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The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading
Shine via Yahoo! ^ | Wednesday, July 27, 2011 | Piper Weiss

Posted on 07/27/2011 12:00:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.

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Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

(Excerpt) Read more at shine.yahoo.com ...


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KEYWORDS: childrearing; children; kids; napl; parenting
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1 posted on 07/27/2011 12:00:47 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
Personally, if I want to hear little voices whining at me I'll feed my cats late.


2 posted on 07/27/2011 12:01:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Well behaved children are almost never a problem.

That being said, I understand completely the growing trend towards keeping out children.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 12:02:57 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Can we have a no-thugs-allowed movement?


4 posted on 07/27/2011 12:03:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Slings and Arrows

Children need to be socialized in order to learn to be social. That said, considering parents are too lazy to discipline their children anymore I believe businesses have grounds to prohibit children. Parents do not have the right to bring anything, including unruly children, that disrupts the business.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 12:04:44 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’m all for the no babies in First or Business Class, but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.

Or at least the type of folks that cannot control their kids.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 12:05:00 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Slings and Arrows

I have a much bigger problem with adults who blather loudly into their cell phones or drop f-bombs every other word than with toddler meltdowns.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 12:06:55 PM PDT by lazypadawan
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To: CodeToad

My grandson is a classic example of an over-nurtured child. His mother PLEADS with him to mind her and makes all sorts of threats that she never follows up on. And when I was watching him alone he needed to “go number 2” and wanted me to “wipe” him!? He’s frickin 6 and a half!!!

I told him that I wasn’t going to and I learned to wipe myself before I was five. He somehow managed. ;-)

The kid is so unruly that he drives the family crazy. But he’s learned to mind me. I follow through with my threats and, other than bruises and one broken bone, he’s doing fine. ;-)


8 posted on 07/27/2011 12:08:11 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: trumandogz
you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.

With respect, that is not the case. I've seen people bring babies and small children to the best restaurant in town. Some people can only take a hint if it's tied to a brick and thrown forcefully at them.

9 posted on 07/27/2011 12:08:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.

That's where the article places the blame. I put the blame on incompetent parents who 1) Treat their child like a buddy, 2) Never, ever, discipline a child, 3) Pay no attention to their child in a public place, 4) Become irate when confronted with their child's rude behavior.

10 posted on 07/27/2011 12:09:06 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Slings and Arrows
Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

Mike McDain has been a friend of mine since the 60s but I hadn't been to his place for 4 or 5 years.

When I heard about this kid banning program, I got two other couples and we went to McDains and made it a point to tell him why.

We've been back since then and his business has really picked up.

He also has a driving range and I now go there instead of my club to hit balls.

11 posted on 07/27/2011 12:09:19 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I honestly believe that this AS WELL AS SMOKING!! should be up to the wishes of the proprietor.

If there is a demand for places to go where you can bring the rug rats, by all means, open a place up and make a fortune.

Similarly, if there are folks out there who enjoy a cigarette or cigar with a glass of wine after their meal, go for it.

I know, I know, it’s an outdated concept.

It’s called “the free market”.


12 posted on 07/27/2011 12:09:26 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Good. So long as I get audibly assaulted by little junior son-of-a-*itch in every restaurant, store and church I step into, smokers are owed an apology.


13 posted on 07/27/2011 12:10:34 PM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

About the Author:
Piper Weiss is a liberal uber-mommy who defiantly breast feeds in public and believes the whole world revolves around her sweet little Mystic and her precious adorable Brie.

(OK, I made this up, but seriesly....)


14 posted on 07/27/2011 12:10:41 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it)
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To: trumandogz
but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.

Why should I have to change my habits because of some self-centered, incompetent adult who refuses to control their brat?

15 posted on 07/27/2011 12:10:42 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: CodeToad

No...socialization has nothing to do with it. Parenting has everything to do w/ it tho. It never takes a village just 2 adults (male & female) who take their roles seriously. If kids are well behaved at home they’ll be that way in public. That said they’re kids and will act that way until mature.


16 posted on 07/27/2011 12:10:48 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Slings and Arrows; wagglebee; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; ...

Of interest, ping.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 12:10:58 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Slings and Arrows

Have you ever been in a public place where the kids are going crazy and screaming and mom and dad are just sitting there?....No thanks!


18 posted on 07/27/2011 12:11:02 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Slings and Arrows

This is a logical conclusion for an increasingly hyperindivualistic culture devoted exclusively to pleasure and petty power.


19 posted on 07/27/2011 12:11:21 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Slings and Arrows
In far too many households, the children are the decision-makers and are running the show!

Adults have abdicated because they don't want the children "mad."

20 posted on 07/27/2011 12:11:21 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

If old farts want my kids’ social security contribution they should stop whining about the mere presence of children. There are definitely some selfish old people and childless people out there. Fine. They can care for each other in their final years and see how that goes for them.

Yeah, yeah, some kids are brats. That can be dealt with on an ad hoc basis. And I’m not for bringing kids into a nightclub or something. But it’s getting scary when kids are seen more as burdens than blessings. We, the mere “breeders”, need backing, not disparaging.


21 posted on 07/27/2011 12:13:17 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: dfwgator
Can we have a no-thugs-allowed movement?

That's RACIST!

/sarc

22 posted on 07/27/2011 12:14:44 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: djf

Agreed. His property, his choice.


23 posted on 07/27/2011 12:15:32 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: CodeToad

“parents are too lazy to discipline their children anymore “

I think it’s worse than that; I think parents are held hostage by their kids, and are terrified of them. Sometimes when I need an affirmation of my decision to not have children, I’ll turn on “Supernanny”. Seems the common denominator among all the parents is that the children — even the very young ones — are thugs, and they constantly bully their parents. Eeewww. (I do know some extremely well-behaved children in our church.)


24 posted on 07/27/2011 12:15:48 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: bcsco
That's where the article places the blame. I put the blame on incompetent parents who 1) Treat their child like a buddy, 2) Never, ever, discipline a child, 3) Pay no attention to their child in a public place, 4) Become irate when confronted with their child's rude behavior.

Right. The problem isn't the children.

25 posted on 07/27/2011 12:16:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Personally, if I want to hear little voices whining at me I'll feed my cats late.

ROFL! And that'll do it, too.

26 posted on 07/27/2011 12:16:54 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: lazypadawan

While I’m no fan of obnoxious kids, the fault is the parents.

I can understand the desire to be in a quiet, brat free environment, but this ban on children in certain places is an alarming warning signal of the condition of our culture and society.


27 posted on 07/27/2011 12:16:59 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Slings and Arrows

Seems to me that a business should be able to decide who to allow in their establishments. Just as I can decide which businesses to shop/eat at.


28 posted on 07/27/2011 12:17:04 PM PDT by cg56 (Change isn't necessarily a good thing. . .)
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To: Slings and Arrows; All
The problem is not the children but the parents who allow them to run wild and infringe on the rights of others.

If any of you would like to better understand the problem, get a copy of the movie "Barbarella" and pay particular attention to the scene where the "Getter" was rounding up all the kids who had been allowed to run wild. That will pretty much sum-up today's child problem.

29 posted on 07/27/2011 12:18:30 PM PDT by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness with global social consequences)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Up to the time they passed (after I retired), my parents were NEVER MY FRIENDS! They were my parents, and for that I am grateful.
30 posted on 07/27/2011 12:18:33 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Slings and Arrows

We have banned restaurants from our list of recreational events. Those wonderful getaway-from-it-all moments so many enjoy have become nightmares with so many ill mannered children running unsupervised throughout the restaurants be they fast food, or other. Sick of it all.

We specifically don’t shop a couple of major retailers, because of being knocked down by kids running, and playing in the aisles while their parents shop oblivious of their kids actions.

As kids we knew what was right, and wrong. Our parents made certain we knew. Today the kids run free like animals with no regard for anybody but themselves, and what they want for fun, and entertainment, and their mouths....my GOD their mouths.


31 posted on 07/27/2011 12:18:37 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: cg56

Again, agreed.


32 posted on 07/27/2011 12:19:00 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: CodeToad
Mother: "We never say no to our children! We believe that would hurt their creativity!"

Mr. Hobbs (under his breath): "Little Creep..."

-- Mr. Hobbs Takes A Vacation, 1956

Note the year.

33 posted on 07/27/2011 12:19:49 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Slings and Arrows

My parents decided to stop going out to eat when my younger brother was born. This lasted for a few years. At least they had the sense to know other people would be annoyed with his antics.


34 posted on 07/27/2011 12:20:20 PM PDT by camerongood210
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To: trumandogz
. . .but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.

I've yet to find such a place. In fact, the more 'adult oriented' the restaurant, the less likely the parents are to pay any attention to their kids. They bring them along so they don't have to pay a sitter, then go about pretending it is "date night" for mom and dad.

If a business wants to ban children, they should have that right. Just as a business should have the right to permit smoking if they choose. The government certainly shouldn't be getting involved.

35 posted on 07/27/2011 12:20:21 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Allegra

I’ve discovered that moving has that effect too - they’ve all become very emotionally needy. Even Zia the Hatecat is demanding skritchies.


36 posted on 07/27/2011 12:20:28 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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“that the children — even the very young ones — are thugs, and they constantly bully their parents.”

Because the parents have shown they will not level any measure of discipline at them. I just went to a store this afternoon and could hear a 2 year old girl scream. I went over and screamed back. She shut up. I then gave the “parent” a little piece of my mind. Obviously, that little girl had never had so much as an unkind word directed at her by her biological giver. Wanna bet that little girl is one of those thugs and by the time she is 7 she will have started hitting her biological giver?

People have simply grown lazy, which is why they are fat and their kids are out of control. There simply are no negative consequences to their actions. We’ve PC’d ourselves out of control.


37 posted on 07/27/2011 12:20:48 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: davisfh
If any of you would like to better understand the problem, get a copy of the movie "Barbarella" and pay particular attention to the scene where the "Getter" was rounding up all the kids who had been allowed to run wild.

I dunno - easy to become distracted during that movie. ;^)

38 posted on 07/27/2011 12:21:56 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: RobRoy

““wipe” him!? He’s frickin 6 and a half!!!”

Last weekend ata s tore I heard this little boy screaming for his mother. He was about 5 and wanted the same thing. She went in to the bathroom. We have a nationof defectives.


39 posted on 07/27/2011 12:23:18 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
(OK, I made this up, but seriesly....)

LOL - you're probably right on the mark.

40 posted on 07/27/2011 12:23:48 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: married21
Here's the problem: While your kids may be perfect little angels when out in public, others are not.

In school, you have to teach to the dumbest kid and the smart ones suffer for it.

In the military, you have to train to the slowest and dumbest soldier and the smart, in shape guys suffer for it.

In government, you have to legislate to the lowest of the low who commit crimes so the law-abiding suffer for it.

And in public, you have to make rules for the worst parents who choose not to control their kids and the good parents suffer for it.

41 posted on 07/27/2011 12:24:07 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: 556x45
As a store owner I frequently have to resist the desire to smack some rude kids who have no idea how to behave in public.

My consolation is that while they might be in my store for a few minutes, the parents are stuck with them for years.

42 posted on 07/27/2011 12:24:46 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Parents today let their kids run wild.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 12:25:34 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: 556x45

“...socialization has nothing to do with it. Parenting has everything to do w/ it tho. It never takes a village”

I wasn’t talking about a village. If you want to teach your child about how to behave and act in public obviously it start at home, but the kid still needs practice in public. That was my point. It is why we take kids to various scoial settings, to teach them how to interact with people.

So far the most kids get beyond school time is a playground at McDonalds or a soccer field.


44 posted on 07/27/2011 12:26:43 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: RobRoy

OMG! Have you asked the mom how long she plans to wipe his butt?


45 posted on 07/27/2011 12:30:10 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: trumandogz
I’m all for the no babies in First or Business Class, but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along.

No chance, I've been to some of the best restaurants in New York City, and have seen countless parents bring their kids in, and watch it turn into chaos and mayhem.

Keep in mind, the food or cuisine at these places is not remotely kid friendly, so the parents are absolute idiots for bringing them in the first place, since the kids don't want anything on the menu, and the kitchen isn't going to make anything special for them. Bizarrely, this doesn't stop parents from bringing the kids anyway.

Worse yet, in New York, where it is illegal to have minors in a bar, some parents will still try and bring their kids and will fight over this with the establishment, its lunacy. I think the problem today is, parents who think the world revolves around their children and that everyone should roll out the red carpet for their kids, no matter the place or establishment.

Keep in mind, I am not anti-child, if I go to a restaurant and there is a kids menu, that to me, means its a appropriate for children to be there, as its a family establishment, but these are parents who are bringing their kids to places where there is nothing on the menu that the little tykes would want.

46 posted on 07/27/2011 12:30:36 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Slings and Arrows
The problem with kids today is, in many cases, the parents.

Too many people are trying to be their kids' friends and not parents. It was bad as I was raising mine (and the source of many a confrontation with my kids on why I was not like those other parents); I bet it is only getting worse.

47 posted on 07/27/2011 12:31:20 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Slings and Arrows

Let’s also spend the country into bankruptcy to pay for our Medicare and Social Security. That will fix the little *&%$#@s!


48 posted on 07/27/2011 12:32:17 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: married21
We, the mere “breeders”, need backing, not disparaging.

It's not about kids, it's about indulgent parents who raise feral brats and are so wrapped up in themselves that they expect other paying customers to suffer in silence while their poorly raised children run wild in an expensive restaurant.

Of course, I'm sure that doesn't describe yours.

If someone's parenting skills are so non-existent that they can't raise their kids to behave properly in nice places where people pay big bucks for a quality dining experience, there's always Chucky Cheese and Mickey D's.

49 posted on 07/27/2011 12:32:28 PM PDT by Kenton (No hope, loose change - Buck Ofama)
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To: Responsibility2nd
OK, I made this up,

You sure? ;^)

50 posted on 07/27/2011 12:32:54 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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