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New Conservative Political class of Objectives register here
Various Threads ^ | 7/11/2011 | Me

Posted on 07/10/2011 10:20:02 PM PDT by freedumb2003

Here I ask ALL "Objectives" to register.

Those who dare to go against the cults of personality that swarm around us here at FR.

The important thing here is Objective. Predictions: be objective and provide your rationale.

Political analysis: be objective and provide your rationale.

Join, provide a single statement that files in the face of emotion but is objective, and you can add "Member of the Objectives" to your signature or (for the more objective accolades) tag.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: getreadyforit; objective; zot; zotbait
My entry:

I support Herman Cain and think he will be a great President. He has all bona fide Conservative qualities and qualifications.

Objectively: He still has not much name recognition and is slow to garner it AND his support of fair tax as part of his POTUS run could keep him from getting the nod.

Note: I want him to win, I think he could win, of he gets the nod I think he WILL win, but he has to overcome these problems.

1 posted on 07/10/2011 10:20:10 PM PDT by freedumb2003
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To: freedumb2003

IBTZ.


2 posted on 07/10/2011 10:28:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

LOL!!

Good one!

And maybe called for!


3 posted on 07/10/2011 10:33:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003
Also IBTZ.
4 posted on 07/10/2011 10:41:56 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: freedumb2003

Bachman is declared, politically savy, seems poised to pick up Iowa, is ten points out AHEAD of Romney, according to the Repulican publication in Iowa, has single handedly put Pawlenty in the dust already, and certainly has a decent shot at South Carolina. She has the most compelling personal story of all the candidates and was instrumental in making the Tea Party a force in Congress. She votes right, talks right, and she is proving her intellect. she broke out in the debate and remains unafraid of the media and critics. All this is good for pulling in more cash and more endorsements to go for the long haul. We will see what happens when she hits the moderate states if she can keep her base and reach for the Independents.

I am leaning toward Rick Perry and would like to see him get in to see how he does and what he has to say. I believe Rick can go all the way to the White House, if he runs well. IF he gets in.


5 posted on 07/10/2011 10:42:09 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: freedumb2003

I would object. But I hate to be objectified. Sorry if you find it objectionable.


6 posted on 07/10/2011 10:42:20 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: freedumb2003

How many hard working, decent electrons needlessly died in the making of this vanity?

I say we all bow our heads and reflect on their passing for sixty seconds.

-

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Ok, time’s up. Gotta run!


7 posted on 07/10/2011 10:42:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I tried to file in the face of objective. I filed it in with the “O”’s.


8 posted on 07/10/2011 10:50:20 PM PDT by jdsteel (I like the way the words "Palin for President" make progressives apoplectic.)
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To: freedumb2003
Conservatives are supposed to be more coldly calculating than liberals. We are supposed to be the rational and logical ones. We are supposed to be the ones that don't let our emotions carry us away.

It is an objective truth that a dismaying percentage of posts on FR are neither calculated, nor rational, nor logical, nor free from emotional drivel.

If you try to correct someone's logic you are castigated in posts that are less logical, less rational, and more emotional.

There are also a rather large number of shills doing their dirty work on FR. Their posts are only logical and rational in that, if believed and acted on by a sufficient number of Freepers, they will allow the shills to profit.

It would be nice if FR could in part be a safe place for the honing of arguments and debating techniques. It is more often a place for the reiteration and exaggeration of bogus arguments and poor debating tactics.

Gresham's Law is too often in full force.

9 posted on 07/10/2011 11:07:22 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Windflier

>>I say we all bow our heads and reflect on their passing for sixty seconds.<<

Next time say 2 “holy Holleriths,” 3 “believe me, Babbages” and 8 “Gates’” and your electrons will be purified.


10 posted on 07/10/2011 11:08:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

Good grief. Even your vanities are rank with priggish condescension.

IBTLOZ


11 posted on 07/10/2011 11:10:30 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

All I can say is “preach it, baby.”

Also, I found out tonight that “debate” is a term that is best left unused in most threads. It makes some people (interestingly, those without forensic background nor knowledge) “uncomfortable.”


12 posted on 07/10/2011 11:13:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

>>Good grief. Even your vanities are rank with priggish condescension.<<

And, here you are.

Care to register as an Objective? Or continue to be a Subjective?


13 posted on 07/10/2011 11:15:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

Don’t flatter yourself. I’m just here to watch the kitties.


14 posted on 07/10/2011 11:19:01 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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To: freedumb2003
Next time say 2 “holy Holleriths,” 3 “believe me, Babbages” and 8 “Gates’” and your electrons will be purified.

Only the Funk can purify your electrons, maggot brain ;-)

15 posted on 07/10/2011 11:20:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: freedumb2003
Also, I found out tonight that “debate” is a term that is best left unused in most threads. It makes some people (interestingly, those without forensic background nor knowledge) “uncomfortable.”

You mean that tonight you saw this quote by the owner. "No thank you. FR is not a debating society. Jim Robinson"

16 posted on 07/10/2011 11:22:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: ansel12

You were not alone.

But your discomfort with debate was quite palpable.

And understandable.


17 posted on 07/10/2011 11:23:22 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

LOL, very fitting for your vanity thread, you didn’t make any sense.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 11:25:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Windflier
Only the Funk can purify your electrons

Click the album cover and you shall be purified, with the help of the last, greatest 3-man band.


19 posted on 07/10/2011 11:29:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: ansel12
LOL, very fitting for your vanity thread, you didn’t make any sense.

And very fitting for your response, you are a little slow on the uptake to understand what I posted.

I appreciate consistency.

So, I assume I can put you down as a "Subjective."

20 posted on 07/10/2011 11:31:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

Put me down as one that knows your posting history out on the internet, you have a unique internet name, and widely scattered postings.


21 posted on 07/10/2011 11:34:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Just out of curiosity, what did I say on this thread (OP or subsequently) that is objectionable? Zottable? Against any rules?

Humor just isn’t what it was in the old days either, I guess...


22 posted on 07/10/2011 11:34:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: ansel12

Oh, thanks for reminding me for why I thought you are a /VI.

As I get older my memory fails me. I should have never even said word one to you. Well, I am done now.

You are a stalker and a liar. How I could forget that is amazing to me.

/VI


23 posted on 07/10/2011 11:37:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: RitaOK

Bachmann appears to be a solid conservative. She talks the talk, votes conservative, stands up to the media, and is generally adored by Tea Partiers. Ideologically speaking, she’s the cat’s meow. Objectively speaking, she’s never ran a national campaign before and has very little if any executive experience.

I believe only one other congressperson has ever been elected president. Her odds of winning are slim. I’d prefer to see her operate as a senator or governor first. Historically speaking, that would improve her viability as a presidential candidate. However, I’d vote for her in a heartbeat over President Obama.

Speaking of Obama, he’s got leadership issues, but ideology remains his biggest problem. When you see government as the solution for every ill and you’re the chief executive of said government, then you better be pretty competent at holding it all together (conservatives, of course, believe big government is beyond anyone’s capability to govern).

A truly conservative president, on the other hand, would look for ways to reduce the executive branch and avoid micromanaging the economy. A liberal president must act like an emperor, having ultimate authority and responsibility for virtually everything that goes on. A conservative president has clearly defined and limited powers and let’s We the People run our own affairs.

One last note...IBTZ?


24 posted on 07/10/2011 11:38:11 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Coming soon...DADT for Christians!)
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To: freedumb2003

If it wasn’t for making personal insults your posting history would be about a third of what it is.


25 posted on 07/10/2011 11:41:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: freedumb2003
with the help of the last, greatest 3-man band.

Damn! You're even wrong about that, LOL.

26 posted on 07/10/2011 11:48:16 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: freedumb2003

FWIW, I appreciate your desire, during this primary season, to see threads that thoughtfully debate the pros and cons of various candidates without spammers who shove more than a full screen shot of links, pictures and photos pro or con Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry or the Mormon church that stray not one pixel from the very same spam post they put on every thread regarding said issue or candidate.

If only they understood that their spam posts only serve to alienate uncommitted conservatives who would rather think for themselves than be spammed.

Yes, we know. YOUR candidate is pure as new-fallen snow and all the others are RINOs, cowards and sell-outs. I’d rather you stick to the issues, come up with some relevant talking points and explain why YOU support your candidate without trying to smear all the other candidates - that’s how DEMOCRATS behave and we ought to be better than that.

The objective is to beat Obama and I haven’t found a GOP candidate yet that would.be worse than Obama. The candidate we are trashing today may be the one you’ll get banned for not supporting next year when they are the official nominee.

So hold the bile against fellow Republicans. Let’s not give the Dems any talking points about our guys they could turn into attack ads. Discuss their pros and cons rationally and respectfully and maybe more people will do the same with YOUR candidate.

I’m not sure objectivity is my goal here but I’d really love to see less spam and more thoughtful discussion. Thank you.


27 posted on 07/11/2011 12:01:35 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: freedumb2003

Oh, this is a laugher, you think you are objective?


28 posted on 07/11/2011 12:35:03 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: freedumb2003
...the last, greatest 3-man band.

Grand Funk Railroad. One of my faves, from back in the way back day. Got 'em added to my evening listening list. Thanks!

29 posted on 07/11/2011 9:59:54 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

>>Grand Funk Railroad.<<

I wish I could have found the live version in a quick YT search. GFR was always controversial and the critics hated them, despite the fact they actually led the charts for quite a few years.

Of course, they started downhill when they picked up Craig and went in a pop direction. But I was listening to some of their early stuff and the grit is palpable. They put the Rock in Rock’nRoll.

As with so many things, these things are in the eye (ear) of the beholder (except for me, of course — my opinions, when disagreed with by some people, are just “wrong.”)

I seem to recall a while ago when there was a “greatest guitarist” list somewhere — I knew it couldn’t be any good because Mark Farner wasn’t on it (nor, IIRC, was Robin Trower ;) )

Thanks, FRiend. :)


30 posted on 07/11/2011 10:29:53 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003
I seem to recall a while ago when there was a “greatest guitarist” list somewhere — I knew it couldn’t be any good because Mark Farner wasn’t on it (nor, IIRC, was Robin Trower ;) )

No Robin Trower????

I demand a recount! LOL

Seriously, I can't believe that Robin would be left off a list of greatest guitarists. He may not be the most famous guitarist out there, but along with Mr. Hendrix, he pretty much wrote the book on searing, blues-based, hard rock guitar.

31 posted on 07/11/2011 9:17:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RitaOK
I am leaning toward Rick Perry and would like to see him get in to see how he does and what he has to say. I believe Rick can go all the way to the White House, if he runs well. IF he gets in.

The fact that Perry endorsed Giuliani in the last election and campaigned hard on his behalf tells me a lot about Perry's Conservative core. It's about as non-existant as Mitt Romney's.

As governor in a relatively conservative state, Perry could act like a conservative, since that's what they people there wanted. As President, I think he'd be a whichever-way-the-wind-blows politician.

32 posted on 07/12/2011 10:30:43 AM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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>> “ As President, I think he’d be a whichever-way-the-wind-blows politician. “ <<

Please note that I said, “if he runs well”. Thankfully the winds you mention are blowing conservative. You’re also right that Texas holds only conservatives in office right now, and also enjoys a majority conservative legislature who keeps Perry on the reservation. If we can take the House and the Senate in Washington, Perry will be fine.


33 posted on 07/12/2011 11:52:35 AM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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