Skip to comments.Boy Kills Family Dog To Protect Grandmother : Pit Bull Killed Dog, Attacked 3
Posted on 07/14/2011 8:26:02 PM PDT by george76
MANCHESTER, Maine -- Kennebec County's sheriff said a 12-year-old boy prevented further injuries by shooting and killing a pit bull with a shotgun after it had attacked two people and killed another dog...
120-pound pit bull killed a terrier at a 826 Prescott Road home in Manchester and then attacked an 11-year-old boy who tried to break up the fight, Liberty said. The boy's grandmother, Lena Walker, and Anthony Manganella tried to protect the younger boy, but were attacked as well.
The boy's 12-year-old older brother loaded his father's 20-gauge shotgun and shot the dog, Deputy Jesse Duda of the sheriff's office said
(Excerpt) Read more at wmtw.com ...
What a horrible incident.
Thank God they still raise kids to be men in Maine.
Bad dog, Good boy.
The boy crying about having to shoot his dog that he loved is sad but he sure did the right thing.
Meaning mom and dad won't be charged; and won't be ordered to keep the firearms out of kids' reach.
My friends who grew up there all had their own firearms as kids.
This kid lived near the coast but everybody inland hunts for their own food.
>>> The boy’s 12-year-old older brother loaded his father’s 20-gauge shotgun and shot the dog, Deputy Jesse Duda of the sheriff’s office said. It was named “Excalibur.” <<<
What a beautiful name for a shotgun.
Yeah. I researched it once - turns out 120lbs isn’t the top weight for pit bulls - there are breeders breeding larger than that.
Here’s a sample: http://www.biggeminikennels.com/males.php
Says males are over 140 lbs and females over 120. Lots of websites for the largest pit bulls.
Aw, the picture at the link - the kid looks heart broken. Did the right thing but it cost him a broken heart. Hero.
wow - grandma got hurt:
“Walker, who had wounds to her arms and legs, also had a right calf muscle partially torn off.”
I don't think it was a Old Yeller moment.
LOL....Chet99 got banned. I can’t remember why though.
Did you watch the video?
It took a 12 year old to do what was right. Maybe we should run him for president. LOL
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: all pit bulls should be killed. One charged me this morning as I was checking out of a motel in Klamath Falls, OR; if I had been packing the dog would be dead.
How was the shot group? Did he use buck shot?
The modern day version of “Old Yeller.”
Very sad, but TG for the quick action of the 12 year old.
Killing a dog can break you for a little while. even the wild ones. Its tragic but needs to be done sometimes.
That you Chet?
I absolutly agree, Pitbulls are not pets and never will be, anybody that don’t understand this by now are morons, yea, i know some people don’t agree, but it’s true never the less, same goes for Dobermans, mastiffs other large dogs that were bred to kill and fight
My father once shot a small kitten to end its suffering. He was carrying a huge vat of water and stepped on it. Dropping the water to get his weight off the cat ASAP, he saw it was too late - the cat was in horrible condition but still alive. My father picked up his rifle and shot it; he did not want to but there were so many injuries visible. He buried the kitten and kept to himself for awhile, silently working on his car or making repairs, pausing to shake his head sometimes but not talking about it.
3 days later, ALL the kittens in the litter sat on the top of the stairs waiting to be fed. Freaked my mother out - she kept counting and recounting and still came up with the ENTIRE litter. A careful search of each kitten revealed one with a tidy little bullet wound grazing his front leg. The wound was clean and healed well. Apparently what my father saw when initially checking the kitten was a series of complete dislocations that the kitten must have exchanged for 2 or 3 ‘lives’ of his 9 to get the bones back where they belonged. Cat lived a long life after that - despite the beginnings.
I wondered for a long time how my father could have possibly failed to kill the kitten at point blank range since he was quite an accomplished marksman. He was a tireless hunter and seldom missed his mark even at great distances with prey in motion. How could he fail to shoot the kitten. The only answer that came to me, that made sense, is that he felt so bad for stepping on the kitten, hearing it’s pain, seeing it’s injuries - well by the time he had to shoot it...I reckon’ he kinda closed his eyes.
Apparently the kitten did too rather convincingly because he was limp while being buried. But - he lived to have the last laugh and never seemed to single my father out for harsh treatment (must have been the forgivin’ sort).
Even as a hunter, my father didn’t relish an deer or pheasant dying, he just wanted to eat it.
I don’t think so. My cat was killed by a 100 lb pit bull a few months ago. I kept thinking they had the breed of dog wrong, but it was confirmed.
They are breeding them bigger nowadays. And the one that killed my cat was unneutered.
Wow. $10,000 stud fee, and what an ugly motherf*er!
Does it come with a 12 gauge with 00 buckshot?
Your post made me laugh so much I had to go look at the picture again. He is indeed ugly. This time I see that the website says that he weighs 150lbs and it shows him paws up on the shoulders of a 5’10” man! Hope that beast never has a ‘bad day’. As to your query about a shotgun...well now I am wondering if that is a new ‘collar’ attachment for these big pits. So...next question: who or what do they feed it, and how many pounds of chow does it eat to keep that musculature?
Sorry about the cat.
I had no idea they were breeding Pit’s that big.
In general, that’s a 75 lb dog.
Hey, Ransomnote, glad you enjoyed the post.
I guess if the owner gets the 10K stud fee (and he probably does), he can afford to buy whatever that monster needs to eat.
One chewed the entire zipper out of my leather jacket.
That dog always looked at me like a pork chop.
I have never been comfortable with the breed.
That said, the SOB never bit anyone that I know of.
Several years ago, I had a family member’s pit bull crash through my front door screen and kill a beloved calico cat of mine. I’ve hated that breed of dog to this very day.
I remember when I was about 8 my parents had a friend with a Dobermann and we went to their house. I did not like the sense of attack I got from that dog and it was as tall as me. There are too many examples with those dogs why they do not make good pets.
I’ve always liked pits. But I hate owners who don’t take the ownership of aggressive breeds very, very, seriously. This dog was blocks from home.
I have two akita mixes, there is no way they are ever loose. Ever. And I don’t care what anyone says, from the attack description, these people did not have control of the dog. The dog thought it was boss, not the people. Deadly.
Loving a dog does not mean it considers you boss.
When I was a kid, Dobermans scared the hell out of me. Shiny black with those pointed, cropped ears. Then there was they way that they stared at you. Yikes.
I ended up getting one. My dog was a big (large even for the breed), and looked pretty scary. I raised him from a small puppy, and he was the sweetest, most gentle dog I've ever seen. He's gone now, and I still miss him.
A well bred Dobe is gorgeous, and an amazing protector. Pinging Salamander to show off her lovely Odin.
That website sure shows a bunch of losers.
That’s good to know and that dog surely scared the hell out of me. I remember how scared I was of it and the way it came around me and how they tried to calm me down, but I just remember feeling like it wanted to attack me. And that was a big dog.
Heck, he developed that at 8 weeks of age....:D
There a good chance it was severely hypothyroidal, actually.
Many people are aware that hypo-thyroidism (low thyroid function) is a medical condition that can cause an afflicted dog to become lethargic, dull, and fat. But far too few dog owners are aware of the behavioral symptoms that hypothyroid can cause. This is unfortunate, since these symptoms include unexplainable aggression, so-called rage syndrome, severe phobias, and cognitive disorders. Lacking an explanation for the sudden onset of these serious behaviors, and gaining no improvement through training, many owners tragically opt to euthanize these troubled dogs.
Dogs who suddenly become aggressive should be tested for low thyroid. Unaware the behavior may be linked to a medical problem, some owners turn to training methods. This may help, but cant solve the underlying problem. Other owners may give up.
If an afflicted dog is very lucky, however, his owner will ask a veterinarian to order blood tests that can confirm a diagnosis of hypothyroidism; the treatment is simple and not expensive.
Its important to ask, however, since not many veterinarians are aware of the prevalence of hypothyroids behavioral signs.
Vets in the know
Hannibal, a seven-year-old Rottweiler, who was adopted by Whitney Pressler, DVM, of Salem, New York, when he was about two and a half years old, was one of the lucky hypothyroid dogs. Hannibal is normally a very mushy dog, in your face, asking to be petted and cuddled a very interactive personality, Dr. Pressler says. But in September of 2004, Hannibals personality changed drastically. In the space of a week, he went after two dogs, grabbing them by the scruff, and nipping at the gloves of a runner passing by.
Dr. Pressler had never seen Hannibal exhibit behavior like that before. As she pondered the behavior change, she realized that during the preceding few months, Hannibal had been more quiet and nervous, even a bit disoriented at times, than he was in his earlier years.
Fortunately for Hannibal, Dr. Pressler was aware of the possibility that her dogs scary new behavior may have a biological origin. She took a sample of Hannibals blood and sent it to W. Jean Dodds, DVM, of Hemopet in Southern California, for testing (including a full thyroid panel) and interpretation.
Dr. Dodds, a leading researcher with a special interest in thyroid-related issues in dogs, found Hannibals thyroid levels to be incredibly low, says Dr. Pressler, and recommended that Hannibal be started on supplemental thyroid medication immediately. He was 100 percent his normal self within a week, says Dr. Pressler.
Dr. Presslers experience with Hannibal is not unusual, says Dr. Dodds. She has seen many dogs with low thyroid who behave as if they have an attention deficit disorder. Its like theyre not home, she explains. This abnormal behavior can be intermittent and erratic, escalating to aggression such as Hannibal exhibited.
In most cases, these behavioral symptoms precede physical symptoms, particularly those generally recognized by most veterinarians as being associated with hypo-thyroidism, such as weight gain and coat changes. Hannibals case was no different. His coat was a little bit dull, but certainly not what I see in my patients in an exam when I think the dog is definitely hypothyroid, says Dr. Pressler.
What thyroid does
Part of the endocrine system, the thyroid is a butterfly shaped gland located in the neck, just below the larynx, and partially wrapped around the trachea. It secretes two major hormones, thyroxine (T4), and to a lesser degree, triiodothyronine (T3). These hormones play an important role in controlling metabolism, affect the heart, regulate cholesterol synthesis and degradation, and stimulate the development of red blood cells (erythropoiesis). Thyroid hormones are also essential for the normal growth and development of neurologic and skeletal systems, in addition to other roles.
Dogs may suffer from low thyroid due to a number of causes. Owners should be aware that it is an inheritable trait; Dr. Dodds has observed numerous cases of hypothyroid running in certain families in certain breeds something breeders of affected animals would rather not hear.
Canine hypothyroidism is most frequently due to autoimmune thyroiditis where the immune system fails to recognize the thyroid and attacks its cells. This condition is diagnosed by testing the dogs blood for the presence of autoantibodies developed in response to the immune system attack on the thyroid hormones. The immune system attack on the thyroid renders the gland incapable of producing the amount of hormones the body needs for optimal function.
We believe that if you biopsy the thyroid gland, at least 80 percent of all hypothyroid dogs will be seen to have lymphocytes (white blood cells) in the thyroid gland, says Dr. Dodds. The lymphocytes indicate that an autoimmune process is at work, destroying the gland.
Less than 10 percent of canine hypothyroid cases are secondary, that is due to deficiency of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). TSH deficiencies are generally a result of a problem with the pituitary gland.
Low thyroid and behavior
The way that low thyroid function negatively affects behavior, says Dr. Dodds, is mechanistically unclear. One theory links hypothyroidism with problems with the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, a major part of the neuroendocrine system that controls reactions to stress. Some hypothyroid patients have chronically elevated levels of cortisol, the stress hormone, which would chemically mimic a state of constant stress. Chronic stress is linked to depression and impaired mental function, as well as other issues.
The continual high level of cortisol could suppress pituitary function and decrease the production of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), resulting in reduced production of thyroid hormones.
Range of behavior problems
Dr. Dodds and other veterinarians and researchers have been linking changes in behavior to hypothyroidism for more than a dozen years. The various types of abnormal behavior can be grouped into three categories: aggression, extreme shyness, or seizure-like activity.
The cases involving aggression are often similar to Hannibals. A previously even-tempered animal lashes out at another animal or human without any warning. One such dog under the care of Dr. Dodds was successfully participating in performance events. One day the dogs behavior changed radically and he would go berserk every time he saw people he didnt know. Soon he was banned from the training facility because his aggressive behavior had escalated to dangerous levels. Sadly, its not unusual for dogs with untreated hypothyroidism to become so aggressive that their owners are no longer able to manage them.
On the other end of the behavioral spectrum are the dogs that become very shy and fearful due to hypothyroidism. While not a threat to humans, extreme manifestations of this kind of behavior still render the dog difficult, if not impossible to keep as a family pet. In addition, these animals are unlikely to be able to continue any activities such as obedience, showing, or working.
The final type of behavioral aberrations seen with hypothyroidism is sudden onset of seizure activity. According to Dr. Dodds, these dogs appear perfectly healthy outwardly, have normal hair coats and energy, but suddenly have a seizure for no apparent reason. The seizures may be infrequent, and may include aggressive behavior immediately before or after the seizures.
Which dogs are most at risk?
It used to be that the stereotypical dog with hypothyroidism was middle-aged and a mid- to large-sized breed. Today, says Dr. Dodds, the majority of dogs diagnosed with hypothyroidism are young adults. Theyre one and a half, not four or five like we used to see.
And there no longer seems to be a link between size and thyroid dysfunction. The top 20 most-affected breeds range in size from Rhodesian Ridgebacks to Maltese.
Hypothyroidism is becoming a particular problem with rare breeds, says Dr. Dodds, because of the increasing concentration of the inheritance of the problem within inbred breeds. About 70 percent of the 140 breeds recognized by the American Kennel Club (AKC) recognize hypothyroidism as a major concern in their breeds.
Dr. Dodds also notes that environmental and chemical stresses, better diagnostics, and more awareness of the problem (with resultant testing) increase the reported incidence of hypothyroidism.
Dr. Dodds feels that dogs with autoimmune thyroiditis should not be bred, and relatives should be screened annually for thyroid dysfunction once they reach puberty.
Diagnosis requires a full panel
Any time a dog presents with a behavior problem, particularly one of sudden onset, it is recommended that the owner take the dog to a veterinarian for a full physical exam, complete thyroid panel, blood chemistry/CBC, and urinalysis. After all, a dog can have something as simple as a urinary tract infection and be in horrible pain, causing the unusual behavior.
You have to be particular about the thyroid test, however. Insist on having your dogs blood sent to a reputable laboratory and tested for all the thyroid hormones and autoantibodies to those hormones. In-office thyroid tests, or simple tests of your dogs total T4 levels, are inadequate for diagnosing hypothyroidism.
Research done at Auburn University indicates that in-house T4 tests are unreliable and inaccurate about 52 percent of the time in dogs. Having treated lots of animals for hypothyroidism, the most important thing I can recommend is the panel versus the total T4. Every time I think that you can tell something from doing just a total T4, Im mistaken, says Dr. Pressler.
In addition to the possibility of inaccurate readings, the total T4 can be in the standard reference range, but too low for a particular dogs age, breed, or size. And the other levels found in a full thyroid panel give a much clearer picture about how the thyroid is functioning. A complete thyroid panel tests these six levels, plus TgAA:
Total levels of thyroid hormones thyroxine (T4), and
The availability of T4, as indicated by Free T4 (FT4);
The availability of T3, as indicated by Free T3 (FT3);
The autoantibody levels of T4 (T4AA), and
If the test is being performed as a genetic screening for breeding stock or for breeds at high risk, Dr. Dodds also recommends checking the thyroglobulin autoantibodies (TgAA). Thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) may also be tested, but it isnt nearly as reliable for dogs as it is in identifying hypothyroidism in people.
Dr. Dodds says that testing for autoantibodies is particularly important, because elevated levels of autoantibodies indicate thyroiditis, regardless of T4 or T3 levels. Those animals are having inflammatory immune-mediated lymphocytes attack and damage the thyroid gland, she explains. Its important to proactively treat these dogs, she adds, because when youre dealing with behavior issues, the dog could end up with serious aggression before the total T4 ever tests too low.
Dont let recent normal tests keep you from suspecting thyroid issues, should your dogs behavior change suddenly. Hannibal had a full blood panel in July, which included T4, which came in at 1.4. At that point, he was acting normally. His behavior started to change subtly until he had the three incidences of aggression, and he was diagnosed as hypothyroid in November.
Hannibals case illustrates another point: Results that are in the normal levels as dictated by the lab arent necessarily normal for your dog. Dr. Dodds has fine-tuned the optimal levels for different ages and breed types. Generally speaking, younger dogs should have higher thyroid levels (in the top half of the normal range). Geriatric and large- or giant-breed dogs have normal levels that are closer to the bottom part of the normal range. Sighthounds normally have very low basal thyroid levels.
Many vets believe that if a dog is on medications such as phenobarbital or steroids, the thyroid test results wont be accurate. Thats not true, according to Dr. Dodds. You simply have to take into account the impact the medications will have on the thyroid results; those medications reduce the thyroid values by 20 to 25 percent. If this is taken into account, you can still properly diagnose a dog with hypothyroidism and other concurrent health issues.
The standard treatment for hypothyroidism is hormone replacement with a synthetic T4 compound, L-thyroxine, often called by the brand name Soloxine. Depending on the dosage, a months supply for an average-sized dog costs between $5 and $10. Once diagnosed, Dr. Dodds starts treatment. The standard dose is 0.1 mg per 12-15 lbs of optimum bodyweight twice daily.
The half life is 12-16 hours, so we dont recommend putting them on once a day ever, says Dr. Dodds, despite some peoples experience that their dogs do fine on once a day dosing, and some medication labels give once per day dosing instructions.
Dr. Dodds cites a study published by the British Endocrine Society to back up her experience and recommendations. In the study, comparisons were made between animals given medication twice daily and once daily. The blood levels of thyroid in dogs who were given hormone replacement just once daily exhibited a roller coaster ride of a high peak and a deep valley. Twice daily dosing sends a better message to the rest of the endocrine system. If youre trying to regulate the pituitary gland so that the animal doesnt put lymphocytes in its thyroid gland, you want to do it in concert with the half-life, explains Dr. Dodds.
Interestingly, giving thyroid medication to a dog with normal T4 and T3 results doesnt cause the levels to go too high. We treat in this situation to inhibit the pituitary gland so it doesnt stimulate the thyroid gland anymore, says Dr. Dodds. When the thyroid gland isnt being stimulated with thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) by the pituitary, the lymphocytes leave the tissue, the body can heal itself, and youre replacing the needed thyroid hormones.
Finally, Dr. Dodds suggests that thyroid medication be given to the dog directly by mouth, rather than in the food bowl. Owners who feed their dogs home-prepared diets are warned not to give the medication within a half-hour of a calcium-rich meal, such as meaty bones or a dairy-rich food, as it will interfere with absorption of the medication.
In addition to thyroid medication, Dr. Dodds recommends certain supplements and remedies for dogs with hypothyroidism and behavior issues in particular. We use flower essences to calm agitated dogs. Give them Rescue Remedy before or during high-stress situations, she suggests.
Glandular supplements are an obvious choice for dogs with endocrine dysfunction (see Grand Glands, WDJ March 2003). But when youre dealing with a risky behavior case, medication is the right place to start, says Dr. Dodds. Shes had patients who are reluctant to use any kind of drug.
I can understand where theyre coming from; they want to use glandulars, but they keep shoveling them in and they dont work. Thats no good, especially if you have a behavior case, where you cant take a chance.
However, once the case is under control on medication, and the dogs behavior has returned to normal, if the owner wants to, glandular supplements can be added to the regime. We have quite a few cases that take thyroxine and glandulars. Sometimes when we do that we can reduce the amount of drug we have to give, explains Dr. Dodds.
Ask your holistic vet to help you choose a glandular supplement for a dog with immune-mediated hypothyroidism. While standard thyroid glandular supplements may be beneficial, a multiple glandular, or one that contains thymic gland, may be harmful. Immune support and modulation can be provided by plant sterols and sterolins, which help control immune-mediated and autoimmune disease processes. Sterols occur naturally in fruits, vegetables, seeds, and other sources. They are also available as concentrated supplements.
When choosing commercial foods, Dr. Dodds recommends types that contain only natural preservatives, such as mixed tocopherols (vitamin E), citric acid (vitamin C), and rosemary extract. She also suggests that all of her patients receive regular supplementation with vitamin E, Ester-C, echinacea, and garlic.
What to expect of treatment
Most of the cases that Dr. Dodds sees have responses like Hannibals. I would say at least 80 percent of the cases have a remarkable improvement; its unusual to have them not improve.
Even more gratifying, the improvement is often quick. Most animals show improvement from two days to two weeks after starting treatment; some may take up to 30 days. Interestingly, a collaborative study between Dr. Dodds and Tufts University has shown many dogs experiencing aggression issues, as a symptom of hypothyroidism, show a favorable response to thyroid replacement therapy within the first week of treatment, even when it took about three weeks to correct the metabolic deficit.
Follow-up blood work should be performed six to eight weeks after medication is started. Blood should be drawn four to six hours after dosing to monitor the dogs response. Dr. Dodds considers results that are between the upper third of the labs normal reference range to 25 percent above that to be optimal.
She also recommends a complete thyroid profile at the time of the recheck. It is essential for animals with autoimmune thyroiditis to determine if the autoantibodies are waning, she explains.
In most dogs, the autoantibodies begin to decline after treatment starts. This is significant in that it indicates that the autoimmune destruction of the gland is declining or even stopping. But it doesnt mean the dog is cured. Its important to maintain the dogs medication to keep a recurrence of the thyroiditis at bay.
*If* your formerly sweet family pet *ever* displays any abnormal behavior including but certainly NOT limited to aggression, PLEASE have its thyroid checked.
Undiagnosed hypothyroidsim is literally epidemic in dogs, now.
Not surprisingly, the majority of breeds that ‘suddenly attack’ are breeds predisposed to hypothyroidism although *any* breed can be affected.
Tick borne diseases such as Lyme and Ehrlichia [also under-diagnosed] are also responsible for ‘sudden aggression’ as the spirochetes affect the central nervous system.
Dr W. Jean Dodds, DVM is a miracle worker and tireless saint.
Thanks Lady. I didn’t know all of that.
It’s just a common breed characteristic called, not surprisingly, “the Dobermann Eye.”
Most of them have it, to a greater or lesser degree.
They are highly observant, they slowly, silently ‘stalk’ their potential victim rather than rushing at it.
That’s why they’re extremely effective property protection dogs.
A perp doesn’t know they’re about to get nailed until they feel the dog’s teeth.
However, they also do it without malice when simply observing a novel/unknown person.
~If~ it really had wanted to “attack you”, you would not be posting here now, musing about its intent, back then...:)
The dog was just observing you.
Probably more like a Mastiff or American Bulldog mixed with something else.
Urban thugs are getting really “creative”.
They’re “adding” other breeds to jack up the size.
Illegally registering a dog with the AKC as a “purebred” *whatever* is ridiculously easy.
Judging by the “usual suspects” bragging about their genetic abominations, I’m sure they’d have no ethical qualms about doing so.
Thanks for the link.
It -really- underscores where the “root problem” lies.
Stop insulting real losers.
-Those- people are soulless, subhuman trash.
Nor do most vets.
There is SO much new information coming to light and new studies being done every day that most vets simply don’t want to take the time to investigate it all.
It’s much easier to shuffle it off as a “brain lesion” or some other such drivel.
The real tragedy is that a simple, -cheap- medication completely “cures” the so-called “sudden aggression/rage syndrome” incredibly quickly.
I guess they can be as lazy or careless as the rest of us.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.