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Freep a Poll! (Should medicare, medicaid and SS be on the table for deficit reduction?)
baltimoresun.com ^ | 7-7-11 | Baltimore Sun

Posted on 07/07/2011 5:32:28 PM PDT by dynachrome

Reforming entitlements

Should changes to the major federal entitlement programs (Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security) be on the table as President Barack Obama and Republicans negotiate to reduce the deficit?

Yes

No

Not sure

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Poll is way down on the left. Gee, nothing else could be cut?
1 posted on 07/07/2011 5:32:30 PM PDT by dynachrome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
Thanks to AZ.44Mag for this one! Poll is way down on the left.

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2 posted on 07/07/2011 5:34:06 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

EVERYTHING should be cut. This is like local goobermints threatening to cut cops, firemen, and teachers every time there’s a budget crunch.

Thanks for posting, I gotta go!


3 posted on 07/07/2011 5:40:37 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: dynachrome
Social security could be cut. First we should cut politician's salaries way down, take their perks and county clubs. Cut federal and union wages. When everything else fail then cut SS ad Medicare by 1%.
4 posted on 07/07/2011 5:41:37 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: dynachrome; qam1

Yes.


5 posted on 07/07/2011 5:41:40 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: mountainlion

Yes, cut Congressional salaries first! How about foreign aid? And did the EPA really need a 34% increase on the last budget? Mmmmm? Social Security to me is not entirely an entitlement...I’ve paid thousands and thousands and thousands into it since I was 15.


6 posted on 07/07/2011 5:45:29 PM PDT by ransacked
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To: dynachrome

48% yes

50% no

2% not sure 8:32 PM EST


7 posted on 07/07/2011 5:47:58 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: dynachrome

They did not mention all the wasteful government spending....so NO.

When they cut ‘all’ the waste then we’ll talk the other. Like the millions Reid sends to his state to errect buildings with his name on them etc.

People paid into SS. It’s not the Governments money regardless of how or not they managed it. Get rid of “all” the welfare fraud too...and all these freeloaders on disability. Then we’ll talk.

They’re just looking where the big bucks are that will hit all the people, instead of the billions they use for brownie points.

So a big NO!


8 posted on 07/07/2011 5:48:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: dynachrome

NO the criminal Government stole money out of MY paycheck for SS,I do not give a damn what that worthless, shuffling Kenyan Idiot wants, this is America NOT his third world Chit Hole!


9 posted on 07/07/2011 5:49:17 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: rabscuttle385

No. Young women currently receiving welfare checks, government housing, and food stamps are far more able to work than the elderly. When we’ve cut out welfare to young, healthy individuals, then we can care for the elderly and disabled, who are the ones that deserve to be cared for.


10 posted on 07/07/2011 5:51:48 PM PDT by Joyell
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To: mountainlion

To obtain anywhere near a balanced budget and bring the total Federal deficit under control, a contraction of 35%-40% in Federal spending is going to be needed. That means some serious rethinking of ALL entitlement programs. If we don’t do it now it will be forced on us later with much more pain. Mathematics doesn’t lie. The FSA(Free Sh_t Army) will not be happy...


11 posted on 07/07/2011 5:51:57 PM PDT by yadent
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To: dynachrome

They shouldn’t lump the welfare cases (medicaid) in with Social Security and Medicare.


12 posted on 07/07/2011 5:52:35 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dynachrome

Didn’t think it would be this close. Wake up, folks. We’re broke.

Yes
(112 responses)
49%

No
(111 responses)
49%

Huh? What?
(5 responses)
2%

228 total responses


13 posted on 07/07/2011 5:59:21 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: yadent
Social security is not an entitlement, Medicare maybe. Lets defend the alphabet: ATF,ICE,FIB,Doe,FAA,NPS... Bring back the ethic “if you do not work you do not eat”. Don't threaten to take 401K and IRA until congress and the Army wages are the same. Colorado pays $5B to illegals on welfare and had to fight to find $100M for schools. That is just Wong!
14 posted on 07/07/2011 6:01:40 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: rabscuttle385; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; InShanghai; ..

Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.  

15 posted on 07/07/2011 6:07:58 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Joyell
No. Young women currently receiving welfare checks, government housing, and food stamps are far more able to work than the elderly. When we’ve cut out welfare to young, healthy individuals, then we can care for the elderly and disabled, who are the ones that deserve to be cared for.

No citizen or lawful resident of the United States "deserves" anything from their Government except equal and impartial protection of their God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I'm sick and tired of people insisting to me that they (or their pet special interests) "deserve" a piece of the wages that I honestly earn each day.

16 posted on 07/07/2011 6:10:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: dynachrome

Yes - 54%
No - 44%
Too dumb to know - 2%


17 posted on 07/07/2011 6:10:43 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: dynachrome

Quit giving SS to people that have never paid into it and keep the governments sticky fingers out and maybe will have money for those who were forced to pay into it.


18 posted on 07/07/2011 6:10:52 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: dalereed

They could just ask those who are able to do so to pay their own doctor’s bills & prescriptions for at least two years for starters. I’m already doing that, and it would be okay with me.


19 posted on 07/07/2011 6:11:48 PM PDT by Twinkie (For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13)
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To: mountainlion
Don't threaten to take 401K and IRA until congress and the Army wages are the same.

So you're okay with Federal confiscation of private property (401k and IRA balances) after Congressional wages are equalized with Army wages?

20 posted on 07/07/2011 6:11:59 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: dynachrome

Yes (155 responses)

55%

No (121 responses)

43%

Not sure (5 responses)

2%

281 total responses

(Results not scientific)


21 posted on 07/07/2011 6:13:26 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: ransacked
Yes, cut Congressional salaries first! How about foreign aid?

There are many countries who should and can pay for their own defense. I do not know the dollar figures, but I'm certain it is huge.

With respect to everything else on the table, I believe fraud is a great concern. Enforce stiff penalties. When people start going to prison, perhaps we may see a surge in 'efficiency.'

22 posted on 07/07/2011 6:13:42 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: rabscuttle385
Don't threaten to take 401K and IRA until congress and the Army wages are the same.
So you're okay with Federal confiscation of private property (401k and IRA balances) after Congressional wages are equalized with Army wages?

You missed the word THREATEN.

23 posted on 07/07/2011 6:16:11 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: dynachrome

In reality, SS, etc., are ALREADY ‘cut.’ They’re broke. The SS $$ is gone.


24 posted on 07/07/2011 6:17:44 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: mountainlion
You missed the word THREATEN.

You missed the part where threatening to confiscate private property is just plain wrong, period.

25 posted on 07/07/2011 6:20:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

rabscuttle, we paid into the SS “system” for many years; we paid so that your grandparents, and other’s grandparents and parents received their SS checks. We paid thousands ignorantly into the “scheme” that abruptly changed course in mid-stream; and we didn’t fuss about your grandma getting a SS check back then.

Now, I’ll be 65 this month. I’m willing to pay for my own doctor’s bills & prescriptions. Husband’s almost 68, does draw SS, but works and still pays taxes, too. I’m sure he will be glad to do his part to cooperate in fixing this mess.


26 posted on 07/07/2011 6:22:58 PM PDT by Twinkie (For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13)
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To: Krodg
Quit giving SS to people that have never paid into it

Do you mean spousal or children's benefits from a worker who died?

27 posted on 07/07/2011 6:24:04 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Twinkie
we paid so that your grandparents, and other’s grandparents and parents received their SS checks.

Consider that my parents immigrated to the United States in the early 1980s.

28 posted on 07/07/2011 6:26:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

They already took most of social security funds and basically threw the future of many away. What was the total they took $3T?


29 posted on 07/07/2011 6:26:49 PM PDT by mountainlion (AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.)
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To: mountainlion
They already took most of social security funds and basically threw the future of many away.

Basically, yes.

However, "they" were voted into power by those whose funds "they" mishandled.

This is what happens when people trust their government too much.

The game of financial musical chairs has stopped, and someone is going to get stuck without a seat. The sad thing is that we probably would not be where we are today if the U.S. hadn't aborted millions of its own future citizens and if the politicians hadn't frittered away surplus SS contributions to buy votes and enrich themselves.

30 posted on 07/07/2011 6:32:00 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: mountainlion

Anything becomes an entitlement when you exhaust what you put in....but then it really doesn’t matter does it when the money or value of such is gone. We are all playing musical chairs with receiving the Federal dollar and Mr. Debt is taking away those chairs at a faster clip.


31 posted on 07/07/2011 6:32:54 PM PDT by yadent
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To: Doe Eyes
The poster is probably referring to crazy checks. For example, if a student is diagnosed with certain learning disabilities then he or she receives an SSI check for that disability. Guess how welfare moms encourage their children to act at school?
32 posted on 07/07/2011 6:41:18 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: dynachrome

I will speak to Social Security. WE as a country are STUPID if we do not do what i suggest!

Starting TOMORROW everyone 54 years and younger must switch their SS accounts to the Chilean Model SS system and if they wish they may roll IN their 401K. Anyone 55 and over may switch to the Chilean system, if they wish and may roll IN their 401K or remain in the present system.


33 posted on 07/07/2011 6:42:03 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: rabscuttle385

rabscuttle385...you wrote..”No citizen or lawful resident of the United States “deserves” anything from their Government except equal and impartial protection of their God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

There are people who are mentally disabled, and/or physically disabled, and simply unable to care for themselves, much less work. I believe they deserve to be cared for. There, by the grace of God, go I. Therefore, I’m happy to give a portion of what I make to provide for them. I feel the same way about the elderly.


34 posted on 07/07/2011 6:47:20 PM PDT by Joyell
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To: rabscuttle385

The majority of people did not immigrate to the U.S. in the early 1980’s. So, that was figuratively speaking regarding the majority of past SS recipients.

We’re willing to do whatever needs to be done to fix this. We “paid in” starting in our teenage years, made good money and paid in through the nose.

It’s the layabouts who have made welfare a lucrative hobby that need to have their “benefits” put on the table, right along side my “benefits”. We’re willing.


35 posted on 07/07/2011 6:50:51 PM PDT by Twinkie (For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13)
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To: WellyP

How Chile’s Social Security System Can Pay American Investors Big-Time
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2743984/posts - Cached4 Jul 2011 – Investor Place ^ | 06/20/2011 | Bryan Perry ... The privatization of the pension system in Chile has become the quintessential example ... 400 grand (approx) my wife and I and our employers have put into SS & Medicare? ...


36 posted on 07/07/2011 7:02:25 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Doe Eyes
no, I mean immigrants, legal or otherwise.
37 posted on 07/07/2011 7:25:13 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: Doe Eyes
BTW, when my children's father died, they go benefits because he paid into the system, that gave me time to regroup and start over.
38 posted on 07/07/2011 7:32:02 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: dynachrome

If we don’t get control of these the nation is finished.


39 posted on 07/07/2011 7:34:28 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Krodg
no, I mean immigrants, legal or otherwise.

If they never paid into SS, how do they get benefits?

40 posted on 07/07/2011 7:40:44 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

Do some research.


41 posted on 07/07/2011 8:07:48 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: dynachrome

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This is where the cutting should start:

BILLIONS FOR JIHAD!
Obama’s 2009 Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu was revised and “passed by the full committee.”
It gives billions http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/obamas-supplemental-bill-passes-gives-billions-to-enemies/
of U.S. taxpayer dollars to countries and entities that support Sharia law and/or harbor, hide and support those who want to destroy the U.S. and our allies.
Read the summary from David Obey’s office that was quietly released last week with nary a word from any media.

• $3.6 billion, matching the request, to expand and improve capabilities of the Afghan security forces

• $400 million, as requested, to build the counterinsurgency capabilities of the Pakistani security forces

• Afghanistan: $1.52 billion, $86 million above the request

• West Bank and Gaza: $665 million in bilateral economic, humanitarian, and security assistance for the West Bank and Gaza

• Jordan: $250 million, $250 million above the request, including $100 million for economic and $150 million for security assistance

• Egypt: $360 million, $310 million above the request, including $50 million for economic assistance, $50 million for border security, and $260 million for security assistance

• Pakistan: $1.9 billion, $591 million above the request

• Iraq: $968 million, $336 million above the request

• Oversight: $20 million, $13 million above the request, to expand oversight capacity of the State Department, USAID, and the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan to review programs in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq
• Lebanon: $74 million

• International Food Assistance: $500 million, $200 million above the request, for PL 480 international food assistance to alleviate suffering during the global economic crisis

• Refugee Assistance: $343 million, $50 million above the request, …including humanitarian assistance for Gaza. Funding for the UN Relief and Works Agency programs in the West Bank and Gaza is limited to $119 million (Note: Gaza = Hamas)

• Disaster Assistance: $200 million to avert famines and provide life-saving assistance during natural disasters and for internally displaced people around the world, including Somalia, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, the Middle East and South Asia

•Peacekeeping: $837 million for United Nations
peacekeeping operations, including an expanded mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and a new mission in Chad and the Central African Republic

• Department of Justice: $17 million, matching the request, for counter-terrorism activities and to provide training and assistance for the Iraqi criminal justice system
The mainstream media remains silent on this but the International News has now picked up the story http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22164
— and then there is Obama’s $108 billion IMF bailout scheme http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/13/obamas-100-billion-imf-bailout-scheme/
in addition to the Supplemental.
And THIS is what Obama is doing to American taxpayers:
THE BIGGEST TAX HIKE IN AMERICAN HISTORY:
http://www.atr.org/days-thebr-largest-tax-hikes-history-a5370
PDF Version:
http://www.atr.org/files/files/090310pr-jan2011taxes.pdf
Obama gives your tax dollars to rebuild Muslim mosques around the world
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26990#

According to the Associated Press, the Obama administration will give away nearly $6 million of American tax dollars to restore 63 historic and cultural sites, including Islamic mosques and minarets, in 55 nations. See the State Department document here.
http://exchanges.state.gov/media/pdfs/office-of-policy-and-evaluations/ambassadors-fund/afcp2010list.pdf

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42 posted on 07/07/2011 8:10:00 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Doe Eyes

Do you mean spousal or children’s benefits from a worker who died?”

IMO, everyone should have life insurance-SS benefits are for people when they retire. Under the current system, recipients should be means tested, particularly for children’s benefits and monitored to make sure the money is spent on the child. My daughter was killed in auto accident and left 11 year old grandson. Bio father and stepmother had combined income of almost $200,000 but they still collected over $12,000 a year for 7 years from SS. They used money to live high on the hog. My grandson received squat! His mom had life insurance and the judge appointed me to manage all his other money so at least there were funds to pay for clothes and activities as he was growing up and then two years of junior college. Money must be prioritized - SS retirement first, then all the other stuff IF we have the money in the fund.


43 posted on 07/07/2011 8:18:19 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: dynachrome

Leave those Senior’s who collect SS and Medicare alone. Leave those who are close to collecting alone as well.

Make deep cuts on medicaid. Get illegals off it. Make deep cuts on welfare. Those who are young and able bodies and have drawing it fro 2 + years should be cut off.


44 posted on 07/07/2011 8:23:38 PM PDT by GR_Jr.
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To: Grams A
IMO, everyone should have life insurance-SS benefits are for people when they retire.

I wonder how far that change alone would go towards making the SS system solvent far into the future.

45 posted on 07/07/2011 8:24:18 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: dynachrome

Reforming entitlements

Should changes to the major federal entitlement programs (Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security) be on the table as President Barack Obama and Republicans negotiate to reduce the deficit?

*

Yes (260 responses)

57%
*

No (189 responses)

41%
*

Not sure (7 responses)

2%

456 total responses


46 posted on 07/07/2011 8:49:57 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: Joyell
When we’ve cut out welfare to young, healthy individuals, then we can care for the elderly and disabled

When we’ve cut out welfare to young, healthy individuals, then we can care for the elderly and disabled

When we’ve cut out welfare to young, healthy individuals, then we can care for the elderly and disabled

When we’ve cut out welfare to young, healthy individuals, then we can care for the elderly and disabled

47 posted on 07/07/2011 8:53:30 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: dynachrome

Many who started small businesses and haven’t collected any welfare are being robbed of what they paid in under the SS system by constituents who remain on their plantation. Cut it all. End it.


48 posted on 07/07/2011 8:55:03 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: dynachrome
1. Cut the budgets of the following Federal Departments/Agencies by 25%: Defense, VA, State, DHS, Justice, NASA, Treasury ($216.6Bn saved)

2. Eliminate the following Federal Departments/Agencies and let each state manage a reasonable set of guidlelines as they see fit: DHHS, Transportation, HUD, Education, Energy, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Interior, EPA, SSA, National Science Foundation (WTF?), Corps of Engineers, National Infrastructure Bank (WTF?), Corporation for National Community Service (WTF?), Small Business Administration, General Services Administration, Other Agencies, Other ($501.3Bn saved)

3. Cut the following “Mandatory Spending” by 25%: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Other ($500.7Bn saved)

49 posted on 07/07/2011 9:37:55 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Doe Eyes

I wonder how far that change alone would go towards making the SS system solvent far into the future.”

My point is that we shouldn’t be using money intended for one purpose for something else. Seems it would behoove us to look at all the pieces that make up the current puzzle - no one piece alone is going to solve the problem but together may provide some satsfactory solutions. None should be exempt from examination as we look at alternatives to accomplish the desired outcome. I don’t think that trying to guess how long someone is going to live is necessarily the best option either. Certainly we should have choices about whether to even participate or go our own way and accept responsibility for own retirement without interference or mandates from the government.


50 posted on 07/08/2011 12:02:00 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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