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Arguing (?) with an Obama Supporter
A Liberal Replies | 7/18/11

Posted on 07/18/2011 1:09:05 PM PDT by pabianice

As I noted on another post, I recently, accidentally, hit the dreaded “Reply All” to a post from a third party. The issue involved who is to blame for Obama and his disastrous, destructive policies. One of the “Reply All” people replied with a barrage of Leftist insanity. The argument continues.

For the education of my fellow Freepers, here is a collection to date. I post this as an anecdotal but representative sample of the pro-Obama, delusional Left. This may strike some as simply amusing. It is not. It is what we have to face in 2012 and beyond. Misspellings left intact.

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My original argument:

Regarding Obama’s Libyan War, Obama’s “Arab Spring,” Obama’s tripling the national debt in two years, and Obama’s clear hatred of the military (he can’t get the names of MOH recipients straight; Bush still visits wounded vets in the hospital – Obama doesn’t have the time); Obama refuses to admit he’s a Marxist; The Lovely Michelle grows to the size of a linebacker while scolding the rest of us to lose weight; Obama surrounds himself with elite college dorks who couldn’t run a gas station (8% of his people have ever worked outside of the government or college faculty – the lowest in history); Obama forbids our drilling for the 200 years worth of oil and the 300 years worth of coal in our own country as fuel prices skyrocket; Obama craps all over business and then pretends surprise when businesses can no longer afford to hire new workers.

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Mr. Liberal’s Response:

Conservatives are eager to send out anything anti Obama without checking for accuracy… From what I can see, conservatives are single issue voters and as long as the party is "anti abortion", the millionares can sucker the little guy into going along with the massive tax breaks for millionares and billinares, and the country is on tailspin toward third world status, having only the very wealthy and the very poor as long as conservatives run the house.

When Bush took over the country from Clinton, he inherited a balance budget and Clinton paid down $1 trillion on natl debt, yet you just heard negative from conservatives about Clinton.

If you can't answer the following questions, there must be something questionable about the conservative party.

Bush was soon running record deficits, yet I never got one complaint from a conservative.

1.What happened to cause the record deficits and why didn't conservatives complain?

2. Bush started the Iraq war through a lie that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags, mained 43,000 and millions have PTSD, yet I never got one complaint from a conservative. Why didn't conservatives complain? (Conservatives are eager to send a negative about Obama not having a flag behind him, and that hardly compares to starting a war with a lie that we've been losing troops and money to for 8 years)

3. I voted for Bush the first time, then found he'd lied about starting the Iraq war because they had "WMD's", yet the UN had boots on the ground for months and found nothing. Conservatives knew Bush started the Iraq war through a lie but still reelcted him. Why did you vote for Bush after knowing he started the war through a lie?

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My response:

Obama went into Libya to get votes for 2012, to show how “tough” he is. This from a “community organizer” that avoided actual military service himself, of course, surrounding himself with drooling sycophants and career college weenies who’ve neither served in the military nor had a real job.

Few Americans died in Libya because Obama “leads from behind…” That’s like pushing a rope. Obama was and remains a sissy who uses bullying to get his way through union thuggery and his cadre of insane congressional liberals. We went into Iraq upon solid intelligence from France, Brittan, and Israel that Saddam was making WMDs. That is true, although we gave him enough time to scoot them across the border into Syria. Would you rather we had not? As for the “Arab Spring” of Obama’s imagination, LOL!

BTW, what is your military experience/expertise?

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His reply:

Obama went into Libia to keep Kadafi from massacaring his own people. Do you compare that to Bush invading Iraq through a lie to make a war that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags after "mission accomplished" and "bring em on"? How many Americnas were killed in Libia… MY military experience was 4 years (in the Air Force working fire control. Are you insinuating non military is a pansy? If so, I conservative leader, Rush, a pansy? Boehner, McConnel and Trent Lott did not serve.

You said Obama refuses to admit he's a Marxist. Do you have evidence or is this another conservative lie (not racist) you're passing off to avoid my questions?

We had UN troops on the ground for months in Iraq and no sign of WMD's. We had satellite photos on Iraq the whole time and they found nothing, so how can you say France and Brittian had solid intelligence when our satelites that can pick out a person couldn't see one wmd's at any time? … See Bush's speech where he said Iraq had no input on 9/11. Bush tried getting the defense dept to say they had info on WMD's in Iraq but they wouldn't go along with it. It was strictly a Bush, Cheney, and Rove decision. I've been a registered republican all my life, but when I saw Bush lied and started the Iraq war through a lie, I changed parties… people suggesting Obama is a Muslim or a Marxist or that he is not doing a good job is just disguised racism…

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Response to article “The Week of Lying Dangerously,” 7/6/2011 | Email Jacob Sullum | Columnist's Archive

Obama caved today, giving on social security and medicare. Rush and other millionares and billionares are laughing all the way to the bank at the gullible they have working the trenches for them. If you can look yourself in the mirror with no guilt, that shows how gullible you are. Go ahead and tell me how much millionares and billionares need those tax breaks, (not those making $250K you've been led to believe).

If conservatives get into power we'll become a third world power with the wealthy in total control. If you think third world countries let citizens have guns, you're more gullible than I thought.

Go ahead and tell me how happy you are that Obama caved and the conservatives didn't cave on tax breaks for millionares and billionares.

You must be so proud.

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Response to article “Does Anyone Have Any Chocolate Socks?”

History lesson. Clinton had balanced budget and that's what Bush inherited. Bush gave tax breaks to the wealthy and started an unfunded war, and soon had record deficits going. Now Obama want to balance the budget but conservaties won't let him put taxes back on millionares and billionares that Bush cut to bring the budget back in balance. Now Boehner wants to throw seniors under the bus to cut SS and Medicare and have them take the hit while millioniares and billionares laugh all the way to the bank that the poor religious right conservatives are in the trenches doing their work for them.

Where was the conservative complaints when Bush was setting record deficiits.

Where was conservative complaints when Bush started a war through a lie that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags, maimed 43,000 and .75 million with PTSD at cost of clost to 1 trillion?

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Response to article “How a One-term President is Made:”

You complain about Obama but didn't complain about Bush that started a war through a lie that sent 4400 Amicans home in body bags and set record deficits soon after taking office. Why didn't you complain about that?

Tell me one thing, do you personally hope medicare and Social Security goes away like conservatives want?

While waiting for the answer from above questions, do you think it was good of Bush to invade Iraq through a lie when we already had another war going in Afghanistan?

Was war in Iraq a good expenditure of $1 trillion?

Is "obamacare" worse than the war Bush started in Iraq?

Betty Ford said women should have choice in abortions. Was she wrong?

Nancy Reagan said we should use stem cells for research after Ronnie got alzheimers. Was she wrong?

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Response to “The Line,” a cartoon showing an astronaut in his pressure suit waiting in the unemployment line because Obama has canceled our manned space program to “save money” and “The End of an Era…” an article on the end of the Space Shuttle/Manned Space Program:

Wow, that sounds like it was straight out of Rush's mouth. Good job.

So how much has planned parenthood cost compared to the Iraq war started with a lie?

Religious right wingers don't have the message yet that we don't have enough food to feed what we have now. When prices go up more, as they have done, more go to bed hungry. Doubt you saw on Natl morning program where they asked bunch of kids how many went to bed hungry, and most rasied their hands. One kid said it hurts right here, and pointed ot his stomach. Religious right don't care how many starve to death, they're just in the business of not stopping the flow of added mouths. Much more to come with drowths in Texas all the way to the east coast that is in extreme drowth now and growing nothing. Do you have more concern about adding to the population or feeding what we have?

The military will take it in the shorts as Boehner won't allow $1.5 trillion more taxes from millionares and billionares. All they're asking for is for them to pay the taxes when Clinton was in office and he paid down $1 trillion on the debt, but you'll never hear a conservative mention that.

I wondered when the article would turn into an anti Obama rant.

I guess you were impressed at the skill in diplomacy of Bush.

Bush took a balanced budget and turned it into record deficits in years and started a war with Iraq through a lie that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags. Why don't you ever address Bush's actions. Did you approve Bush's actions. Do you wnat more of that? Why don't you acknlodege Bush's falure?

I think you and other non wealthy conservatives go for the party that wants to give tax breaks for the wealth and cut Social Security and Medicare, are single issue voters and just vote conservative because they're anti abortion. Right?

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Re: “Obama threatens to shut-down Social Security:”

You must be so proud being on the side that wants to cut Social Security and Medicare.

We're headed to third world status with just the very wealthy and very poor. If you think third world countries with just very rich and very poor allow citizens to have guns, you're dreaming.

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Per chart from IBD showing the Obama Depression and joblessness the worst since 1930:

So where are the jobs created by Bush giving millionares and billionares big tax break "to provide jobs"?

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Per article showing Obama an utter, laughable failure in foreign policy:

I wondered when the article would turn into an anti Obama rant.

I guess you were impressed at the skill in diplomacy of Bush.

Bush took a balanced budget and turned it into record deficits in years and started a war with Iraq through a lie that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags. Why don't you ever address Bush's actions. Did you approve Bush's actions. Do you wnat more of that? Why don't you acknlodege Bush's falure?

I think you and other non wealthy conservatives go for the party that wants to give tax breaks for the wealth and cut Social Security and Medicare, are single issue voters and just vote conservative because they're anti abortion. Right?

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Reply to article: “Obama warns Cantor: 'Don't call my bluff'” about Obama’s temper tantrum while meeting with Republicans re. the budget:

I'd be pissed also if I had to put up with Boehner. You tell me how much Boehner gives on tax break to millionares and billionares, and you're out there in the trenches working for the party that wants to take away our Social Security and Medicare. All the giving has to be with Obama. Even a single issue voter like you are, "anti abortion" should be able to see you're being taken for a sucker by the conservatives.

Now get back in the trenches and fight to take away our SS and Medicare. Conservatives boggle my mind. At times like this they show no sanity. Have you met any other seniors that want to give up their SS and Medicare, that aren't millionares? Who do you think has more truth, Rush Limbaugh or Public Radio?

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Reply to article at WWW.GOAL.ORG (easily read there) regarding a Dem plan to make another attempt at back-door gun registration/confiscation (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/14/democrats_to_introduce_gun_control_legislation_tomorrow):

OK, you've done the Chicken Little part and we're all running around in circles saying, . "Democrats to Introduce Gun Control Legislation Today" "Democrats to Introduce Gun Control Legislation Today".

How long to we have to keep doing this before you tell the rest of the story, or is there no story? (It's not the story of Obama cutting gun sales on the Mexican border, is it)

I've asked many questions about conservatives and you've not been able to answer any. You've proven my theory that conservatives live in scare tactics, half truths, lies and are too ashamed to answer questions about what conservatives have done. If you didn't, you could answer my questions.

I think you know, but won't admit, that conservatives are controlled by millionare Rush that speaks for other millionares and billionares, and toss the religious right a bone saying they're against abortion, and relgious right run with the bone cutting their own Social Security and Medicare in the process. Do you really think millionares and billionares care about the unborn or their money? You're all good trench workers for the millionares and billionares. Tell me where I'm wrong, if you can, but since you haven't been able to answer my other questions, I doubt you can answer this one either.

I have another question you can answer. Bachman has a business of converting gays to straight by persuasion. Do you belive you can talk a person out of being gay?

How many other seniors have you talked to want to give up their SS and Medicare to millionares and billionares can keep their tax breaks?

The tax breaks to millionares and billionares have been to "provide jobs". It's been 9 years since Bush gave the breaks. Where's the jobs? All I've seen is conservative CEO's sending jobs overseas and using tax loopholes to keep from paying US taxes.

Religious right wingers don't have the message yet that we don't have enough food to feed what we have now. When prices go up more, as they have done, more go to bed hungry. Doubt you saw on Natl morning program where they asked bunch of kids how many went to bed hungry, and most rasied their hands. One kid said it hurts right here, and pointed ot his stomach. Religious right don't care how many starve to death, they're just in the business of not stopping the flow of added mouths through abortion. Much more to come with drowths in Texas all the way to the east coast that is in extreme drowth now and growing nothing. Do you have more concern about adding to the population or feeding what we have?

The military will take it in the shorts as Boehner won't allow $1.5 trillion more taxes from millionares and billionares. All Obama is asking for is for them to pay the taxes when Clinton was in office and he paid down $1 trillion on the debt, but you'll never hear a conservative mention that.

Betty Ford said, "women should have a choice in abortions." Was she wrong.

After Ronnie got alzheimers, Nancy Reagan said we should do research with stem cells rather than flush them down the drain. Was she wrong?

You said you wanted Obama to be a one term president. Was Bush a better president? Did you ever complaing about Bush's actions?

History lesson. Clinton paid down $1 trillion on natl debt and gave a balanced budget to Bush. Bush gave tax breaks to the wealthy and started an unfunded war, and soon had record deficits going. Now Obama want to balance the budget but conservaties won't let him put taxes back on millionares and billionares that Bush cut to bring the budget back in balance. Now Boehner wants to throw seniors under the bus to cut SS and Medicare and have them take the hit while millioniares and billionares laugh all the way to the bank that the poor religious right conservatives are in the trenches doing their work for them.

Where was the conservative complaints when Bush was setting record deficiits.

Where was conservative complaints when Bush started a war through a lie that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags, maimed 43,000 and .75 million with PTSD at cost of clost to 1 trillion?

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Response to article: “Can you refuse a smart meter? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0XnOoLR-u0&NR=1):

Ohmigod. I have to cut this short so I can go outside and wave hands in air shouting "smart meters are coming, smart meters are coming, guard your children".

I ordered a smart meter 3 years ago when I went on "time of day use" wattage usage. What is it you're afraid of? Are you growing pot? They can detect that on standard meters, you know. They never did say what they feared. FDR said it, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", and we're fearing for fear now. Ah, the conservative fear raising.

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Response to “Forget cars; cats cause global warming! Mother Jones says so!” (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2749275/posts?page=1):

Leave it to a right wing paper to come up with this, and some believe it and forward it. They call them conservatives, but they won't answer questions about what conservatives have done because they're too ashamed of what their party has done to defend them.

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Response to: “'no budget' Dirty Harry) Reid: No Social Security checks without debt deal:”

You're right, Republicans calling it scare tactics is a lie.

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Response to: “Blaming it all on the Tea Party” (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/07/15/blaming-it-all-on-the-tea-party/):

The tea party and conservatives will do anything it can to make Obama look bad, even it it means taking the country down. They and most conservatives are "party first and country last".

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Response to: “Soldiers ordered not to shoot Taliban as they plant mines... 'because it WAKES UP locals' :”

You want to hear a much better one that's really true? Bush started the war in Iraq that's sent 4300 Americans home in body bags, maimed 44,000 that we'll likely have to support the rest of their lives, and give 750,000 PTSD, many of whom are so shell shocked they can't work and many have such nightmares they can't sleep. And the Iraq war greatly lengthened the Aghanistan war because Bush had to take troops from Afghanistan war to fight the Iraq war, letting the Taliban regain control of Afghanisan after almost having Afghsnistan Taliban wiped up. Bush also spent $1 trillion doing this and no conservative complaint there, yet Obama wants to spend $1 trillion on Obama care that helps everone but the wealthy and conservatives complain. Don't the Religious Right care about the poor?

Why didn't you ever complain about Bush starting this war through a lie when we were already up to our eyeballs in a war with Afghhanistan? Did you think starting the Iraq war through a lie was a good idea?

When will you start answering questions? You're making accusazations but never answering questions. Aren't you a proud conservative that's proud of conservative's actions?

Where are you on answering questions about what conservatives have done?

Are you also going to just lay in the trenches of the millionares and billionares and throw rocks at anyone not pro right wing?

I've been a registered Republican all my life and voted for Bush the first time, then found he'd lied to me and voted aginst him the second time. Why didn't you 2 vote against him the second time? =========================================================

Reply to “Get Ready for Obama’s 70% Marginal Tax Rate” (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304911104576443893352153776.html):

Obama wouldn't have to do this if the poor Religious Right conservatives would get out of the trenches of working for millionares and billionares. Wall Street Journal now owned by Murdock that owns Fox News, that conservatives fall all over for, and even believe it. They even believe their leader Rush, speaks truth. Can you believe that?

Can you see what lop sided intelliegence we're dealing with? They and Boehner do whatever their leader, Rush, asks. I used to see people convinced by carnival barkers, and Rush is the best carnival barker of these days, and he sure has those that "look to him for truth" and only read right wing blogs following him. They even thing starting the Iraq war through a lie was a good idea… And yet right wingers can't see that starting the Iraq war through a lie has done horrible damge to this country. You sure are the target of those that just scan right wing stuff all day to send you. I think they're filled with hate that Rush preaches all day.


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While this is anecdotal, there's a lot to learn here. We see the beginning of the Liberal 2012 meme and its talking points. Everything is the fault of Bush and the Republicans. Everything that isn't is the result of conservative hate and racism. Don't laugh. A poll today on FR mentions that the majority of those polled blame the Republicans for the debt crisis and believe the Republicans want to take-away social security and Medicare. We see from this fellow that Liberals cannot debate -- they simply hammer their opponents with false charges and let the Rancid Media carry the ball for them. We also see that except for pre-election passions, conservatives generally lose public support. If the Left wins the current budget ceiling/tax battle, what can stop a Dem win in 2012? Liberals have achieved the impossible: they live in a fantasy world they created and from which events fail to shake them, like that Star Trek fan that insists upon wearing her "Starfleet uniform" to work every day.

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1 posted on 07/18/2011 1:09:09 PM PDT by pabianice
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It’s like arguing with a zombie...only the law won’t let you double tap a lib.....


2 posted on 07/18/2011 1:11:43 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: pabianice

In a world where comedian Bill Maher can appear as a guest on Time-Lies-Warner’s CNN New Network to provide political commentary, rational debate with the Left has ceased to exist.


3 posted on 07/18/2011 1:11:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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At this point in time, anyone who still supports Obama is not capable of seeing the truth, or is deliberately lying. I suspect most are just deliberately lying.


4 posted on 07/18/2011 1:17:39 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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Bush's deficit in 2007 was $162B.

Obama's deficit in 2010 was $1.6T. Ten times higher.

But the Left will always complain about Bush's "record deficits".

5 posted on 07/18/2011 1:18:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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From what I can see, conservatives are single issue voters and as long as the party is "anti abortion", the millionares can sucker the little guy into going along with the massive tax breaks for millionares and billinares

It's socialist billionaires like Bill Gates and George Soros who support BObama.

It's Barry O'bama who passed the jet tax break in the stimulus bill that was opposed by the GOP.

Single issues like abolishing slavery and permitting women to vote are on par with abolishing infanticide. Once the issue has been settled and human rights have been protected, the NEXT issue can be tackled.

As I see it, until there is a constitutional amendment ending abortion (protecting life) the issue will not be settled so apart from voting out of office those who want federal funding of abortions, there is little outcome that I expect in addressing this issue. It isn't the carrot that drives me to go vote.

6 posted on 07/18/2011 1:19:31 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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Got abou 60% thru and my eyes glazed over...


7 posted on 07/18/2011 1:19:39 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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CBS: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

“I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it,” Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html

Either Obama is lying, or the hundreds of democrats who’ve been telling us for decades that the Social Security funds are safe in a “lock box” were lying.

Democrats have been claiming on every single Sunday TV talk show that “SS is fully self funded and is NOT adding a dime to the deficit or debt.” So how can the debt limit have any bearing on these payments?


In the proposed 2011 budget, the White House defensively attacks the “irresponsibility of past” deficits. For example, the 2009 budget deficit of $1.4 trillion is blamed on the George W. Bush administration as if President Obama’s $862 billion stimulus package and more than $400 billion supplemental spending bill had nothing to do with it. Mr. Obama’s planned 2010 budget deficit rises to an even higher record level of $1.6 trillion. By comparison, all of Mr. Bush’s deficits from 2002 to 2008 - the seven years during which his team had the most control over the budget - produced a combined deficit of $2.1 trillion.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/08/a-deficit-avalanche/

...much of the debt problem IS Bush’s fault, just not MOST of it.


8 posted on 07/18/2011 1:19:47 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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Never argue with an idiot: They’ll take you down to their level and beat you with experience.


9 posted on 07/18/2011 1:22:59 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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When Bush took over the country from Clinton, he inherited a balance budget and Clinton paid down $1 trillion on natl debt, yet you just heard negative from conservatives about Clinton.

He inherited a dot-com bubble burst and a recession that he was told not to talk about in the 2000 election. The Left said that Bush was CAUSING a recession by talking about it during the campaign.

He also inherited the Fannie/Freddie mess that Barney Frank and other Rat criminals didn't want investigated in 2003. Barney Frank said that Bush's talk about it was causing problems for Fannie.

Seems to be a trend here.

10 posted on 07/18/2011 1:23:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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>>>Comments?

You can lead idiots to knowledge - you can not make them think.


11 posted on 07/18/2011 1:24:31 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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The GOP does a piss-poor job of explaining anything. They are afraid to say what they believe and, worse yet, they will not defend what they profess they believe. I loved Herman Cain when some idiot newspaper jerk said he didn't have any political experience and Cain shot back: Ninety-two percent of Congress have held their current seat before, suggesting deep political experience. How's that working out for you?

We need the GOP to point out that 80% of all new jobs are created by small businesses. If you or your kids ever hope to have a job, you need to do all you can to encourage those people to put it all on the line and start a business. Instead, Democrats do everything they can to raise taxes on business, telling everyone that profit is a dirty words. Well, if you buy into that BS...if taking a huge chunk of the profits away from greedy businessmen is good for us, then why not take ALL the profit away from businesses and make everything great for all of us. Do that and watch how many businesses open their doors next Monday.

Read my tag line...it's true.

12 posted on 07/18/2011 1:24:31 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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There was never a “budget surplus” under Clinton. That entire argument is based on a huge lie. Check annual increases in federal debt during the Clinton years...he never missed raising the debt a single time. If there had ever been a “surplus” under Clinton the debt would have been reduced, or would have at least remained unchanged from year to year. This “surplus” myth is created by taking certain categories of debt “off budget”...essentially hiding the reality of the increased debt that occured EVERY SINGLE YEAR under Clinton.


13 posted on 07/18/2011 1:28:14 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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Only Congress has the Constitutional authority to “start a war.” Liberals: Check your Constitution (for once).


14 posted on 07/18/2011 1:31:03 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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15 posted on 07/18/2011 1:31:15 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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:: You must be so proud being on the side that wants to cut Social Security and Medicare ::

What I told my SIL this weekend, “Absolutely...since it cuts into MY OWN ss and Medicare. You know, “shared sacrifice”...


16 posted on 07/18/2011 1:36:06 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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Statement: "Arguing (?) with an Obama Supporter"

Response: Sometimes it is wise to avoid bandying words with a fool.

17 posted on 07/18/2011 1:37:39 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/another-obama-lie-exposed-85-of-bush-tax-cuts-went-to-middle-class-not-the-rich-video/


18 posted on 07/18/2011 1:37:49 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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Ha, ha. Pretty funny. I've done the same “reply to all” thing and forgot to check exactly who the “all” were. Two or three times these idiot liberals shot back their inane, profanity laced replies with all the same talking points about WMDs or Bush deficits and such. Of course they can't hang with an old FReeper like me when it comes to reality and facts, but that doesn't stop them. You just can't reason with unreasonable morons that refuse any logical, observable truths.
19 posted on 07/18/2011 1:38:32 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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Liberalism is a mental disease, and you are arguing with the insane brainwashed libtards that ARE the Marxists of the past, but are in denial as to their roots.

That is the key. Ask them if what they think of Marxism. They will say they abhor it if they have any sense of history and the 100 million put to death by Marxism in the 20th century. (If not then remind them of that and how that number dwarfs Nazi Germany’s death toll).

Then describe the values and principles of Marxism; Redistribution of wealth (’from each according to their abilities, too each according to their needs’ but in other words), the rights of the government (as if a government can have rights; government has powers) -vs- private property rights, and so on.

Call it what it is, and call them what they are.

Marxists.

The same ideological battle only without a Cold War.


20 posted on 07/18/2011 1:39:11 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: pabianice
Have you ever noticed how boring it gets carrying on a conversation with a moonbat? Their response to anything is usually some old canned(prerecorded) message that has nothing to do with the current topic. And, by my count, there are now 423 million ex-lifetime-republicans-turned-democrat because some republican guy did or said something horrific.
21 posted on 07/18/2011 1:39:33 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Let’s also not forget zero cut half a trillion from medicare with zero care.


22 posted on 07/18/2011 1:44:59 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Let’s also not forget zero cut half a trillion from medicare with zero care.


23 posted on 07/18/2011 1:45:17 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Mark Levin explained the s/s issue and it's remarkably like the Obamacare issue.

When they first designed s/s it was called insurance but the SCOTUS said you can't force Americans to buy insurance so the rats argued that no- it was a tax and they have the power to tax and the SCOTUS agreed.

Mark said there has never been a separate fund for the money confiscated from us, that the statements that s/s send out are basically the equivalent of Bernie Madoff’s client's statements.

The left is quite good at stealing money with their lies.

24 posted on 07/18/2011 1:45:41 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: pabianice
Here's my favorite:

"Obama went into Libia to keep Kadafi from massacaring his own people. Do you compare that to Bush invading Iraq through a lie to make a war that's sent 4400 Americans home in body bags after "mission accomplished" and "bring em on"? How many Americnas were killed in Libia… "

Response:

True, Saddam was such a pussycat...
Kadaffy, on the other hand, responded to the Iraq invasion by giving up his WMP and coming clean -after which he posed no further regional threat. Had he known 'bam was in the wings, he'd no doubt have hung on. He's kicking himself for his compliance by now.

This is in sharp contrast to Saddam, who continually and repeatedly defied UN calls to give up WMD and played the UN for suckers with their own humantarian aid program.

Sometimes the differences a subtle, too much so for the likes of you.

(end)

25 posted on 07/18/2011 1:52:12 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Keith in Iowa

bttt


26 posted on 07/18/2011 1:53:05 PM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: pabianice

First it’s “millions with PTSD” then it’s “.75 million with PTSD.” What happened to all the others? I think we would have heard of a mass disappearance. Maybe they were cured. I question the veracity of his figures, too, but we’ll go for the easy questions first.


27 posted on 07/18/2011 1:53:24 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: pabianice
All they're asking for is for them to pay the taxes when Clinton was in office and he paid down $1 trillion on the debt, but you'll never hear a conservative mention that.

So the Liberals are saying that if we go back to the tax structure under Clinton we'll put expenditures back where they were at that time too?

28 posted on 07/18/2011 1:57:18 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: pabianice

Ask the moonbat if he still pays at the Clinton tax rates. When you get the predictable response back, tell him, unfortunately you no longer wish to interact with hypocrites.

Then end all further communication.

Leftists can’t stand being rejected, and not being the center of attention for their outbursts. It’s fun to watch, actually.


29 posted on 07/18/2011 2:04:32 PM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

“1.What happened to cause the record deficits and why didn’t conservatives complain?”

You tell him, Clinton forced the banks to loan money to people who could not afford it then put his own people in Fannie and Freddie (mention Jamie Gorelick. That drives them nuts). Then say Barney Frank was the one who said the housing market was fine despite Bush saying that putting mortgages into financial vehicles and selling them shouldn’t happen.

Then remind him again that Frank said everything was ok. Then for the icing on the cake, tell him that the banks, that donated to Obama heavily, not only made billions, but when it all collapsed he bailed them out.

But just for fun, tell him that the people responsible for it, (Geithner) now runs Treasury.

Then wait till he calls you a racist.

The way I been getting to them is by calling them liars. whenever they lie, I give them facts and tell them to quit lying. They hate me at the HuffPost.


30 posted on 07/18/2011 2:05:44 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: pabianice

Arguing with an 0bamatron is like arguing with a Skittered-controlled child from “Falling Skies.”


31 posted on 07/18/2011 2:07:43 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: pabianice
Clinton paid down $1 T in national debt

Really? I don't see any $1 T drop in the graph above. Clinton ran small surpluses in a couple years, meaning that he didn't add to the national debt. But he paid off only a tiny chunk of it, not $1T.

32 posted on 07/18/2011 2:16:23 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

It’s almost pointless arguing with liberalism.


33 posted on 07/18/2011 2:21:12 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: Campion

The only good financial moves Clinton ever made were because his gonads were in the vise of a Republican Congress. A place where I dearly hope we have Obama’s, if he has any.


34 posted on 07/18/2011 2:21:26 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Campion

BTTT.


35 posted on 07/18/2011 2:22:24 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: corlorde

They are but the flies on a pile of dung from the camel.


36 posted on 07/18/2011 2:22:28 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: pabianice

I find it comical that those who insist we teach Darwinism are unwilling to live by it.


37 posted on 07/18/2011 2:25:14 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: pabianice

Tell him to go smoke pot at the Phish concert.

Leave the hard work to the people who actually think about things rather than just trying to be the smartest people in the room.


38 posted on 07/18/2011 2:32:35 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: pabianice

Don’t argue with crazy people! That’s my rule!

I break it all the time though. Every once in a while I go to HuffPo for another round of abuse.


39 posted on 07/18/2011 2:34:21 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: pabianice




Your friend sounds like an idiot so actual facts and numbers probably wont help.




40 posted on 07/18/2011 2:46:35 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: pabianice

To the notion that Saddam never had WMDs, I guess then the Kurds all died from a really bad case of second-hand smoke?


41 posted on 07/18/2011 2:46:51 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: pabianice

When they resort to calling you a “racist” you know that you’ve won.

They have nothing left.


42 posted on 07/18/2011 2:46:54 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: pabianice
I voted for Bush the first time, then found he'd lied about starting the Iraq war because they had "WMD's", yet the UN had boots on the ground for months and found nothing.

Scott Ritter, child predator and arms inspector, flipped from being a critic of Saddam to attacking Bush. Some suspect that Saddam held some compromising details on Mr. Ritter.

The war in Iraq began under the first President Bush. Saddam restarted the war in the 1990s when he violated the terms of the peace agreement. If Saddam had stepped down, the war could have been avoided. When Saddam was toppled, the Iraq war ended. There were new conflicts following the ousting of Saddam. Can't really call it a civil war since the troops and funding and weaponry come from other countries including Iran.

The Cold War waged for 45 years after WWII. It would be wrong to say that it took all that time to fight WWII.

If the basics of the Iraq war cannot be discussed (outside of Rat mems like Bush Lied, People Died) then further debate is pointless.

Might as well dredge up the "Bush stole two elections" myth as well.

43 posted on 07/18/2011 2:49:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: COUNTrecount
When they resort to calling you a “racist” you know that you’ve won. They have nothing left.

I agree 100%. The point I keep making here is that when we resort to name calling, which we often do, we are seen in the same way, that we have nothing left, no real arguments.

44 posted on 07/18/2011 2:51:54 PM PDT by RonBush
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To: T. Jefferson
If you must reply, never answer there false premises...here's some ammo.

National debt increased every year under Clinton.

US Treasury

Clinton left Bush a recession, a 57% stock market crash, a trillion dollar sub-prime bubble, and 8 years of unanswered Al Qaeda attacks, culminating in a $2 trillion 9/11 attack. Always remember the senate controls spending. Clinton fought for spending, increases, republicans controlled the senate and stopped them. Republicans wrote every budget that produced the lowering deficits.

Iraq war didn't start in 2002; it started in 1992 when Iraq attacked Kuwait. Saddam violated the peace treaty for 8 years, UN voted 15-0 to resume hostilities based on the violated terms of the peace treaty.

45 posted on 07/18/2011 2:52:33 PM PDT by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: pabianice
You said Obama refuses to admit he's a Marxist. Do you have evidence or is this another conservative lie (not racist) you're passing off to avoid my questions?

How about from the horse's mouth?

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints.We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.We were alienated.

and

I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody

46 posted on 07/18/2011 2:57:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: All

The guy sounds like a broken record. I do agree that conservatives in general weren’t loud enough about the things that Bush did wrong. Like most liberals though, this guy can’t see past the mistakes of the last administration and now focus on the current one, who’s put us in an even worse situation than the one he started with.


47 posted on 07/18/2011 2:57:28 PM PDT by heysean
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To: pabianice

Anybody who is stil supporting Obama is either a progressive communist or dumber than a box of rocks.They are one in the same I don’t care how many degrees they have.


48 posted on 07/18/2011 2:59:55 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Campion

Clinton gutted the military and downsized them closing bases. Any POTUS would look good in this $avings.


49 posted on 07/18/2011 3:04:32 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: pabianice
Unless I missed it, not one mention of Gitmo.

Off-limits because the messiah lied about closing it?

50 posted on 07/18/2011 3:06:32 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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