Skip to comments.Dyslexia: What’s The Truth About Dyslexic Children?
Posted on 07/07/2011 12:15:33 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
Dyslexia turns out to be a lot like the Presidents birth certificate. There are a huge number of claims on each side. They cant all be right. Either the thing is real or it isnt.
You can find on the Internet an extraordinary number of people who talk about dyslexia as if its not only an ultimate reality but some sort of gift from God. (Oh, your brains may be scrambled but somehow its a wonderful thing because you see the world in a new way!)
On the other side, you can find people saying that dyslexia is a lie, a hoax, nothing but nonsense. Ive seen a video of an English politician declaring flatly: Its a wicked excuse to cover up bad teaching.
So what is this crazy thing that people can describe as both night and day?
First of all, theres no question that the dyslexic kid has a reading problem. The question is whether the kid was born with this problem and brought it to school? Or did the school take a perfectly normal child and create a disability by using bad instructional methods???
The Education Establishment, of course, wants to blame everything on the kid. Hey, they complain, we cant be expected to teach defective kids.
So this is a huge debate, with vast educational, legal, psychological, neurological, and financial implications.
My own conclusion is that dyslexia is mostly a myth.
A year ago I put a graphic video on YouTube called The Strange Truth About Dyslexia. Only about 4 minutes, it covers the main debate fairly well. A big portion of it is given up to quotes from Siegfried Engelmann. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeFLLnRWROQ )
But in four minutes you cant delve into all the issues. The Education Establishment wins all their victories by making everything so complicated that no ordinary citizen has a chance. So I decided to write a long, thorough analysis. Not exactly light reading, but for people involved in the Reading Wars or damaged by the Reading Wars, this article might be helpful.
Dyslexia: The Evil Myth (a report from Improve-Education.org) -- www.fastpitchnetworking.com/pressrelease.cfm?PRID=64894 )
My opinion is that we have a growing trend of creating false medical conditions to relief people of personal responsibility and to many times help enrich different industries like the pharmaceutical industry. Bi-polar, ADD, dyslexia, etc .
Ironically, the real cure is to read every classical novel ever written and writing a lot of essays. Also, learning to type helps.
That's it. Pretty simple really; but, our society is f*ing lazy that we'd make excuses rather than push a child to break a easily fixed "disability".
Ironically, the real cure is to read every classical novel ever written and writing a lot of essays. Also, learning to type helps.
That's it. Pretty simple really; but, our society is f*ing lazy that we'd make excuses rather than push a child to break this easily fixed "disability".
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that the wonderfully complex human brain may well have several different modes/methods/manners of processing information such as the writen word. Dyslexia would them simply be the effect of someone who was taught to try and use the most prevalent method of decoding, which appears out of order to their brain?
Most dyslexics can read, but have to modify their approach to perceiving the written word to account for the difference in their decoding method.
I am not a doctor - but this seems awfully logical to me.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to question the truth regarding the condition(s) called Dyslexia. Have we become so sanctimonious that we cannot bear to be questioned?
How about Autism, ADHD, etc.?
Being dyslexic myself, I have to vehemently disagree with you that the “condition,” as you call it, doesn’t exist. I had it before it became popular to have it. So don’t paint with such a broad brush. My grandfather lived in the day when being left-handed was considered a rebellious act and he was punished unmercifully for it.
Ugh - I do NOT blame dyslexia for my typos - they are my own creations, and I am darned proud of them!!! ;-P
Dyslexia is provably real. The world has millions of such people. In some countries entire categories/classes of people simply can't learn to read. There's obviously a genetic complement.
I think you are referring to the disease where people imagine they have pink threads coming out through their skin. Now that's imaginary.
Agree 100% creating false medical conditions to relief people of personal responsibility.
Never trust somebody who pretends to have a title and wants to put his finger in your butt.
Doctors are over rated. Do you have opinions about things you don't do for a living?
Yes? Then your question is stupid.
Do you have any Masters Degree???
Do you have a condition that causes you to repeat punctuation marks?
No,m then you dont know what you are talking about.
Nom nom nom!
I have relatives who suffer these illnesses
I'm sure you have some very interesting relatives.
How come we never question physical diseases, like cancer etc???
Uneducated people question mental conditions because it’s inconvenient for them, and their love of money.
Again, if you have no Master’s Degree in this area, not a doctor or have never dealt with anyone with any of these conditions, you do not know what you are talking about.
You can find on the Internet an extraordinary number of people who talk about dyslexia as if its not only an ultimate reality but some sort of gift from God.
And the great thing about alzheimer's is that you get to meet new people every day.
I would suggest that dyslexia is both real and gradated. That is, it can not only be a matter of degree, with few children being profoundly dyslexic, and some being somewhat dyslexic, and most children being a little dyslexic at times, following the standard distribution (bell shaped) curve; but it can also be confused with other, non-clinical neural conditions.
To start with, dyslexia is probably noticed at first with spelling errors that aren’t spelling errors. That is, a student sees a word, say “cat”, and knows what a cat is and how to spell it, but writes it down as the word “act”. And not just with that one word, but consistently, if intermittently, with other words as well. This is a good indicator that only a small part of their brain is making a mistake.
But why should dyslexia be in the first place? Lots of possibilities. It could have some basis in how the eyes track in western writing, that is from left to right and top to bottom; instead of languages that read from top to bottom, like Chinese, or right to left, like Hebrew.
Or, also likely, it could be some lesser version of synesthesia, where the senses overlap producing odd sensory interpretations, like “seeing music as color”, and “hearing temperature”. Some 60 varieties of synesthesia are known, and there are likely more.
Unusual neurological conditions are in fact so widespread that it is difficult to describe how a “normal” brain behaves.
But the effects of more serious dyslexia appear to be common, typically a learned aversion to reading. Reading is difficult, and as such becomes unpleasant. Which could explain why there are so many non-reading, if literate, adults out there.
What seems to back up the related conditions situation is an experiment for a related reading problem called Irlen or Meares-Irlen Syndrome (aka scoptic sensitivity syndrome). Australian researchers discovered that children could quickly overcome this reading problem with just color tinted, clear glass lenses.
In function, Irlen might seem to be like dyslexia, but dyslexia doesn’t respond to this therapy at all, so is now a quick diagnosis. And to further indicate that dyslexia exists as a separate syndrome, there is no placebo effect with tinted lenses. That is, a dyslectic gets zero benefit, knows it, and says so.
There are several excellent sites for children with Auditory Processing Disorder , which is one of the leading causes of dyslexia, and while there is little doubt that the source is neurological , there are many coping trchniques that a person can adapt that allow them to function, learn, read and participate in society. But to suggest this is all the school's fault and if only they had taught phonics , or whatever else youre trying to peddle, thats nothing but simplifying BS. Im certainly no fan of the public schools , but that is Scientology-like nonsense.
They see everything the other way?
And stuttering is just a different manner of speaking.
Oh so in your world someone must have a Master’s degree or be a doctor in order to have an opinion. And then you go on to compare those with dyslexia to Holocaust victims?
You then go on to claim that it is obvious to you that they are real though I see no claim from yourself to have a Masters or that you are a doctor so I guess you are alright with your own opinion.
Do you think at all before you post or just go into a rage when you disagree with something you read? Maybe you could go and get yourself diagnosed with some new made up condition.
Knock it off!
“It could have some basis in how the eyes track in western writing, that is from left to right and top to bottom; instead of languages that read from top to bottom, like Chinese, or right to left, like Hebrew.”
Bingo. I could read very well. Just could not even print it or write it without mixing up the letters. Numbers too. I could be looking at a calculator and write the answer down wrong. Had trouble with telephone numbers. LEARNED Hebrew when I was 5 years old and never had a problem. I could also mirror read, and did it frequently until someone told me how abnormal it was. I thought everyone could do it. I also learned how to be silent.
I think that explains my wife (whom her teachers though was dyslexic at one point) and her cure.
I don’t think she went for classics though. She’s an SF fan like me.
It was originally posted on the Wall Street Jounral but since you have to subscribe to the WSJ to read the entire article, I posted this link instead but for those who have an online subscription to the WSJ, search for it and read it.
Your posting history, though short, shows that you are a particularly nasty piece of work:
You like to call your betters names.
You make assumptions based upon nothing.
You make pronouncements based upon ignorance and emotion.
Make your time.
I like the way you explain dyslexia.
I’ve had it all my life, I can read in mirror image as easily as normal reading. I also have degrees in 4 different engineering fields. It’s not a problem for me. It’s a problem for those who don’t understand and want to put labels and victim status on everything. I’d bet that Da Vinci was dyslexic. He wrote his notes in mirror image as a code, and he certainly was no dummy.
I suspect class envy on those who deny these conditions. People tend to hate those who are smart, more educated and make more money than them(doctors, anyone with a college degree and wealth)
Also, hating those who are different in anyway.
Denying those with disabilities, saying their disability is “made up”, is just another way of bullying, throwing them aside, saying they are not worthy of life. A lot in common with the abortion/eugenics.
I don’t see them offering any help or solutions. It’s all about “me,me,me” and money,money,money. Real selfish backwards mentality. No morality at all.
But we DO question physical diseases. We ask, for instance, if cancer is one disease or several. We ask if cancer is related to heredity and/or environment.
It’s not wrong to question courteously and with real intent to find the truth. Personally, I think it’s wrong to assume questioners are “uneducated,” greedy, and “have no idea what they are talking about.” Look at it this way: you may be absolutely right that dyslexia, for instance, is exactly as you think it is. If not, maybe we’re onto something new that may enable us to help the millions of people who have symptoms of what we now label dyslexia.
I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but the ingestion and production of information are two distinctly different processes. With stuttering, the speaker fails to correctly translate their own thoughts into words as they intend - the stutter isn’t the intended manner of speaking, yet it comes out.
In reading, the brain is decoding symbols on paper that are intended to represent words. Most people are taught only one or two decoding methods, while there are many that can be used. Not having one suited to the actual internal brain mechanisms that do the decoding work can be vexing.
Again - I am operating in conjecture, but this is the way I see the world. (But at least I admit I am speculating - LOL)
Both of us being engineers - I have to correct your use of the word “explain”. I’m simply offering my analysis of the issue, which is formed solely from my own learning and experience, and shouldn’t be confused with scientific fact.
It’s just my viewpoint.
But I’m glad you can accept it as a useful analysis. Take care!
Right. Folks envy those with disabilities. Smoked much crack today?
People tend to hate those who are smart, more educated and make more money than them
You're right, the disabled folks are smarter, richer, more educated.. we poor schmucks are envious of them.
You may have a disability yourself.. in that your mental processes don't seem to be working well.
Is there a disability category for "Idiot"?
I reckon you would qualify easily.
(s) we had problems with my child, they would act up and not do their homeworks. The stress was unbelievable... so the doctor gave us special pills called PLACEBOS to help with focus. Coupled with controversial methods. No TV until homework done, parents must help children with homework, acting up results in time out, and the like our child has improved.....(dripping sarcasm off)
I stand corrected. I am very obviously passionate about these and all other social/moral/cultural issues. My passion tends to get the better of me a lot.
I do not doubt there are those in the mental health and disability profession who have a leftist, liberty-hating agenda, after all the left has managed to infiltrate and dominate almost every institution and industry in America for the past who knows how many decades now.
Obviously, real or not, conservatives would have the better solutions than any on the left.
I think there is some sort of difference in the mechanisms associated with reading that's a large part of it. The optic nerve, the brain, whatever, but least in some cases the problem can be cured. Some people have told me I see things differently than other folks but so what? That's not really good or bad, just differences between individuals.
I was talking about doctors.
In any case, I’m done fighting with you.
We should both cool our heads, and not be so rude.
Have a good day.
Welcome back, Madmaximus! We all get wound up over things that matter to us.
Ah, yes. Those charming folks who append a fake title to their name.
The ones who stand between people and medicine. The ones who presume to give "orders".
Aren't they great? "No antibiotics for you until I get paid!"
Never trust anyone who sports a fake title and wants to put his finger in your butt.
My perception is that dyslexia, and ADHD for that matter, are real enough problems, but that lazy teachers use their existence as an excuse for their failures, i.e. claiming that any student that doesn’t benefit from their instruction must have a problem.
We were not taught phonics to read or write with in school
I was always top of my class in reading but terrible in writing...
They tested me in 6th grade to figure out why and found I had a 2nt year collage level vocabulary and verbal skill
(I just picked up my mother's vocabulary who went to work at 15 as a maid but was a self taught student reading book after book ever day of her life)
...So the really was I was just reading by guessing the words by context in the sentence the letter in the word just gave me the clue to guess....
However this does not work in writing and if you have an average vocabulary it does not work very well for reading either.
Yes, that’s what my article is about. I’m in the same camp as Flesch, Blumenfeld, Engelmann, Mona McNee, Marva Collins, etc. The fascinating challenge, however, is to explain why Whole Word causes so many problems.
However, this does not mean that mediocre "therapists" have not started to see bipolar disorder where it does not in fact exist.
“My grandfather lived in the day when being left-handed was considered a rebellious act and he was punished unmercifully for it.”
I remember my Grandma doing everything short of beating my little sister for eating with her left hand. And this was in the early 70’s.
It certainly messed with sis’s head.
She voted for o.
My point was that if there is a disability you do not redefine it as a non-disability, something normal, you try to cure it. You don’t tell a stutterer that stuttering is normal, you try to cure his stuttering. You don’t tell a dyslexic that dyslexia is normal, you try to cure his dyslexia.
Since my girls brought home papers with some phonetic exercies on them, it did not occur to me to question how they were being taught until their teacher said that one of my girls was having trouble "decoding" a word. Since I had no idea what that meant, I began to look into it and discovered Flesh's books. It still makes me furious to think how the education establishment keep using a method that they knew was not working, just because PhDs and textbook companies had staked their reputations and careers on it!
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