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Pope recalls Ireland ambassador. PM damns Vatican cover up of the rape and torture of children.
Daily Mail ^

Posted on 07/27/2011 2:48:11 PM PDT by RonBush

Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny made a speech condemning the Holy See in which he said that the 'rape and torture of children were downplayed or managed, to uphold instead the primacy of the institution, its power, standing and reputation.'

He furiously denounced what he called 'the dysfunction, disconnection, elitism - and the narcissism - that dominate the culture of the Vatican to this day.'

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: diplomacy; endakenny; europeanunion; ireland; irishrepublicanarmy; kneecappers; kneecapping; romancatholicism; vatican
I hope covering up child molesting can be stopped. I hope it becomes the number one priority of the Pope and the church.

Confession and repentance are powerful spiritual tools. I hope the church is able to confess and repent rather than defend and deny.

1 posted on 07/27/2011 2:48:16 PM PDT by RonBush
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To: RonBush

Has the Irish PM condemned the Mohammadan Death Cultists ?


2 posted on 07/27/2011 2:54:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: RonBush

It’s a sad day for Ireland if the Prime Minister thinks this will get him more votes.

Evidently this is easier than dealing with Ireland’s economic problems.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 2:57:52 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: RonBush

Tragic when I see people only pretend to give a sh*8 when it’s faggot priests involved.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 2:58:02 PM PDT by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: RonBush

I really can’t imagine why pedophile priests weren’t 1) excommunicated (or whatever it is you do to priests who violate their vows) & 2) turned over to the law for prosecution. It is an outrage things were handled so badly. But then no one in charge of anything these days seems to have one iota of common sense.


5 posted on 07/27/2011 2:58:38 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: RonBush

You didn’t want to push some hot buttons did you :-)

The de facto historical modus operandi of the Rome-headed church has been to “work from within” rather than risk ostracizing any local congregation (or organization) that grew at some point from that church and which now identifies itself as Catholic, no matter how bad its behavior has gotten.

Whether this preserve-until-they-choose-to-split practice is good or bad for eternal souls I can’t speculate. But IMHO it’s led to a lot of unnecessary misery on earth for people who didn’t do anything to deserve it, and unnecessary bad-mouthing of Jesus Christ.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 3:03:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Cicero

So, your excuses for child molesters are “The Muslims are worse!” and “We have bigger problems”.

Nice.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 3:03:49 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Cicero

So the Prime Minister should wait for a situation where it gets him fewer votes and where the Irish economy is better before speaking up about allegations of institutional sexual abuse?


8 posted on 07/27/2011 3:06:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution!)
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To: Twotone

I think the word you’re looking for is Defrocked.


9 posted on 07/27/2011 3:07:11 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: RonBush

The “Vatican” did not cover up anything. The people who either covered up or ignored it were the Irish bishops, 3 of whom have already been removed by the Pope.

The removal of a bishop is a very serious thing and rarely happens in the Church. They are all considered successors to the Apostles, and until the Vatican’s records were destroyed (16th century, IIRC), every bishop could trace his lineage back to one of the Apostles. I have seen somewhat incomplete episcopal “genealogical charts” in Spain, although after Vaatican II, nobody seems to care much.

And in the 21st century, I’d bet that few if any people would know that Catholic bishops are the successors to the Apostles, and that they are all supposed to be able to trace their lineage back to the Apostle from whom they are descended.

St Patrick, the son of a Christian Roman-British authority and a Christian native woman (either in Northern England or what is now Scotland), was made Archbishop of Ireland by the Pope in the 5th century, since the first bishop of a territory is named as its archbishop. St. Patrick is probably weeping right now to see these hideous Irish bishops.


10 posted on 07/27/2011 3:07:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: RonBush

This is going to be weird later this year if that leftist candidate wins who think pedophilia and incest is just fine.


11 posted on 07/27/2011 3:11:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: livius
The people who either covered up or ignored it were the Irish bishops, 3 of whom have already been removed by the Pope.

So have they been kicked out of the clergy, or just moved somewhere else? Outside of Irish jurisdiction maybe? Just wondering.

12 posted on 07/27/2011 3:11:50 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: RingerSIX
Exactly. The problem isn't pedophilia or child molestation.

The problem is homos have a predilection to young butts, to adolescent boys.

13 posted on 07/27/2011 3:39:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Hugin

I take it that would be a “no.”


14 posted on 07/27/2011 4:16:03 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I take it that would be a “no.”

Was there a question?

15 posted on 07/27/2011 4:54:13 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You mean your original question? I have no idea. I know nothing about this pol, and it doesn't matter. Denouncing Muslims isn't a prerequisite for being outraged at covering up child molestation. If you read the story, he was repeating the allegations of an investigation. Unless you have some reason to challenge the findings, the messenger is irrelevant.
16 posted on 07/27/2011 5:11:02 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: RonBush

More Irish maybe becoming Protestant? Interesting.


17 posted on 07/27/2011 5:19:00 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: RonBush

Is this about the law where they want priests to break the confession seal?


18 posted on 07/27/2011 5:24:15 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I have no time to worry about turbot, a parrot is eating my house)
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To: Hugin; BlackElk

The answer is likely a resounding no, and it certainly does matter. It is very de rigueur amongst the left to bash the church. The irony and rank hypocrisy of these same pols is their championing of decadent values and indeed pushing mainstreaming of homosexual behavior are the very values and actions that have led to these problems within the Catholic church. There isn’t a single FReeper here who excuses child molestors, it is the hypocrisy of these certain politicians that should be questioned and their deafening silence on the root causes, nevermind their added silence on other monstrosities that are either at their doorstep or well within their house.


19 posted on 07/27/2011 5:48:49 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
It is very de rigueur amongst the left to bash the church. The irony and rank hypocrisy of these same pols is their championing of decadent values and indeed pushing mainstreaming of homosexual behavior are the very values and actions that have led to these problems within the Catholic church.

That may be true, but it still doesn't change whether what he says is true. In any case neither of us knows anything about him, so it's not only a logical fallicy to attack the man instead of the argument, but in this case you don't even know if the attack is true.

Moreover you can't blame people in Ireland for being more concerned about child molesters in the Catholic Church than the sins of Islam. Their kids overwhelmingly go to Catholic Church, not Mosques.

I am truly not anti-Catholic, but there seems to still be a corruption at high levels that tolerates this stuff, and it hasn't been completely dealt with yet. My sincere hope is that it will be, because it is a stain on an institution that many good people have faith in.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 6:04:47 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: RonBush
The Pope has got it covered, don't worry.

He's going to put the Reverends Sharpton and Swaggart right on it

21 posted on 07/27/2011 6:12:56 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Has the Irish PM condemned the Mohammadan Death Cultists ?

Good point. But also consider that two wrongs don't make a right.

22 posted on 07/27/2011 7:15:50 PM PDT by RonBush
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To: MetaThought; Twotone

Defrocked AND excommunicated works even better. Defrocked, excommunicated and burnt at the stake works still better but nosy secular governments in our age somehow think they have some business interfering with the third of those examples of justice when, in the good old days, they did what they were told by those who had inquired and judged on behalf of the Holy Office.


23 posted on 07/28/2011 1:16:32 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Is this about the law where they want priests to break the confession seal?

Not necessarily - it's about the accusations that the Pope, and the Bishops in Ireland, failed to remove priests from their duties when allegations of abuse came up.

24 posted on 07/28/2011 1:24:20 PM PDT by CT-Freeper (Visit CTF.org)
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To: RonBush; fieldmarshaldj

Mohammedan Death Cultists (we need to distinguish here among various different kinds of adherents to Islam and concentrate on the genuine nutcases and homicide bomber types) can neither be excommunicated nor defrocked by the RCC but, in a sane world, they would be quite eligible to receive the auto da fe and its corrective consequences.


25 posted on 07/28/2011 1:25:14 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: CT-Freeper

I suspect from your home page that you are a member of Philip Sheridan Council of the K of C in Waterbury. If so, I was degreed by your degree team many moons ago when it was headed up by Carmen Donnarumma and I took my Fourth at the magnificent Immaculate Conception Church in Waterbury. Yours is a great home page but (even though you come from Binghamton where the Mets have minor league teams) you should be kind to yourself and root for the Yanks. God bless you and yours!


26 posted on 07/28/2011 1:31:52 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: familyop

Irish can cease to be Irish but Catholicism defines Irish whatever this pissant politician Taoseach of Ireland may hallucinate. Ireland without Roman Catholicism would be about as appealing as the slums of Cairo. You remember the old saw from Gloria Steinem about a woman needing a man like a fish needs a bicycle? The sins of some priests (however despicable and worthy of execution) are no excuse for any rational human being (much less in Ireland) to turn his/her back on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, genuine Apostolic Succession, the seven sacraments including receiving absolution of our sins and the actual Body and Blood of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


27 posted on 07/28/2011 1:39:41 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; RonBush

If they enact such a law, then there should be another Rising and this time assisted by the Ancient Order of Hibernians and by an International St. Patrick’s Brigade. As with Wolfe Tone and O’Connell, freedom loving Protestants are welcome to play their part. The tactics employed by Michael Collins against the Brits should be utilized yet again-—ruthlessly. Look to Cork for it to begin!


28 posted on 07/28/2011 1:49:25 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny made a speech condemning the Holy See
Well, that should be the enda Kenny.


29 posted on 07/30/2011 11:22:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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