says she has trouble judging anyone - that scares me!

Thank you again for doing this, Truth.


19 posted on 07/04/2011 5:57:40 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: truthkeeper

Just heard a newsie on Fox debating Judge Alex on the “no evidence” canard. There IS evidence, lots more evidence than in many cases. I just hope one of her clones isn’t sitting on this jury.


20 posted on 07/04/2011 5:57:50 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: truthkeeper
Good Morning FRiends
Hopefully Caylee's day of justice is near.
21 posted on 07/04/2011 5:58:07 AM PDT by Rapunzel (Allen West...please if u luv america run for POTUS 2012...Palin or Walker for VP)
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To: truthkeeper

I’ve followed this case closely, from those first few days in 2008 as the details began to emerge, to the closing arguments. In my mind, I don’t know how ANYONE could vote not-guilty for Casey. Her words and actions scream “I did it!”. Even her own mother perjured herself to protect her.

Casey is a narcissist of the first order, similar to O.J. Simpson. Destroying the lives of others means nothing, as long as prison is avoided. It worked for O.J. (at least in his murder trial) and we’ll know soon if it works for Casey. My bet? She’ll be found guilty.


22 posted on 07/04/2011 5:58:07 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: truthkeeper

I am having trouble following this morning. My brain is still in bed. :)


23 posted on 07/04/2011 6:01:22 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: miss marmelstein

See post # 14 about juror #4. It may not be as bad as it seems.

When the media makes generalizations I’ve learned to try and check the source ;) I’ve noticed it a lot during this trial- someone will make a sweeping statement that becomes accepted as fact when in fact it’s a distortion.


24 posted on 07/04/2011 6:02:00 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Kharis13
I agree Kharis. CASEY ANTHONY, GUILTY OF PRE MEDITATED MURDER.

There are 7 counts against Casey, so I doubt there is even a slight chance in hell she walks away free and clear.

Kharis are you here in Florida?

25 posted on 07/04/2011 6:02:37 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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Surely I didn’t just see Baez making faces?! Oh, wait.....yes I did!


26 posted on 07/04/2011 6:02:40 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I STAND WITH SARAH...)
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To: miss marmelstein

Actually, you CAN tell a lot by watching people carefully. So I give it some credence, while at the same time remembering that some of these body language “experts” are also playing for a teevee audience, and might embellish things somewhat for the sensationalism.

So glad the prosecutor is going after Dr. Spitz. Sort of made hash of him, in fact.


27 posted on 07/04/2011 6:04:29 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: CAluvdubya

yes, I saw early in the first few minutes, Baez was frowning and shaking his head, “no”.


28 posted on 07/04/2011 6:04:50 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: SE Mom

It’s only racially motivated because black Americans tend to be very forgiving (”redemption”) about criminals without wanting to afford them any punishment. This comes from so many black men being locked up in prison. It’s a problem on juries.


29 posted on 07/04/2011 6:05:18 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: SE Mom
Really interesting link to the jurors. Sounds to me like the "grandmother" could be #1 or #5.
Not sure what any of this could mean. It could be good that she's got her head down and is writing away. OTOH, why won't she look at Ashton?
30 posted on 07/04/2011 6:07:35 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: truthkeeper

Happy 4th of July! As much as I want Casey to be found guilty on all charges, I’m afraid she will get off and there won’t be justice for that precious little girl. We need to pray that Casey gets just what she deserves. I hope the jurors can see through Baez’s lies.

The last time I felt this nervous was during the ‘08 election when I was pulling for McCain/Palin and we all know how that turned out.


31 posted on 07/04/2011 6:07:48 AM PDT by dfc1 (I love Sarah!)
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To: truthkeeper
Thanks for the ping....Ashton's starting out low and slow; hope he doesn't put the jury to sleep.

I want some more of his fire and brimstone - maybe coming up down the line.

32 posted on 07/04/2011 6:11:10 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Kharis13
Casey is a narcissist of the first order, similar to O.J. Simpson ...and Barack Obama. Destroying the lives of others means nothing, as long as prison is avoided.

There... fixed it for you !

33 posted on 07/04/2011 6:14:12 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: truthkeeper

Ashton is doing a good job trying to remove doubt that Baez has sown concerning forensics.


34 posted on 07/04/2011 6:15:20 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: MizSterious

I kinda disagree. When I look at Casey, I don’t really care where her hands are or what her shoulders are doing. Her terrible facial expressions are what intrigues me. She goes from that pooched-mouthed sulky, angry look, to fake and real tears, to boredom and sleepiness and hissing fury. The last - which Nancy Grace keeps playing over and over again - makes her look like Ted Bundy!!


35 posted on 07/04/2011 6:16:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein
It’s only racially motivated because black Americans tend to be very forgiving (”redemption”) about criminals without wanting to afford them any punishment. This comes from so many black men being locked up in prison. It’s a problem on juries.

I've heard the same thing, that pertains mostly to black male defendants. Any such bias may not be a problem in this case. The commentator did mention that all the OTHER jurors (except the grandmother) didn't take their eyes off Ashton while he was speaking.

36 posted on 07/04/2011 6:16:08 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: ErnBatavia

He’s just tying it together. He has thought this through.


37 posted on 07/04/2011 6:16:11 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Guenevere
yes Ashton is doing a very methodical and effective job.

"If the chloroform exists (in the trunk), you must convict!"

38 posted on 07/04/2011 6:17:09 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: ErnBatavia

Well, maybe he doesn’t want to jerk those poor jurors out of their sleepy morning. Unlike the Judge, they don’t have a thermos of hot coffee to keep them awake!


39 posted on 07/04/2011 6:19:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein
She goes from that pooched-mouthed sulky, angry look, to fake and real tears, to boredom and sleepiness and hissing fury. The last - which Nancy Grace keeps playing over and over again - makes her look like Ted Bundy!!

I call that look as The Angry Guppy. Not sure what she thinks that's accomplishing as it is a manufactured look and to me it wouldn;t win over favor from the jurors.

40 posted on 07/04/2011 6:19:38 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: miss marmelstein

With Casey, you can’t trust the pop-analysis. Above all, she’s an actress, and she’s getting better at it over time. It wouldn’t surprise me if it came out that she practiced crying, just for instance, once she realized her lack of proper emotion was turning off the jury.

Most of us are not sociopaths, and give clues to what’s really on our minds all the time. Really good poker players use it their advantage frequently.


41 posted on 07/04/2011 6:21:21 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: truthkeeper

I still don’t understand how premeditation isn’t completely evident. First of all, the mandible is in place, so the duct tape was there at the time of death (preposterous to believe it was placed there later anyway). Secondly, the fact that there was duct tape on the face proves she killed her by suffocation and that she intended to kill her by suffocation, or she wouldn’t have had the duct tape with her in the first place. Everything else is irrelevant to the fact, really. What am I missing?


42 posted on 07/04/2011 6:22:35 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: miss marmelstein
The last - which Nancy Grace keeps playing over and over again - makes her look like Ted Bundy!!

Actually, her facial expression reminds me of how Tiger Woods looked when he was going through his "trials"

43 posted on 07/04/2011 6:23:08 AM PDT by peteram
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To: truthkeeper

I’ve served 3 times on jury duty (doesn’t exactly make me an expert, does it?!) and we always had one black male jury member. They always wanted to go for acquittal no matter what the race of the defendant. Sometimes this is good because it makes other jurors put on their thinking caps and work out the truth. On the other hand, it can be really trying!


44 posted on 07/04/2011 6:23:08 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein

from evidence to reasonable doubt......moving along.


45 posted on 07/04/2011 6:24:14 AM PDT by tioga
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To: truthkeeper

GM all...I didn’t know court started early. Has Ashton been speaking very long?? Did I miss something important?? Happy 4th everyone


46 posted on 07/04/2011 6:25:30 AM PDT by paul revere is riding (I'm really a Paula.....Go Cain)
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To: All

Good morning everyone!


47 posted on 07/04/2011 6:25:38 AM PDT by Chandalier (Obama is a Chicken Hawk!)
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Baez making more faces.

Ashton has gotton past the "boring" part early. He's building his blocks again and I'll bet it will be a fantastic finish!

48 posted on 07/04/2011 6:26:04 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (I STAND WITH SARAH...)
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To: Blue Highway

Yes, the Angry Guppy look. Perfect. It’s amazing how homely she’s turned out to be once the hair streaks and makeup have been taken away. Her true character is sooooo evident.


49 posted on 07/04/2011 6:26:41 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: truthkeeper

Burn the witch already.


50 posted on 07/04/2011 6:30:09 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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