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The Michigan Republican Party is trying to decide: Caucus, Convention, or Closed Primary?
7/12/11 | jenk

Posted on 07/12/2011 8:52:32 AM PDT by jenk

There is discussion as to what Michigan should do:

1)Close the primary and there are numerous suggestions as to how to qualify voters. Registration as R's, allowing only R's to vote for the Republican Pres. nominee--down to calling our open primary a closed primary by simply asking to have either a Dem or R ballot (which is what we do now.)

2)Hold a convention

3)Caucus

The arguments against all are numerous.

The caucus argument seems to be losing steam because of the difficulty to organize it in very small and very big counties.

The convention argument is gaining steam, but personally, I think it is unfair, considering that if I come from a small county, but have a lot of Republicans who may be against the establishment, that they would not be able to vote, since we can only send 4 or 6 delegates to a convention, and a large county could vote with numerous delegates for the establishment.

I believe we should close the primary, so that only registered Republicans can vote for the Republican, and the grassroots works to register R's, making the arguments on the street level.

What say you?


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1 posted on 07/12/2011 8:52:37 AM PDT by jenk
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To: jenk

I’m not sure of the best route, but I like the fact that there’s no “open” primary.

I’m worried about Dems going heavy for Mitty in open primary states, since they have no POTUS race (at least yet).


2 posted on 07/12/2011 8:54:46 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: jenk

CLOSED PRIMARY!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 07/12/2011 8:54:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: jenk

I wish Ohio had a closed Primary. If I had a choice in it that is what I would opt for. Needing to go and charge your affilation 30 days prior makes a lot of sense in the general you can vote for whoever.


4 posted on 07/12/2011 9:00:15 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: nascarnation
ok, arguments are,

1)there is no way we can stop the Democrats from picking our candidate, so we must have a convention.

2)It will disenfranchise Independents

3)If Independents can vote for Republican, then Dems will just register as independents.

4)If we make Independents register as Republicans, they won't and the nomination goes to Romney

5 posted on 07/12/2011 9:02:08 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: chris_bdba

Michigan has an open primary, I hear ya.


6 posted on 07/12/2011 9:04:09 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: jenk

As long as its closed, I don’t care much any way.


7 posted on 07/12/2011 9:04:18 AM PDT by dangus
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To: jenk

Closed primary.


8 posted on 07/12/2011 9:04:23 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: jenk

I prefer a closed primary. I still think Iowa’s caucus system is crazy, yet it is the KO of the primary....


9 posted on 07/12/2011 9:05:32 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: cripplecreek

Convention would be the best way to ensure Mitt doesn’t win. He won’t be the 2nd choice of anyone and a convention is the best way to throw the Ron Paul and Herman Cain votes to Bachmann. He won Michigan in 2008 and will be run as the “favorite son”. It is an important and early contest.


10 posted on 07/12/2011 9:06:21 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: jenk

I voted for Hillary here in Indiana’s 2008 open primary as an “Op Chaos” operative. McCain had already captured the R nomination by that point.


11 posted on 07/12/2011 9:07:04 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: jenk

If you want to get rid of grass roots folks go to a caucus system. In Mn it is a total sham. Party elites decide everything


12 posted on 07/12/2011 9:07:11 AM PDT by DManA
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To: jenk

I’ve always been opposed to having to register with a party to vote but these days I think it might be a good idea. When there isn’t a democrat primary challenger, it frees up a lot of democrats to step on the GOP primary.


13 posted on 07/12/2011 9:08:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: jenk

Open primaries are one of the dumbest ideas in politics. Why should Democrats choose the Republican candidate? Or vice versa? It’s just a feel-good sop to the self-righteous independents who feel they are superior because thay can’t articulate a political philosophy, they wear their ignorance like a badge of honor.


14 posted on 07/12/2011 9:08:53 AM PDT by cookcounty (Would someone PLEASE give the President a calculator for his birthday???)
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To: DManA

good to know, thanks


15 posted on 07/12/2011 9:09:41 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: wolfman23601

uh, Oakland county has upwards of 80 delegates, and they are always pro-Romney, pro-RINO.

It would takeover 20 small counties to measure up.

And what of the argument that if say, the country folks would be more apt to vote non-establishment, and are more conservative? won’t that be unfair to just send 4 people to vote and leave them out?


16 posted on 07/12/2011 9:12:31 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: jenk

Convention. Less costly and you get people who are activists and know the issues.


17 posted on 07/12/2011 9:13:32 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cripplecreek

that is partly my argument, if we are making folks register as republicans to vote in Republican primary, then it would stop a lot of Dem crossovers, because say what you will about inner city liberal democrats, about the last thing you could get them to do is register as a republican.


18 posted on 07/12/2011 9:15:26 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: jenk
I'm for a closed primary, but it doesn't matter because I'm in AZ. MI folks need to decide this.

I make an observation though, that a lot of comments here are based on affecting one particular candidate (Romney), and that's a shortsighted approach for a long term solution.

The solution should reflect the majority opinion of all Republicans in the state...no Dems, no "Independents" (whatever that means) and no rigging it to benefit or hinder individual candidates that may be running in 2012.

This system, if you change it, will most likely be used in 2016, and there is no idea who is going to be in that race.

19 posted on 07/12/2011 9:16:10 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: kabar

what do you say to my post #16?


20 posted on 07/12/2011 9:17:04 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: jenk
Oakland county has upwards of 80 delegates, and they are always pro-Romney, pro-RINO.

Brooks Patterson comes to mind. He's done good things but he's also done really bad things. Joe Schwarz is another guy who I wouldn't trust to pick a candidate for me.
21 posted on 07/12/2011 9:17:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: jenk

Shirley Jackson-style lottery.


22 posted on 07/12/2011 9:18:19 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Cyber Liberty

Well, I write Romney because he is a favored son of MI. His father was once Governor, and our current Governor sits in the Romney Building in Lansing. That’s why the focus:)


23 posted on 07/12/2011 9:18:42 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: RichInOC

LOL


24 posted on 07/12/2011 9:20:03 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: jenk

Closed primary. We should pick our own candidate; it’s all we have left. The msm is against us anyway.


25 posted on 07/12/2011 9:20:25 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: jenk
I have been a delegate at a convention to nominate candidates. For me, it is the best way to get a Republican candidate who will get the support of the active Reps who will do most of the work for and funding of a candidate. They also know the issues better than the general public.

Primaries, closed or not, take money to run and they are biased in favor of candidates who have the most money. And Reps engaged in a competitive primary must spend more money that could be used in the general election.

26 posted on 07/12/2011 9:27:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: jenk
CLOSED PRIMARY!!!

I grew up in Michigan, graduated from MSU, moved out-of-state, and still hear from my very liberal college roommate regularly. She recently retired from her teaching job near Muskegon.

In 2008, she told me she voted for John McCain in the Michigan Primary - for the sole purpose of influencing who the Republican nominee would be.

Open primaries ensure that will happen again. Do we really want RINOs? Do we really want Democrats and/or the media choosing the Republican presidential nominee (again)?!

CLOSED PRIMARIES are the only way to ensure that only Republicans choose our candidate and that all Republicans across the state have equal opportunity to express their preferences in that process.

27 posted on 07/12/2011 9:31:07 AM PDT by Prov3456
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To: jenk; grellis

I’d love a closed primary, but won’t happen, Gov. Ricky knows he wouldn’t have had a chance if he ran in a closed primary.


28 posted on 07/12/2011 9:33:16 AM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123 and Bahbah.)
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To: jenk

Caucus —made in heaven for community organizers. Obama used it to steal a lot of votes from Hillary.


29 posted on 07/12/2011 9:34:41 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

Here’s how the caucus system works in MN.

Precinct caucus: An opportunity to corral people to hand out literature. Non-binding straw poll taken and immediately forgotten. Elect delegates to country convention (anyone who wants to can go).

County Convention: An opportunity to corral people to hand out literature. Non-binding straw poll taken and immediately forgotten. Elect delegates to State convention (Only party elites get elected).

State Convention: All party business including endorsing candidates gets done by party insiders.


30 posted on 07/12/2011 9:49:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
County Convention: An opportunity to corral people to hand out literature. Non-binding straw poll taken and immediately forgotten. Elect delegates to State convention (Only party elites get elected).

Take over the county conventions. A lot of the elites get elected because they show up.

31 posted on 07/12/2011 9:58:18 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: DManA

anyone that shows up? ahhhhhhhh!


32 posted on 07/12/2011 10:03:39 AM PDT by jenk (The old Republican Party has no idea what is going on. No idea.)
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To: lonestar

That is the only good argument for this system. Shouldn’t the people who really care and do the work make the decisions?

The down side is the grass roots become unattached to the party and cynical about the whole process.


33 posted on 07/12/2011 10:08:42 AM PDT by DManA
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To: cripplecreek

Concur. Here in VA, we have open primaries, which allows the usual mob mentality among the Left to simply screw up the Republican primary. I firmly believe in the freedom of association, which has the flip side of choosing to NOT associate with someone.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 10:10:52 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: jenk

I am not from Michigan, but I would like to see a closed primary there and in every other state. Make sure that someone has been a registered Republican for at least a year before allowing them to vote. Why? Because it precludes the Dems from crossing over to affect the Republican nominating process. Why bother to call it a “Republican” primary if people other than real Republicans can vote in it?

What happened last time in South Carolina was a fiasco - McStain won big thanks to SC Dems, and had the field to himself thereafter. He turned out to be the weakest candidate for the General Election, exactly as the Dems planned. We CANNOT allow that to happen again.


35 posted on 07/12/2011 10:18:04 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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THEY’RE NOT DONATING MONTHLY!


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36 posted on 07/12/2011 10:21:37 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: jenk

A closed primary would work as long as you have to be registered well in advance of the election - big push on to allow unregistered people to vote the day of the election...very bad. It’s all about squirreling up the vote. Without ACORN, it will be hard to “get out the vote” as we saw in 2010.


37 posted on 07/12/2011 10:53:53 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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38 posted on 07/12/2011 10:58:05 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: jenk

CLOSE the primary! Only allow Republicans to vote in the primary. If they register as a Republican for the primary, they also have to vote Republican in that election cycle.


39 posted on 07/12/2011 11:05:45 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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Close the fricking primary!

How dumb is it to have democrats help choose our nominee?

40 posted on 07/12/2011 11:06:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: nascarnation

If Dims vote in the Republican primary, they should be prohibited from voting for a democrat in the general election that year. In other words, you should have to declare your party affiliation in the primary and that party will be the party you vote for in the general. Only the party regulars should be allowed to vote for their candidate.


41 posted on 07/12/2011 11:14:40 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: jenk

When an individual registers as a member of a political party is there a way to find out how long they’ve been a member? If so, perhaps a modified closed primary would work best. Modified in that each consecutive year a person was registered with the party would count as a vote. That way, uneducated teens and party-switching saboteurs would have very little impact and the older people with loyalty to the party would be rewarded for their consistency.

It could perhaps be broken down as percentages: Registered member for more than 10 uninterrupted years = 100% value for primary vote, between 5 years and 10 years = 80% value, 3 to 5 years = 50% value, more than 1 year but less than 3 years = 30% value, less than 1 year = 10% value.

So one dedicated Republican could offset the votes of 10 leftists that try to affect the process.

Yes? No? Comments?


42 posted on 07/12/2011 11:17:20 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: FrdmLvr

How can you dictate to someone who they will vote for in a general election based on their registration.

That’s contrary to the American principles of secret ballot.


43 posted on 07/12/2011 11:19:02 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: jenk

Closed Primary


44 posted on 07/12/2011 11:20:05 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: nascarnation
I agree, but the alternative is worse.

This is why changing the nominating process from the convention run by the party to a primary system open to the electorate was a horrible idea. The party can not control who their nominee is in an open primary.

Basically, if the party you want to vote for in the general election is not holding a primary, then you won't be voting in a primary election. There is no constitutional right to vote in a primary election.

45 posted on 07/12/2011 11:55:59 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: jenk

Gold ticket in a Wonka bar would be fine just so long as it isn’t an open primary.


46 posted on 07/12/2011 1:35:42 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: FrdmLvr

I forget who won our last presidential primary in Michigan.

Wasn’t it either Romney or McCain?

Oddly enough, there was technically no democrat presidential primary which I think might have been part of the game all along.


47 posted on 07/12/2011 2:52:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

It was Romney.


48 posted on 07/12/2011 4:04:02 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: FrdmLvr

Personally I wish we had a single primary day nationwide. After the first 25 states have made their decision, candidates have dropped out who may have done well in later states.


49 posted on 07/12/2011 4:12:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
There is entirely too much wrong with the primary system as it currently stands. Your idea makes sense.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they established the convention system for choosing the party's candidates. The problem of direct elections by the populace in the primaries as opposed to the elections by the delegates parallels the problems we would have if we switched to a popular vote, forsaking the electoral college.

At any rate, though, CLOSE OUR PRIMARY ELECTIONS!

50 posted on 07/12/2011 4:37:06 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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