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'Extraordinary' genetic make-up of north-east Wales men
BBC ^ | 19 July 2011 | BBC

Posted on 07/23/2011 7:26:30 PM PDT by Palter

Experts are asking people from north-east Wales to provide a DNA sample to discover why those from the area carry rare genetic make-up.

So far, 500 people have taken part in the study which shows 30% of men carry an unusual type of Y chromosome, compared to 1% of men elsewhere the UK.

Common in Mediterranean men, it was initially thought to suggest Bronze Age migrants 4,000 years ago.

Sheffield University scientists explain the study at Wrexham Science Festival. 'Quite extraordinary'

A team of scientists, led by Dr Andy Grierson and Dr Robert Johnston, from the University of Sheffield is trying to find out how and why this has come about.

Dr Grierson is leading the talk at Glyndŵr University on Tuesday and wants to speak to people with ancestry in the region to discover what is known about their family history - and to provide them with an opportunity to contribute a DNA sample to the project.

"The number of people in north-east Wales with this genetic make-up is quite extraordinary," he said.

"This type of genetic make-up is usually found in the eastern Mediterranean which made us think that there might have been strong connections between north-east Wales and this part of Europe somewhere in the past.

"But this appears not to be the case, so we're still looking to find out why it's happened and what it reveals about the history of the region."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: basques; bronzeage; dna; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; greatormecoppermine; helixmakemineadouble; iberia; ireland; spain; unitedkingdom; wales; welsh
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To: AlmaKing

No problem!

There are better charts online, and on some of the old FR threads, though.


21 posted on 07/23/2011 9:09:44 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Elendur

There was a thread here a couple of months ago, regarding horse burials in Eastern Europe, which followed old Vedic burial instructions to the T, according to it.


22 posted on 07/23/2011 9:14:36 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Palter
"This type of genetic make-up is usually found in the eastern Mediterranean which made us think that there might have been strong connections between north-east Wales and this part of Europe somewhere in the past. "But this appears not to be the case

Sounds like they might want to rethink that.

23 posted on 07/23/2011 9:30:54 PM PDT by bgill
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To: MarkL
There's a lot to be said about the incredible DNA of Welsh women as well!

Just damn!

24 posted on 07/23/2011 11:12:06 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Domestic Church

Thanks for the haplogroup. I wondered.


25 posted on 07/23/2011 11:53:35 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: James C. Bennett

I agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOgALTFzFbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdyC1BrQd6g


26 posted on 07/24/2011 2:25:34 AM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Palter; decimon; martin_fierro; blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Palter.
30% of men carry an unusual type of Y chromosome... Common in Mediterranean men
Joooooos!

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


27 posted on 07/24/2011 6:17:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: James C. Bennett

Where does the Austrian language fit on that tree?


28 posted on 07/24/2011 6:33:31 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: MarkL
CZJ does like somewhat Mediterranean you have to admit.
29 posted on 07/24/2011 6:45:51 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

German is what is spoken in Austria.


30 posted on 07/24/2011 6:54:35 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Domestic Church
"Y haplogroup E1b"

You can tell a fellow genealogist a mile away. :)

Catfish 1957(r1b1a2)

31 posted on 07/24/2011 7:17:59 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: James C. Bennett

He was joking at Obama’s expense, since our idiot president spoke of the “Austrian language” a few years ago.


32 posted on 07/24/2011 7:35:17 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Palter

Lost tribe?


33 posted on 07/24/2011 7:37:33 AM PDT by null and void (Day 913. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: catfish1957; Domestic Church
blam:

yDNA = R1b1b2
mtDNA ="V"

My grandmother (Smith) is related to Cheddar Man.

34 posted on 07/24/2011 7:42:44 AM PDT by blam
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To: Palter

English And Welsh Are Races Apart

35 posted on 07/24/2011 7:46:38 AM PDT by blam
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To: Palter

English And Welsh Are Races Apart

36 posted on 07/24/2011 7:46:54 AM PDT by blam
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To: AlmaKing
The Hindi/English languages must be constructed similarly or we just think in the same patterns.

I've worked with a lot of Indians over the years. It's not just a language thing. We do think in the same patterns. The engineering solutions to problems are indistinguishable. Solutions that Chinese, Vietnamese, Philippine or Japanese engineers come up with, although perfectly valid, just 'feel' different. Don't know why.

What I find even more interesting is how close the senses of humor are in both cultures.

37 posted on 07/24/2011 7:48:37 AM PDT by null and void (Day 913. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: James C. Bennett
Exact quote:

"It was interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing."

38 posted on 07/24/2011 7:50:35 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: James C. Bennett

Experts don’t necessarily agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr7zhnctF4c


39 posted on 07/24/2011 8:09:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: AlmaKing
The Hindi/English languages must be constructed similarly or we just think in the same patterns.

One of the more striking and convincing evidences of the affinity of Indo-european languages that I've ever seen is the paradigms for the personal pronoun in Anglo-Saxon and Sanskrit.

That not withstanding, educated Indians learn English from an early age and English has been the linga franca of the subcontinent for the last two centuries.

40 posted on 07/24/2011 8:15:59 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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