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Lights Out For the UK? The Blunder of Relying On Wind Power
bigpeace.com ^ | July 8, 2011 | Institute for Energy Research (IER)

Posted on 07/08/2011 4:59:15 PM PDT by PROCON

Because wind does not blow all the time, wind power is an “intermittent” technology that needs other power as back-up to ensure that the lights stay on. Currently, wind capacity is backed up by existing fossil fuel capacity (natural gas or coal), but Britain has determined that it will need an additional 17 natural-gas powered plants to keep the lights on by 2020. The generators that will be used when the wind does not blow will cost UK consumers 10 billion pounds.[i] To cover the cost of this additional standby capacity, the utility companies are asking for capacity paymentsthat will be charged year round. In other words, consumers will need to pay for the heavily subsidized wind power and then pay again for capacity built to back-up wind in order to keep the electricity on.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: britain; climatechange; globalwarming; windpower
Britain has determined that it will need an additional 17 natural-gas powered plants to keep the lights on by 2020. The generators that will be used when the wind does not blow will cost UK consumers 10 billion pounds

Looks like Hope & Change has come across the pond too!

1 posted on 07/08/2011 4:59:21 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ping!


2 posted on 07/08/2011 5:00:15 PM PDT by PROCON (Don't even get me started on man-made globalwarming!)
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To: PROCON

Apparently they overlooked, ignored, or were never fed the truth, and reality of green, and renewables. Not to mention, history. Wind has been tried everywhere for everything, for centuries, and for the most part has been abandoned for technology far superior in cost, efficiency, reliability, speed, or any measurable value.


3 posted on 07/08/2011 5:12:20 PM PDT by wita
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To: PROCON

Wind power really blows in a number of ways.....


4 posted on 07/08/2011 5:26:01 PM PDT by almost done by half
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To: PROCON; proud_yank; Bockscar; grey_whiskers; WL-law; IrishCatholic; Whenifhow; SolitaryMan; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

5 posted on 07/08/2011 5:28:27 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: wita
The "Greenies" are alive and well in Great Britain and even more so in Australia, which just passed a carbon tax on it's citizens.

The free market has always been able to provide the most reliable and cheapest energy, but leave it to the globalwarming fanatics to make us pay more for the Greatest Hoax ever perpetrated on mankind!

BTW, thanks for your Sevice to Our Country! My BIL was a C-130 pilot from 73-93 and just recently went back in to fly AF drones in the sandboxes! (and of course to pad his AF retiremment..:=))

6 posted on 07/08/2011 5:30:08 PM PDT by PROCON (Don't even get me started on man-made globalwarming!)
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To: PROCON

Thanx, btw !


7 posted on 07/08/2011 5:30:13 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: steelyourfaith

Your welcome, BTW, have a GREAT weekend!


8 posted on 07/08/2011 5:32:28 PM PDT by PROCON (Don't even get me started on man-made globalwarming!)
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To: PROCON
cost UK consumers 10 billion pounds

Literally pissing money into the wind.

9 posted on 07/08/2011 5:33:44 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: wita
Wind has been tried everywhere for everything, for centuries, and for the most part has been abandoned for technology far superior in cost, efficiency, reliability, speed, or any measurable value.

Funny how Obama thinks wind is new. You are correct, it has been abandoned due to cost, energy density per acre, reliability, and capacity factor. Wind (solar too) are appropriate in certain niche applications, but to force it into the base load we all depend on is asking for trouble and high costs.

Thats what they want the stupid smart grid for; for load shedding when the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining. And we are told that is an advancement. Feedback control and load shedding isn't new. It is just that smart people in the past decided the best solution was to make sure there was enough generation and distribution to keep up with demand. Now we have stupid people thinking otherwise.

10 posted on 07/08/2011 5:40:32 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Smart Grid is Stupid)
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To: wita
Apparently they overlooked, ignored, or were never fed the truth, and reality of green, and renewables.

It's astonishing the degree of ignorance in the average American when it comes to basics like electricity, clean water, sewage system and the like. Most people today simply cannot comprehend with a thin thread that their comfortable existence is hanging by. I'm sure it's just as bad in the UK.

The pundits in the MSM and other places have been telling the average troglodyte that renew-ables like wind and solar are going to solve our energy problems. Excrement, and that's putting it as mildly as I can. You would think that Joe Sixpack could at a minimum understand that Solar Panels don't produce at night, when it's raining, or especially when covered with snow. But apparently this as escaped Joe and Jane Sixpack.

So I'm convinced that Brownouts and Blackouts are in our future. That's probably the only thing that these foolish types understand. It would probably be a good thing for the average so called "Green" to go for a few days without power or water. That is what might wake up some of these fools. And I'm at a stage where I think this might be the only thing that will wake up these idiots.
11 posted on 07/08/2011 5:42:16 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: SteamShovel
Now we have stupid people liberal, progresive, globalwarming fanatics, who make the laws, thinking otherwise.

Fixed it!

12 posted on 07/08/2011 5:45:11 PM PDT by PROCON (Don't even get me started on man-made globalwarming!)
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To: PROCON

Britain should have checked Denmark’s wind “solution” for a few hints as to costs and reliability.


13 posted on 07/08/2011 5:48:10 PM PDT by Laur
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To: PROCON

Lucky BIL. The base I live near is scheduled to be a drone drome.

PS you are welcome. It was a pleasure to be sure. I’d do it again, if they would let me, but now I am for lack of a better description a drag on the system. A drone. I still pay taxes, out of a desire to be a contributor but they don’t add up to what I’m costing you and the rest of our generous public. At least I still can and do work for a living. Sort of like your BIL who is doing the same.


14 posted on 07/08/2011 5:48:49 PM PDT by wita
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To: SteamShovel

or the sun isn’t shining.

...and it certainly isn’t shining on a huge number of heads stuck where the sun never shines. Beginning with the DIC.


15 posted on 07/08/2011 5:57:23 PM PDT by wita
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To: truthguy

That is what might wake up some of these fools. And I’m at a stage where I think this might be the only thing that will wake up these idiots.

Sad but true I’m afraid.


16 posted on 07/08/2011 5:59:37 PM PDT by wita
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To: SteamShovel
Thats what they want the stupid smart grid for; for load shedding when the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining. And we are told that is an advancement. Feedback control and load shedding isn't new. It is just that smart people in the past decided the best solution was to make sure there was enough generation and distribution to keep up with demand. Now we have stupid people thinking otherwise.

I'll tell them to stick it "where the sun don't shine."
17 posted on 07/08/2011 6:28:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: SteamShovel
Thats what they want the stupid smart grid for; for load shedding when the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining. And we are told that is an advancement. Feedback control and load shedding isn't new. It is just that smart people in the past decided the best solution was to make sure there was enough generation and distribution to keep up with demand. Now we have stupid people thinking otherwise.

I'll tell them to stick it "where the sun don't shine."
18 posted on 07/08/2011 6:28:31 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: PROCON

Went on a cruise to Aruba this spring.
On the north side, the wind is always blowing.
I mean the rocks are sculptured from the sandblasting.

They put in a bunch of windmills.
Day we were there, none of them were turning.
I asked the bus driver, she said those things are always breaking down.


19 posted on 07/08/2011 6:32:42 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: PROCON

What has Prince Charles the Green to say about this?


20 posted on 07/08/2011 6:36:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: PROCON
Wind power is a complete disaster

Denmark, the world’s most wind-intensive nation, with more than 6,000 turbines generating 19% of its electricity, has yet to close a single fossil-fuel plant. It requires 50% more coal-generated electricity to cover wind power’s unpredictability, and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone).

21 posted on 07/08/2011 6:49:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone).

Ah, yes, the best intentions of idiot liberals (Progressives), I truly hate liberals, I can't tell you how much....

22 posted on 07/08/2011 7:00:19 PM PDT by PROCON (Don't even get me started on man-made globalwarming!)
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To: PROCON

I know this will sound radical, but why not build giant wind generators to blow air through the wind turbines when they aren’t turning? Problem solved.


23 posted on 07/08/2011 7:04:54 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: DaxtonBrown
know this will sound radical, but why not build giant wind generators to blow air through the wind turbines when they aren’t turning? Problem solved.

I knew there was someone else as intelligent as I am!!!!!!I always figured that the perfect electric car would have a large battery, you would charge it up just once and be able to drive it virtually forever because you would have 4 alternators, each driven by one of the wheels which would keep the battery charged indefinitely!!!brilliant, right and if not, why not (I know the answer)

24 posted on 07/08/2011 7:57:39 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: truthguy
The problem is that it takes time to build new power generation facilities. If the UK is going to keep the lights on we need to start building NOW, whatever we plump for. These squalid arguments about which way to go are now counterproductive.

Personally, I have no problem with wind and solar power being part of the generation solution. There is every indication that with a little development they could both be significant players, LOCALLY. You are right though, they are never going to solve all of our energy generation problems.

25 posted on 07/09/2011 5:15:20 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: All

Wind Power has hidden dangers you don’t know about and hasn’t been reported about.
http://www.theonion.com/video/in-the-know-coal-lobby-warns-wind-farms-may-blow-e,20876/


26 posted on 07/10/2011 10:40:50 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Beer? That's the reason I get up in the afternoon.)
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27 posted on 07/10/2011 7:37:07 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (July 23, 2017 - This is Ellis Wyatt. I am on strike.)
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