Skip to comments.The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading
Posted on 07/27/2011 12:00:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.
Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.
According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.
"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.
Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.
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Well behaved children are almost never a problem.
That being said, I understand completely the growing trend towards keeping out children.
Can we have a no-thugs-allowed movement?
Children need to be socialized in order to learn to be social. That said, considering parents are too lazy to discipline their children anymore I believe businesses have grounds to prohibit children. Parents do not have the right to bring anything, including unruly children, that disrupts the business.
I’m all for the no babies in First or Business Class, but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.
Or at least the type of folks that cannot control their kids.
I have a much bigger problem with adults who blather loudly into their cell phones or drop f-bombs every other word than with toddler meltdowns.
My grandson is a classic example of an over-nurtured child. His mother PLEADS with him to mind her and makes all sorts of threats that she never follows up on. And when I was watching him alone he needed to “go number 2” and wanted me to “wipe” him!? He’s frickin 6 and a half!!!
I told him that I wasn’t going to and I learned to wipe myself before I was five. He somehow managed. ;-)
The kid is so unruly that he drives the family crazy. But he’s learned to mind me. I follow through with my threats and, other than bruises and one broken bone, he’s doing fine. ;-)
With respect, that is not the case. I've seen people bring babies and small children to the best restaurant in town. Some people can only take a hint if it's tied to a brick and thrown forcefully at them.
That's where the article places the blame. I put the blame on incompetent parents who 1) Treat their child like a buddy, 2) Never, ever, discipline a child, 3) Pay no attention to their child in a public place, 4) Become irate when confronted with their child's rude behavior.
Mike McDain has been a friend of mine since the 60s but I hadn't been to his place for 4 or 5 years.
When I heard about this kid banning program, I got two other couples and we went to McDains and made it a point to tell him why.
We've been back since then and his business has really picked up.
He also has a driving range and I now go there instead of my club to hit balls.
I honestly believe that this AS WELL AS SMOKING!! should be up to the wishes of the proprietor.
If there is a demand for places to go where you can bring the rug rats, by all means, open a place up and make a fortune.
Similarly, if there are folks out there who enjoy a cigarette or cigar with a glass of wine after their meal, go for it.
I know, I know, it’s an outdated concept.
It’s called “the free market”.
Good. So long as I get audibly assaulted by little junior son-of-a-*itch in every restaurant, store and church I step into, smokers are owed an apology.
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Piper Weiss is a liberal uber-mommy who defiantly breast feeds in public and believes the whole world revolves around her sweet little Mystic and her precious adorable Brie.
(OK, I made this up, but seriesly....)
Why should I have to change my habits because of some self-centered, incompetent adult who refuses to control their brat?
No...socialization has nothing to do with it. Parenting has everything to do w/ it tho. It never takes a village just 2 adults (male & female) who take their roles seriously. If kids are well behaved at home they’ll be that way in public. That said they’re kids and will act that way until mature.
Of interest, ping.
Have you ever been in a public place where the kids are going crazy and screaming and mom and dad are just sitting there?....No thanks!
This is a logical conclusion for an increasingly hyperindivualistic culture devoted exclusively to pleasure and petty power.
Adults have abdicated because they don't want the children "mad."
If old farts want my kids’ social security contribution they should stop whining about the mere presence of children. There are definitely some selfish old people and childless people out there. Fine. They can care for each other in their final years and see how that goes for them.
Yeah, yeah, some kids are brats. That can be dealt with on an ad hoc basis. And I’m not for bringing kids into a nightclub or something. But it’s getting scary when kids are seen more as burdens than blessings. We, the mere “breeders”, need backing, not disparaging.
Agreed. His property, his choice.
“parents are too lazy to discipline their children anymore “
I think it’s worse than that; I think parents are held hostage by their kids, and are terrified of them. Sometimes when I need an affirmation of my decision to not have children, I’ll turn on “Supernanny”. Seems the common denominator among all the parents is that the children — even the very young ones — are thugs, and they constantly bully their parents. Eeewww. (I do know some extremely well-behaved children in our church.)
Right. The problem isn't the children.
ROFL! And that'll do it, too.
While I’m no fan of obnoxious kids, the fault is the parents.
I can understand the desire to be in a quiet, brat free environment, but this ban on children in certain places is an alarming warning signal of the condition of our culture and society.
Seems to me that a business should be able to decide who to allow in their establishments. Just as I can decide which businesses to shop/eat at.
If any of you would like to better understand the problem, get a copy of the movie "Barbarella" and pay particular attention to the scene where the "Getter" was rounding up all the kids who had been allowed to run wild. That will pretty much sum-up today's child problem.
We have banned restaurants from our list of recreational events. Those wonderful getaway-from-it-all moments so many enjoy have become nightmares with so many ill mannered children running unsupervised throughout the restaurants be they fast food, or other. Sick of it all.
We specifically don’t shop a couple of major retailers, because of being knocked down by kids running, and playing in the aisles while their parents shop oblivious of their kids actions.
As kids we knew what was right, and wrong. Our parents made certain we knew. Today the kids run free like animals with no regard for anybody but themselves, and what they want for fun, and entertainment, and their mouths....my GOD their mouths.
Mr. Hobbs (under his breath): "Little Creep..."
-- Mr. Hobbs Takes A Vacation, 1956
Note the year.
My parents decided to stop going out to eat when my younger brother was born. This lasted for a few years. At least they had the sense to know other people would be annoyed with his antics.
I've yet to find such a place. In fact, the more 'adult oriented' the restaurant, the less likely the parents are to pay any attention to their kids. They bring them along so they don't have to pay a sitter, then go about pretending it is "date night" for mom and dad.
If a business wants to ban children, they should have that right. Just as a business should have the right to permit smoking if they choose. The government certainly shouldn't be getting involved.
I’ve discovered that moving has that effect too - they’ve all become very emotionally needy. Even Zia the Hatecat is demanding skritchies.
“that the children even the very young ones are thugs, and they constantly bully their parents.”
Because the parents have shown they will not level any measure of discipline at them. I just went to a store this afternoon and could hear a 2 year old girl scream. I went over and screamed back. She shut up. I then gave the “parent” a little piece of my mind. Obviously, that little girl had never had so much as an unkind word directed at her by her biological giver. Wanna bet that little girl is one of those thugs and by the time she is 7 she will have started hitting her biological giver?
People have simply grown lazy, which is why they are fat and their kids are out of control. There simply are no negative consequences to their actions. We’ve PC’d ourselves out of control.
I dunno - easy to become distracted during that movie. ;^)
“wipe him!? Hes frickin 6 and a half!!!”
Last weekend ata s tore I heard this little boy screaming for his mother. He was about 5 and wanted the same thing. She went in to the bathroom. We have a nationof defectives.
LOL - you're probably right on the mark.
In school, you have to teach to the dumbest kid and the smart ones suffer for it.
In the military, you have to train to the slowest and dumbest soldier and the smart, in shape guys suffer for it.
In government, you have to legislate to the lowest of the low who commit crimes so the law-abiding suffer for it.
And in public, you have to make rules for the worst parents who choose not to control their kids and the good parents suffer for it.
My consolation is that while they might be in my store for a few minutes, the parents are stuck with them for years.
Parents today let their kids run wild.
“...socialization has nothing to do with it. Parenting has everything to do w/ it tho. It never takes a village”
I wasn’t talking about a village. If you want to teach your child about how to behave and act in public obviously it start at home, but the kid still needs practice in public. That was my point. It is why we take kids to various scoial settings, to teach them how to interact with people.
So far the most kids get beyond school time is a playground at McDonalds or a soccer field.
OMG! Have you asked the mom how long she plans to wipe his butt?
No chance, I've been to some of the best restaurants in New York City, and have seen countless parents bring their kids in, and watch it turn into chaos and mayhem.
Keep in mind, the food or cuisine at these places is not remotely kid friendly, so the parents are absolute idiots for bringing them in the first place, since the kids don't want anything on the menu, and the kitchen isn't going to make anything special for them. Bizarrely, this doesn't stop parents from bringing the kids anyway.
Worse yet, in New York, where it is illegal to have minors in a bar, some parents will still try and bring their kids and will fight over this with the establishment, its lunacy. I think the problem today is, parents who think the world revolves around their children and that everyone should roll out the red carpet for their kids, no matter the place or establishment.
Keep in mind, I am not anti-child, if I go to a restaurant and there is a kids menu, that to me, means its a appropriate for children to be there, as its a family establishment, but these are parents who are bringing their kids to places where there is nothing on the menu that the little tykes would want.
Too many people are trying to be their kids' friends and not parents. It was bad as I was raising mine (and the source of many a confrontation with my kids on why I was not like those other parents); I bet it is only getting worse.
Let’s also spend the country into bankruptcy to pay for our Medicare and Social Security. That will fix the little *&%$#@s!
It's not about kids, it's about indulgent parents who raise feral brats and are so wrapped up in themselves that they expect other paying customers to suffer in silence while their poorly raised children run wild in an expensive restaurant.
Of course, I'm sure that doesn't describe yours.
If someone's parenting skills are so non-existent that they can't raise their kids to behave properly in nice places where people pay big bucks for a quality dining experience, there's always Chucky Cheese and Mickey D's.
You sure? ;^)
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