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Fragile Phil Collins helped from awards ceremony half way through
http://www.mirror.co.uk ^ | 23/07/2011 | by Sarah Tetteh

Posted on 07/25/2011 5:47:43 AM PDT by Red Badger

Phil Collins had to be helped out of an awards ceremony after being hit by crippling pains all over his body.

The fragile pop legend was due to present a gong to Ringo Starr but the lingering effects of a spinal injury struck and he was forced to leave, supported by two aides.

And Who guitarist Pete ­Townshend also joined the list of crock stars as he was spotted wearing two hearing aids to help combat ­deafness and tinnitus caused by years of loud music.

Former Genesis drummer Collins, 60, chatted to stars including Bob Geldof ahead of presenting Ringo with the Icon Award at the Mojo ceremony in London on Thursday. There he revealed: “I’m on my last legs. I couldn’t come back to music even if I wanted to.

“All these aches and pains, can’t do it any more.” A Mojo spokesman added: “Phil was unwell and ­unfortunately had to go home.”

Collins vowed to retire from music last March after a string of illnesses left him weak, lethargic and unable to drum ever again.

His ordeal began with the back injury in 2009 after decades of pounding his kit caused vertebrae to crush his spinal cord.

Collins, who has two young sons Nicholas and Matthew, with third and since divorced wife Orianne Cevey, insisted nothing could tempt him back into music.

He said before the awards ceremony kicked off: “I was tired of staying in a different hotel every night when touring.

“All those years on the road has taken it out of me. Now I spend all of my days doing nothing, just lying down watching daytime TV and Sky News.

“I just about manage to pick my boys up from school. I couldn’t come back, I’ve lost touch, I don’t know Plan B’s music or Lady Gaga’s. But tonight I’m here for Ringo.

“His award is well overdue, and that’s why I had to come out tonight.”

But pains in his arms, legs, back and other parts of his body meant he couldn’t last the distance at the three-hour event. As he was taken home, fears were also raised over Townshend’s health. Roger Daltry said his bandmate, 66, is “almost stone deaf”. He added: “When we last performed he had to stand right next to the speakers to hear anything.

“I don’t know what Pete will do. It could mark the end of the band doing live shows.”

Townshend’s problems began in the 60s when Who star Keith Moon blew up his drum kit live on stage and left him deaf in one ear. Decades of standing next to loud amps have also taken their toll.

The star said: “I have severe hearing damage. It’s manifested itself as tinnitus, ringing in the ears at frequencies that I play guitar. It’s painful and ­frustrating.

“I’ve no idea what I can do about this. I am unable to perform with in-ear monitors. In fact, the more they increase the more unbearable tinnitus I suffer after shows.”


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Music/Entertainment; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: genesis; music; rock; who
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To: Red Badger

Sad. I grew up listening to Genesis and Phil Collins.

I’ve always loved the man’s voice. It’s very distinct and enjoyable.

Lord, keep this man safe through his trials.


2 posted on 07/25/2011 5:52:36 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Red Badger
after decades of pounding his kit caused vertebrae to crush his spinal cord.

Sad. Didn't know drumming can cause injuries...

3 posted on 07/25/2011 5:53:29 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: Red Badger
Occupational hazard. Chip Davis, Mannheim Steamroller had neck surgery a couple of years ago.

Things could be worse, Phil.

4 posted on 07/25/2011 5:54:18 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: Red Badger
Actually, Collins doesn't look too bad in that pic; he still looks like Phil Collins. As a counterpoint, I was surprised to see that Peter Gabriel has morphed into Jesse Ventura...


5 posted on 07/25/2011 5:55:07 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Red Badger

Sad...

Phil Collins put on one of the best concerts I’ve ever attended.


6 posted on 07/25/2011 5:55:08 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: rarestia

I’m from the 80s, too ;-), and I’ve always enjoyed Phil’s singing. And he could keep rhythm, unlike the drummer in my band (my son) who tends to flake out and start playing something totally different. “What was that beat, Bill? The rest of us were in 4/4 ...”


7 posted on 07/25/2011 5:56:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, abusive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: Red Badger
And Who guitarist Pete ­Townshend also joined the list of crock stars
"Crock stars"?

after decades of pounding his kit caused vertebrae to crush his spinal cord
Does this make much sense?

Is it just me, or is anyone else having trouble with this piece?

8 posted on 07/25/2011 5:57:22 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Red Badger
I like Phil; he seems like a good guy.

I can't help noticing that a lot of big stars who get on stage slurring their words and being totally "out of it" sometimes excuse their behavior by saying "I have to take the pills to deal with the ... with the ... the back pain. Yeah, that's the ticket."

Meanwhile, you have someone like Phil Collins who shows up, does the best he can for Ringo, and is a real trooper. But he actuall does have backpain, and he does not appear to be self-medicating, and has to be helped away because he has a legitimate health problem. I think he's being a real man about this.

Sad.

9 posted on 07/25/2011 5:58:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: John123

I bet the injuries from Repetitive Motion Syndrome are awful!..........


10 posted on 07/25/2011 5:58:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: John123

My good friend who is a drummer and also a big fan of Phil Collins says that Phil’s posture behind the drum set was terrible — very slouched and hunched — and he is sure that is what is causing Phil’s physical problems now.


11 posted on 07/25/2011 5:58:28 AM PDT by reegs
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To: Clara Lou

It’s British English...............


12 posted on 07/25/2011 5:59:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Not a fan of Phil...but still sorry to hear that he is ailing.


13 posted on 07/25/2011 5:59:24 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Red Badger

Knowing his condition and limitations, you would think he would arrive later in the evening to present the award & then leave.


14 posted on 07/25/2011 6:02:56 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Message to ALL...the word is “trouper” NOT ‘trooper’.


15 posted on 07/25/2011 6:03:28 AM PDT by szweig (HYHEY!! (Have You Had Enough Yet))
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To: Clara Lou

A “kit” is a “drum kit,” which is the same thing as a “drum set.”


16 posted on 07/25/2011 6:04:40 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: szweig

Sorry about that. I knew the correct word, but the fingers went wrong.


17 posted on 07/25/2011 6:05:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Tax-chick

Try getting a drummer to play 6/4! A good drummer will get it done. A bad drummer will say, like my cousin, “But that’s not a fraction!”


18 posted on 07/25/2011 6:06:39 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: John123
His ordeal began with the back injury in 2009 after decades of pounding his kit caused vertebrae to crush his spinal cord.

"Sad. Didn't know drumming can cause injuries..."

Neither did I...53 years ago when I did my first on-stage gig. Now I can play better than ever (blues is the best) and I can do a five-set night with no problem.

But, like Collins, I can't load and set-up my drum "kit" without serious help from the bass player.

19 posted on 07/25/2011 6:08:12 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: nuconvert

Having had back trouble myself, you never know when you’ll have a spasm. They can come on unexpectedly and be very debilitating.....


20 posted on 07/25/2011 6:08:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I always liked Genesis , Collins and Gabriel too. Very talented. Age catches up with everyone. Pretty much every musician — including the most talented — reach a point where they don’t “have it” anymore and should hang it up.


21 posted on 07/25/2011 6:10:06 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: reegs
Phil's posture vs another legend that's been at it for almost the same time (but is still making music); Bill Bruford.

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If you look at early (late 60s, early 70s) pics of Bruford, he slouched quite a lot as well, but over time his posture greatly improved.
22 posted on 07/25/2011 6:10:35 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: szweig

It is if you're fighting giant bugs................

23 posted on 07/25/2011 6:10:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: rarestia

We do a song that’s in 3/2. I count it as if it’s a waltz, and the drum goes off on its own and we pretend that’s what we intended all along.


24 posted on 07/25/2011 6:12:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, abusive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: Red Badger
Despite his illness, Collins still looks pretty good. Geldof on the other hand...
25 posted on 07/25/2011 6:13:52 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Tax-chick

Old Joke:

“What do you call a guy who hangs out with three musicians?”

“The drummer”.........

http://instantrimshot.com/


26 posted on 07/25/2011 6:14:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Heh.

He plays the guitar, too. My husband just said this morning that we should try to feature Bill on guitar in some songs, and we could train another kid to play drum.


27 posted on 07/25/2011 6:17:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, abusive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: Red Badger

It was a foolish decision. Reading the article, his back condition is severe enough that he wasn’t going to go at all. That’s a clue that he couldn’t get thru a 3 hour ceremony, and should have come later.


28 posted on 07/25/2011 6:17:36 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Red Badger
Guess it was just in the air....
29 posted on 07/25/2011 6:17:47 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: Red Badger

why does a sickly frail old looking man of 60 have two “young” sons?.......maybe he should have thought about what it will be like to be a grandpa to his sons rather than a father when he had a chance....


30 posted on 07/25/2011 6:21:08 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Red Badger

Phil Collins—— worth 100 million so he’s set for life. But his health is awful. I saw him in 1982 or 3 when his first album came out. He was explosive and pounding on stage. No horns.... he could not afford to take them on tour


31 posted on 07/25/2011 6:21:19 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: Joe 6-pack

o man...


32 posted on 07/25/2011 6:21:29 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: Tax-chick
...and we could train another kid to play drum.

With all the electronic gizmos out there for sale, you don't need the kid..................

33 posted on 07/25/2011 6:24:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Tax-chick

he plays the piano too.....


34 posted on 07/25/2011 6:25:47 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Red Badger

Genesis - The (COMPLETE 29-MIN) Live Belgian TV Footage 1972


35 posted on 07/25/2011 6:25:50 AM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: John123

Drummers have terrible backs, and lots of repetitive hand and wrist type injuries from percussion injuries.

Sitting on that little seat while whacking away at things just sets them up for years of later pain. Most people don’t realize that true musicians are like atheletes.

Even singers put a lot of physical effort into singing. Just look at a clip of Ella Fitzgerald singing. Lots of muscle control in the abdomen. Every performance is like a yoga session. That’s one of the reasons older singers can lose their voice - they physically don’t have the strength anymore.


36 posted on 07/25/2011 6:29:32 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Red Badger

Well, true ... but it makes them feel important, and you can’t bring electronic gizmos to the Folk Society.


37 posted on 07/25/2011 6:30:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, abusive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: Red Badger
With all the electronic gizmos out there for sale, you don't need the kid.................

True, but not having a drummer to watch would detract from concerts - they tend to put on their own mini-shows...

38 posted on 07/25/2011 6:32:18 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Tax-chick

For Folk music, you don’t need a drummer at all..............For decades, the Grand Ol’ Opry would not allow drums on stage..............


39 posted on 07/25/2011 6:33:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Clara Lou
after decades of pounding his kit caused vertebrae to crush his spinal cord

If you think about the "stools" that many drummers use, and the positions their bodies are in while drumming, I suppose I could see how the lower back could be affected.

When you're in your 20's and early 30's, the body can compensate; when you're in your 40's and beyond, you really need to take care of your back. Slumped in a stool night after night doesn't seem that healthy to me.

40 posted on 07/25/2011 6:36:52 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: reegs
My good friend who is a drummer and also a big fan of Phil Collins says that Phil’s posture behind the drum set was terrible — very slouched and hunched — and he is sure that is what is causing Phil’s physical problems now.

Imagine if Phil was the full time Genesis drummer, which he hadn't been since 1975, he only played during a few long instrumental stretches on their tours. And on the solo tours, he played some drums, but mostly sang up front, or played keyboards.

41 posted on 07/25/2011 6:37:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ClearCase_guy

You don’t know what medical treatment he is under. Under the care of legitimate pain management, you may not be able to tell what he is taking.

In fact, I’ve noticed patients who don’t take their pain meds often act more “distracted” than ones that do. Once a person is habituated you often can’t tell they are taking anything. Pain is distracting.

And simply because he has to be helped doesn’t mean he’s not on regular meds. There are people out there in such bad shape that they have to be helped even though they are taking regular cocktails.

Pain is a serious problem in our society - I think so much of it comes from all the auto injuries people have throughout their lifetime. They are far more traumatic than people realize. It’s a growing medical field. That, and to get totally off the subject, diabetic endocrinology. That one is going to go off the charts in the next few years.


42 posted on 07/25/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Renderofveils

It would have been something to see Phil and Bill together during the 76 Genesis tour.


43 posted on 07/25/2011 6:39:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Rudder
I can't load and set-up my drum "kit" without serious help

The best drummers I've ever seen have minimal kits.

44 posted on 07/25/2011 6:40:38 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( I love the smell of burning Hope & Change in the morning.)
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To: Red Badger

The Folk Society includes all kinds of acoustic music. We do a lot of Latin American music, which requires percussion, and modern bluegrass can use a drum.


45 posted on 07/25/2011 6:41:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, abusive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: rarestia
Try getting a drummer to play 6/4!

Phil could do 9/8 without even breaking a sweat.

46 posted on 07/25/2011 6:42:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: I still care

Sorry I wan’t clear. My assumption is that Phil isn’t dosing himself up with everything he can grab. I would guess that he is following a prescribed pain management regimen which allows him to function well and helps deal with the pain as best as can be done. It’s the stars that chug bourbon as a self-prescribed pain management program that annoy me. As best I can determine, Phil is not one of those.


47 posted on 07/25/2011 6:45:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Tax-chick

Got dobro?...............


48 posted on 07/25/2011 6:50:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger

Nope, not so far. We used to have a viola, but the girl went away to college.


49 posted on 07/25/2011 6:52:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, abusive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: Tax-chick

I knew a lady named Viola, too....................


50 posted on 07/25/2011 6:55:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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