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Dyslexia: What’s The Truth About Dyslexic Children?
FastPitch ^ | July 6, 2011 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 07/07/2011 12:15:33 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

Dyslexia turns out to be a lot like the President’s birth certificate. There are a huge number of claims on each side. They can’t all be right. Either the thing is real or it isn’t.

You can find on the Internet an extraordinary number of people who talk about dyslexia as if it’s not only an ultimate reality but some sort of gift from God. (Oh, your brains may be scrambled but somehow it’s a wonderful thing because you see the world in a new way!)

On the other side, you can find people saying that dyslexia is a lie, a hoax, nothing but nonsense. I’ve seen a video of an English politician declaring flatly: “It’s a wicked excuse to cover up bad teaching.”

So what is this crazy thing that people can describe as both night and day?

First of all, there’s no question that the dyslexic kid has a reading problem. The question is whether the kid was born with this problem and brought it to school? Or did the school take a perfectly normal child and create a disability by using bad instructional methods???

The Education Establishment, of course, wants to blame everything on the kid. Hey, they complain, we can’t be expected to teach defective kids.

So this is a huge debate, with vast educational, legal, psychological, neurological, and financial implications.

My own conclusion is that dyslexia is mostly a myth.

A year ago I put a graphic video on YouTube called “The Strange Truth About Dyslexia.” Only about 4 minutes, it covers the main debate fairly well. A big portion of it is given up to quotes from Siegfried Engelmann. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeFLLnRWROQ )

But in four minutes you can’t delve into all the issues. The Education Establishment wins all their victories by making everything so complicated that no ordinary citizen has a chance. So I decided to write a long, thorough analysis. Not exactly light reading, but for people involved in the Reading Wars or damaged by the Reading Wars, this article might be helpful.

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Dyslexia: The Evil Myth (a report from Improve-Education.org) -- www.fastpitchnetworking.com/pressrelease.cfm?PRID=64894 )


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: k12; literacy; publicschools
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1 posted on 07/07/2011 12:15:36 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

My opinion is that we have a growing trend of creating false medical conditions to relief people of personal responsibility and to many times help enrich different industries like the pharmaceutical industry. Bi-polar, ADD, dyslexia, etc….


2 posted on 07/07/2011 12:22:45 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Stamp out dailysex dyslexia.
3 posted on 07/07/2011 12:25:47 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: Maceman

Dislexics UNTIE!


5 posted on 07/07/2011 12:30:34 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Dear BDP,

OF.


6 posted on 07/07/2011 12:31:26 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marine Corps, your greatest friend or your worst enemy. YOU choose.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
It's real.

Ironically, the real cure is to read every classical novel ever written and writing a lot of essays. Also, learning to type helps.

That's it. Pretty simple really; but, our society is f*ing lazy that we'd make excuses rather than push a child to break a easily fixed "disability".

7 posted on 07/07/2011 12:34:47 PM PDT by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
It's real.

Ironically, the real cure is to read every classical novel ever written and writing a lot of essays. Also, learning to type helps.

That's it. Pretty simple really; but, our society is f*ing lazy that we'd make excuses rather than push a child to break this easily fixed "disability".

8 posted on 07/07/2011 12:35:11 PM PDT by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that the wonderfully complex human brain may well have several different modes/methods/manners of processing information such as the writen word. Dyslexia would them simply be the effect of someone who was taught to try and use the most prevalent method of decoding, which appears out of order to their brain?

Most dyslexics can read, but have to modify their approach to perceiving the written word to account for the difference in their decoding method.

I am not a doctor - but this seems awfully logical to me.


9 posted on 07/07/2011 12:35:40 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: madmaximus

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to question the truth regarding the condition(s) called Dyslexia. Have we become so sanctimonious that we cannot bear to be questioned?

How about Autism, ADHD, etc.?

Just askin’.


10 posted on 07/07/2011 12:36:53 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Being dyslexic myself, I have to vehemently disagree with you that the “condition,” as you call it, doesn’t exist. I had it before it became popular to have it. So don’t paint with such a broad brush. My grandfather lived in the day when being left-handed was considered a rebellious act and he was punished unmercifully for it.


11 posted on 07/07/2011 12:37:38 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: MortMan

Ugh - I do NOT blame dyslexia for my typos - they are my own creations, and I am darned proud of them!!! ;-P


12 posted on 07/07/2011 12:37:42 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: TheBigIf
Bi-polar disorder is pretty much a deletion of DNA sequences in specific genes, or even the absence of those genes.

Dyslexia is provably real. The world has millions of such people. In some countries entire categories/classes of people simply can't learn to read. There's obviously a genetic complement.

I think you are referring to the disease where people imagine they have pink threads coming out through their skin. Now that's imaginary.

13 posted on 07/07/2011 12:38:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TheBigIf

Agree 100% creating false medical conditions to relief people of personal responsibility.


14 posted on 07/07/2011 12:39:07 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: madmaximus
These conditions are real> Are you a doctor??

Never trust somebody who pretends to have a title and wants to put his finger in your butt.
Doctors are over rated. Do you have opinions about things you don't do for a living?
Yes? Then your question is stupid.

Do you have any Master’s Degree???

Do you have a condition that causes you to repeat punctuation marks?

No,m then you don’t know what you are talking about.

Nom nom nom!

I have relatives who suffer these illnesses

I'm sure you have some very interesting relatives.

15 posted on 07/07/2011 12:40:48 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: July4

How come we never question physical diseases, like cancer etc???

Uneducated people question mental conditions because it’s inconvenient for them, and their love of money.

Again, if you have no Master’s Degree in this area, not a doctor or have never dealt with anyone with any of these conditions, you do not know what you are talking about.


16 posted on 07/07/2011 12:42:06 PM PDT by madmaximus (Liberaltarians=junkies,perverts,anti-semites,anti-military,cultural marxists without all the taxes)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
My question is why they spell dyslexia in a way that's so easy to screw up if you have dyslexia? I even accidentally say lysdexia sometimes.

You can find on the Internet an extraordinary number of people who talk about dyslexia as if it’s not only an ultimate reality but some sort of gift from God.

And the great thing about alzheimer's is that you get to meet new people every day.

17 posted on 07/07/2011 12:42:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I would suggest that dyslexia is both real and gradated. That is, it can not only be a matter of degree, with few children being profoundly dyslexic, and some being somewhat dyslexic, and most children being a little dyslexic at times, following the standard distribution (bell shaped) curve; but it can also be confused with other, non-clinical neural conditions.

To start with, dyslexia is probably noticed at first with spelling errors that aren’t spelling errors. That is, a student sees a word, say “cat”, and knows what a cat is and how to spell it, but writes it down as the word “act”. And not just with that one word, but consistently, if intermittently, with other words as well. This is a good indicator that only a small part of their brain is making a mistake.

But why should dyslexia be in the first place? Lots of possibilities. It could have some basis in how the eyes track in western writing, that is from left to right and top to bottom; instead of languages that read from top to bottom, like Chinese, or right to left, like Hebrew.

Or, also likely, it could be some lesser version of synesthesia, where the senses overlap producing odd sensory interpretations, like “seeing music as color”, and “hearing temperature”. Some 60 varieties of synesthesia are known, and there are likely more.

Unusual neurological conditions are in fact so widespread that it is difficult to describe how a “normal” brain behaves.

But the effects of more serious dyslexia appear to be common, typically a learned aversion to reading. Reading is difficult, and as such becomes unpleasant. Which could explain why there are so many non-reading, if literate, adults out there.

What seems to back up the related conditions situation is an experiment for a related reading problem called Irlen or Meares-Irlen Syndrome (aka scoptic sensitivity syndrome). Australian researchers discovered that children could quickly overcome this reading problem with just color tinted, clear glass lenses.

In function, Irlen might seem to be like dyslexia, but dyslexia doesn’t respond to this therapy at all, so is now a quick diagnosis. And to further indicate that dyslexia exists as a separate syndrome, there is no placebo effect with tinted lenses. That is, a dyslectic gets zero benefit, knows it, and says so.


19 posted on 07/07/2011 12:44:18 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Having a son with CAPD and dyslexia, and having tutored him myself and had him in Fast Forward and in a private high school for dyslexics which has been around for a hundred years, I would have to say... you are full of crap.

There are several excellent sites for children with Auditory Processing Disorder , which is one of the leading causes of dyslexia, and while there is little doubt that the source is neurological , there are many coping trchniques that a person can adapt that allow them to function, learn, read and participate in society. But to suggest this is all the school's fault and if only they had taught phonics , or whatever else youre trying to peddle, thats nothing but simplifying BS. Im certainly no fan of the public schools , but that is Scientology-like nonsense.

20 posted on 07/07/2011 12:44:21 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

They see everything the other way?


22 posted on 07/07/2011 12:45:35 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: MortMan
Why is it so difficult for people to understand that the wonderfully complex human brain may well have several different modes/methods/manners of processing information

And stuttering is just a different manner of speaking.

23 posted on 07/07/2011 12:45:48 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: madmaximus

Oh so in your world someone must have a Master’s degree or be a doctor in order to have an opinion. And then you go on to compare those with dyslexia to Holocaust victims?

You then go on to claim that it is obvious to you that they are real though I see no claim from yourself to have a Masters or that you are a doctor so I guess you are alright with your own opinion.

Do you think at all before you post or just go into a rage when you disagree with something you read? Maybe you could go and get yourself diagnosed with some new made up condition.


24 posted on 07/07/2011 12:56:27 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: madmaximus

Knock it off!


25 posted on 07/07/2011 12:58:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“It could have some basis in how the eyes track in western writing, that is from left to right and top to bottom; instead of languages that read from top to bottom, like Chinese, or right to left, like Hebrew.”

Bingo. I could read very well. Just could not even print it or write it without mixing up the letters. Numbers too. I could be looking at a calculator and write the answer down wrong. Had trouble with telephone numbers. LEARNED Hebrew when I was 5 years old and never had a problem. I could also mirror read, and did it frequently until someone told me how abnormal it was. I thought everyone could do it. I also learned how to be silent.


26 posted on 07/07/2011 12:59:04 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: Porterville

I think that explains my wife (whom her teachers though was dyslexic at one point) and her cure.
I don’t think she went for classics though. She’s an SF fan like me.


27 posted on 07/07/2011 1:01:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
The most fascinating and promising research on dyslexia in recent media reports is research that indicates dyslexics have a very visual view of the world and do better at learning to read and write in pictographic languages such as Japanese or Chinese than phonetic languages such as English or Korean.

Can Learning Japanese or Chinese Help Dyslexia?

It was originally posted on the Wall Street Jounral but since you have to subscribe to the WSJ to read the entire article, I posted this link instead but for those who have an online subscription to the WSJ, search for it and read it.

28 posted on 07/07/2011 1:05:48 PM PDT by Tamar1973
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To: madmaximus

Your posting history, though short, shows that you are a particularly nasty piece of work:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:madmaximus/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

You like to call your betters names.
You make assumptions based upon nothing.
You make pronouncements based upon ignorance and emotion.

Make your time.


29 posted on 07/07/2011 1:09:26 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: MortMan

I like the way you explain dyslexia.
I’ve had it all my life, I can read in mirror image as easily as normal reading. I also have degrees in 4 different engineering fields. It’s not a problem for me. It’s a problem for those who don’t understand and want to put labels and victim status on everything. I’d bet that Da Vinci was dyslexic. He wrote his notes in mirror image as a code, and he certainly was no dummy.


30 posted on 07/07/2011 1:14:35 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (2012 is the opportunity to get rid of Obama and his Empire of Lies.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I suspect class envy on those who deny these conditions. People tend to hate those who are smart, more educated and make more money than them(doctors, anyone with a college degree and wealth)

Also, hating those who are different in anyway.

Denying those with disabilities, saying their disability is “made up”, is just another way of bullying, throwing them aside, saying they are not worthy of life. A lot in common with the abortion/eugenics.

I don’t see them offering any help or solutions. It’s all about “me,me,me” and money,money,money. Real selfish backwards mentality. No morality at all.


31 posted on 07/07/2011 1:18:00 PM PDT by madmaximus (Liberaltarians=junkies,perverts,anti-semites,anti-military,cultural marxists without all the taxes)
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To: madmaximus

But we DO question physical diseases. We ask, for instance, if cancer is one disease or several. We ask if cancer is related to heredity and/or environment.

It’s not wrong to question courteously and with real intent to find the truth. Personally, I think it’s wrong to assume questioners are “uneducated,” greedy, and “have no idea what they are talking about.” Look at it this way: you may be absolutely right that dyslexia, for instance, is exactly as you think it is. If not, maybe we’re onto something new that may enable us to help the millions of people who have symptoms of what we now label dyslexia.


32 posted on 07/07/2011 1:31:27 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but the ingestion and production of information are two distinctly different processes. With stuttering, the speaker fails to correctly translate their own thoughts into words as they intend - the stutter isn’t the intended manner of speaking, yet it comes out.

In reading, the brain is decoding symbols on paper that are intended to represent words. Most people are taught only one or two decoding methods, while there are many that can be used. Not having one suited to the actual internal brain mechanisms that do the decoding work can be vexing.

Again - I am operating in conjecture, but this is the way I see the world. (But at least I admit I am speculating - LOL)


33 posted on 07/07/2011 1:36:31 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: BuffaloJack

Both of us being engineers - I have to correct your use of the word “explain”. I’m simply offering my analysis of the issue, which is formed solely from my own learning and experience, and shouldn’t be confused with scientific fact.

It’s just my viewpoint.

But I’m glad you can accept it as a useful analysis. Take care!


34 posted on 07/07/2011 1:40:15 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: madmaximus
I suspect class envy on those who deny these conditions.

Right. Folks envy those with disabilities. Smoked much crack today?

People tend to hate those who are smart, more educated and make more money than them

You're right, the disabled folks are smarter, richer, more educated.. we poor schmucks are envious of them.

You may have a disability yourself.. in that your mental processes don't seem to be working well.

Is there a disability category for "Idiot"?

I reckon you would qualify easily.

35 posted on 07/07/2011 1:41:35 PM PDT by humblegunner
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(s) we had problems with my child, they would act up and not do their homeworks. The stress was unbelievable... so the doctor gave us special pills called PLACEBOS to help with focus. Coupled with controversial methods. No TV until homework done, parents must help children with homework, acting up results in time out, and the like our child has improved.....(dripping sarcasm off)


36 posted on 07/07/2011 1:43:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: July4

I stand corrected. I am very obviously passionate about these and all other social/moral/cultural issues. My passion tends to get the better of me a lot.

I do not doubt there are those in the mental health and disability profession who have a leftist, liberty-hating agenda, after all the left has managed to infiltrate and dominate almost every institution and industry in America for the past who knows how many decades now.

Obviously, real or not, conservatives would have the better solutions than any on the left.


37 posted on 07/07/2011 1:46:00 PM PDT by madmaximus (Liberaltarians=junkies,perverts,anti-semites,anti-military,cultural marxists without all the taxes)
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To: Porterville
When I was in kindergarten and learning to read, the words would sort of run around on the page and flip back and forth. I complained but an eye exam said there was nothing wrong with my eyes. So, I worked at reading and the faster I read the less the words ran around. By the third grade I didn't have any problem with words doing funny things while I was reading and I always tested as having very good comprehension of what I read.

I think there is some sort of difference in the mechanisms associated with reading that's a large part of it. The optic nerve, the brain, whatever, but least in some cases the problem can be cured. Some people have told me I see things differently than other folks but so what? That's not really good or bad, just differences between individuals.

JMHO

Regards

38 posted on 07/07/2011 1:47:07 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: humblegunner

I was talking about doctors.

In any case, I’m done fighting with you.

We should both cool our heads, and not be so rude.

Have a good day.


39 posted on 07/07/2011 1:47:47 PM PDT by madmaximus (Liberaltarians=junkies,perverts,anti-semites,anti-military,cultural marxists without all the taxes)
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To: madmaximus

Welcome back, Madmaximus! We all get wound up over things that matter to us.


40 posted on 07/07/2011 1:49:52 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: madmaximus
I was talking about doctors.

Ah, yes. Those charming folks who append a fake title to their name.

The ones who stand between people and medicine. The ones who presume to give "orders".

Aren't they great? "No antibiotics for you until I get paid!"

Never trust anyone who sports a fake title and wants to put his finger in your butt.

41 posted on 07/07/2011 1:58:59 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

My perception is that dyslexia, and ADHD for that matter, are real enough problems, but that lazy teachers use their existence as an excuse for their failures, i.e. claiming that any student that doesn’t benefit from their instruction must have a problem.


42 posted on 07/07/2011 2:16:04 PM PDT by chb
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Although true cases of dyslexia probably do exist, in my opinion the rise in the incidence of dyslexia can be attributed to the replacement of phonetics with the "look and say" method of teaching reading. Rudolf Flesch wrote Why Johnny Can't Read and What You Can Do About It in 1955 as well as the sequel Why Johnny Still Can't Read-A New Look At the Scandal in Our Schools in 1981. I discovered these books when my twin daughters (now 30) were in elementary school and having more difficulty than I thought they should have with reading. I recommend both of these books as an eye-opening look at the education establishment in the United States.
43 posted on 07/07/2011 2:17:31 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;therefore choose life..")
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Being dyslexia I would say the "whole word techniques" for reading (reading by recognition) is the source of the problem ...

We were not taught phonics to read or write with in school

I was always top of my class in reading but terrible in writing...

They tested me in 6th grade to figure out why and found I had a 2nt year collage level vocabulary and verbal skill

(I just picked up my mother's vocabulary who went to work at 15 as a maid but was a self taught student reading book after book ever day of her life)

...So the really was I was just reading by guessing the words by context in the sentence the letter in the word just gave me the clue to guess....

However this does not work in writing and if you have an average vocabulary it does not work very well for reading either.

44 posted on 07/07/2011 2:28:57 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Global Warming, undeniable truth; Obama, infallible genius; Apple perfect, invented everything)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

read later


45 posted on 07/07/2011 2:39:14 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: srmorton

Yes, that’s what my article is about. I’m in the same camp as Flesch, Blumenfeld, Engelmann, Mona McNee, Marva Collins, etc. The fascinating challenge, however, is to explain why Whole Word causes so many problems.


46 posted on 07/07/2011 2:39:14 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: muawiyah
Bipolar disorder is real. We have examples of people who suffered from it long before liberalism was dominant. Such people are sometimes extremely creative and hard-working during their "up" periods, before sinking into suicidal depression. We also have clear evidence of a strong hereditary tendency in bipolar disease.

However, this does not mean that mediocre "therapists" have not started to see bipolar disorder where it does not in fact exist.

47 posted on 07/07/2011 2:45:53 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: MestaMachine

“My grandfather lived in the day when being left-handed was considered a rebellious act and he was punished unmercifully for it.”

I remember my Grandma doing everything short of beating my little sister for eating with her left hand. And this was in the early 70’s.

It certainly messed with sis’s head.

She voted for o.


48 posted on 07/07/2011 2:48:26 PM PDT by waterhill (Little 'r' republican: taker of the Founder's 'Red Pill'...www.mikechurch.com)
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To: MortMan

My point was that if there is a disability you do not redefine it as a non-disability, something normal, you try to cure it. You don’t tell a stutterer that stuttering is normal, you try to cure his stuttering. You don’t tell a dyslexic that dyslexia is normal, you try to cure his dyslexia.


49 posted on 07/07/2011 3:07:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
I apologize for only reading the exerpt before posting. I just feel so strongly about this subject! I had done so well in public school and college that I trusted the school system to teach my children to read. I was taught to read phonetically and have always loved to read. My husband was taught by the "look and say" method and has always hated to read, even though he is a college graduate.

Since my girls brought home papers with some phonetic exercies on them, it did not occur to me to question how they were being taught until their teacher said that one of my girls was having trouble "decoding" a word. Since I had no idea what that meant, I began to look into it and discovered Flesh's books. It still makes me furious to think how the education establishment keep using a method that they knew was not working, just because PhDs and textbook companies had staked their reputations and careers on it!

50 posted on 07/07/2011 3:32:03 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;therefore choose life..")
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