Skip to comments.The Michigan Republican Party is trying to decide: Caucus, Convention, or Closed Primary?
Posted on 07/12/2011 8:52:32 AM PDT by jenk
There is discussion as to what Michigan should do:
1)Close the primary and there are numerous suggestions as to how to qualify voters. Registration as R's, allowing only R's to vote for the Republican Pres. nominee--down to calling our open primary a closed primary by simply asking to have either a Dem or R ballot (which is what we do now.)
2)Hold a convention
The arguments against all are numerous.
The caucus argument seems to be losing steam because of the difficulty to organize it in very small and very big counties.
The convention argument is gaining steam, but personally, I think it is unfair, considering that if I come from a small county, but have a lot of Republicans who may be against the establishment, that they would not be able to vote, since we can only send 4 or 6 delegates to a convention, and a large county could vote with numerous delegates for the establishment.
I believe we should close the primary, so that only registered Republicans can vote for the Republican, and the grassroots works to register R's, making the arguments on the street level.
What say you?
I’m not sure of the best route, but I like the fact that there’s no “open” primary.
I’m worried about Dems going heavy for Mitty in open primary states, since they have no POTUS race (at least yet).
I wish Ohio had a closed Primary. If I had a choice in it that is what I would opt for. Needing to go and charge your affilation 30 days prior makes a lot of sense in the general you can vote for whoever.
1)there is no way we can stop the Democrats from picking our candidate, so we must have a convention.
2)It will disenfranchise Independents
3)If Independents can vote for Republican, then Dems will just register as independents.
4)If we make Independents register as Republicans, they won't and the nomination goes to Romney
Michigan has an open primary, I hear ya.
As long as its closed, I don’t care much any way.
I prefer a closed primary. I still think Iowa’s caucus system is crazy, yet it is the KO of the primary....
Convention would be the best way to ensure Mitt doesn’t win. He won’t be the 2nd choice of anyone and a convention is the best way to throw the Ron Paul and Herman Cain votes to Bachmann. He won Michigan in 2008 and will be run as the “favorite son”. It is an important and early contest.
I voted for Hillary here in Indiana’s 2008 open primary as an “Op Chaos” operative. McCain had already captured the R nomination by that point.
If you want to get rid of grass roots folks go to a caucus system. In Mn it is a total sham. Party elites decide everything
I’ve always been opposed to having to register with a party to vote but these days I think it might be a good idea. When there isn’t a democrat primary challenger, it frees up a lot of democrats to step on the GOP primary.
Open primaries are one of the dumbest ideas in politics. Why should Democrats choose the Republican candidate? Or vice versa? It’s just a feel-good sop to the self-righteous independents who feel they are superior because thay can’t articulate a political philosophy, they wear their ignorance like a badge of honor.
good to know, thanks
uh, Oakland county has upwards of 80 delegates, and they are always pro-Romney, pro-RINO.
It would takeover 20 small counties to measure up.
And what of the argument that if say, the country folks would be more apt to vote non-establishment, and are more conservative? won’t that be unfair to just send 4 people to vote and leave them out?
Convention. Less costly and you get people who are activists and know the issues.
that is partly my argument, if we are making folks register as republicans to vote in Republican primary, then it would stop a lot of Dem crossovers, because say what you will about inner city liberal democrats, about the last thing you could get them to do is register as a republican.
I make an observation though, that a lot of comments here are based on affecting one particular candidate (Romney), and that's a shortsighted approach for a long term solution.
The solution should reflect the majority opinion of all Republicans in the state...no Dems, no "Independents" (whatever that means) and no rigging it to benefit or hinder individual candidates that may be running in 2012.
This system, if you change it, will most likely be used in 2016, and there is no idea who is going to be in that race.
what do you say to my post #16?
Shirley Jackson-style lottery.
Well, I write Romney because he is a favored son of MI. His father was once Governor, and our current Governor sits in the Romney Building in Lansing. That’s why the focus:)
Closed primary. We should pick our own candidate; it’s all we have left. The msm is against us anyway.
Primaries, closed or not, take money to run and they are biased in favor of candidates who have the most money. And Reps engaged in a competitive primary must spend more money that could be used in the general election.
I grew up in Michigan, graduated from MSU, moved out-of-state, and still hear from my very liberal college roommate regularly. She recently retired from her teaching job near Muskegon.
In 2008, she told me she voted for John McCain in the Michigan Primary - for the sole purpose of influencing who the Republican nominee would be.
Open primaries ensure that will happen again. Do we really want RINOs? Do we really want Democrats and/or the media choosing the Republican presidential nominee (again)?!
CLOSED PRIMARIES are the only way to ensure that only Republicans choose our candidate and that all Republicans across the state have equal opportunity to express their preferences in that process.
I’d love a closed primary, but won’t happen, Gov. Ricky knows he wouldn’t have had a chance if he ran in a closed primary.
Caucus —made in heaven for community organizers. Obama used it to steal a lot of votes from Hillary.
Here’s how the caucus system works in MN.
Precinct caucus: An opportunity to corral people to hand out literature. Non-binding straw poll taken and immediately forgotten. Elect delegates to country convention (anyone who wants to can go).
County Convention: An opportunity to corral people to hand out literature. Non-binding straw poll taken and immediately forgotten. Elect delegates to State convention (Only party elites get elected).
State Convention: All party business including endorsing candidates gets done by party insiders.
Take over the county conventions. A lot of the elites get elected because they show up.
anyone that shows up? ahhhhhhhh!
That is the only good argument for this system. Shouldn’t the people who really care and do the work make the decisions?
The down side is the grass roots become unattached to the party and cynical about the whole process.
Concur. Here in VA, we have open primaries, which allows the usual mob mentality among the Left to simply screw up the Republican primary. I firmly believe in the freedom of association, which has the flip side of choosing to NOT associate with someone.
I am not from Michigan, but I would like to see a closed primary there and in every other state. Make sure that someone has been a registered Republican for at least a year before allowing them to vote. Why? Because it precludes the Dems from crossing over to affect the Republican nominating process. Why bother to call it a “Republican” primary if people other than real Republicans can vote in it?
What happened last time in South Carolina was a fiasco - McStain won big thanks to SC Dems, and had the field to himself thereafter. He turned out to be the weakest candidate for the General Election, exactly as the Dems planned. We CANNOT allow that to happen again.
A closed primary would work as long as you have to be registered well in advance of the election - big push on to allow unregistered people to vote the day of the election...very bad. It’s all about squirreling up the vote. Without ACORN, it will be hard to “get out the vote” as we saw in 2010.
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CLOSE the primary! Only allow Republicans to vote in the primary. If they register as a Republican for the primary, they also have to vote Republican in that election cycle.
How dumb is it to have democrats help choose our nominee?
If Dims vote in the Republican primary, they should be prohibited from voting for a democrat in the general election that year. In other words, you should have to declare your party affiliation in the primary and that party will be the party you vote for in the general. Only the party regulars should be allowed to vote for their candidate.
When an individual registers as a member of a political party is there a way to find out how long they’ve been a member? If so, perhaps a modified closed primary would work best. Modified in that each consecutive year a person was registered with the party would count as a vote. That way, uneducated teens and party-switching saboteurs would have very little impact and the older people with loyalty to the party would be rewarded for their consistency.
It could perhaps be broken down as percentages: Registered member for more than 10 uninterrupted years = 100% value for primary vote, between 5 years and 10 years = 80% value, 3 to 5 years = 50% value, more than 1 year but less than 3 years = 30% value, less than 1 year = 10% value.
So one dedicated Republican could offset the votes of 10 leftists that try to affect the process.
Yes? No? Comments?
How can you dictate to someone who they will vote for in a general election based on their registration.
That’s contrary to the American principles of secret ballot.
This is why changing the nominating process from the convention run by the party to a primary system open to the electorate was a horrible idea. The party can not control who their nominee is in an open primary.
Basically, if the party you want to vote for in the general election is not holding a primary, then you won't be voting in a primary election. There is no constitutional right to vote in a primary election.
Gold ticket in a Wonka bar would be fine just so long as it isn’t an open primary.
I forget who won our last presidential primary in Michigan.
Wasn’t it either Romney or McCain?
Oddly enough, there was technically no democrat presidential primary which I think might have been part of the game all along.
It was Romney.
Personally I wish we had a single primary day nationwide. After the first 25 states have made their decision, candidates have dropped out who may have done well in later states.
The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they established the convention system for choosing the party's candidates. The problem of direct elections by the populace in the primaries as opposed to the elections by the delegates parallels the problems we would have if we switched to a popular vote, forsaking the electoral college.
At any rate, though, CLOSE OUR PRIMARY ELECTIONS!