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Judge says polygamist leader can represent himself (Warren Jeffs trial)
MySA.com ^ | July 28, 2011 | WILL WEISSERT,

Posted on 07/28/2011 4:07:36 PM PDT by MizSterious

Judge says polygamist leader can represent himself

WILL WEISSERT, Associated Press
Updated 04:34 p.m., Thursday, July 28, 2011

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — Polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs dismissed his high-powered defense team and began representing himself Thursday in a last-ditch attempt to delay the start of his sexual assault trial.

With opening statements set to begin, the 55-year-old ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints said he had spent extensive time training his lawyers, but they weren't able to present "a pure defense." He then pleaded for more time to prepare the case by himself.

Jeffs burned through seven attorneys in six months and prosecutors had complained his frequent switching of counsel was a delay tactic. But special prosecutor Eric Nichols, representing the Texas attorney general's office, said he'd be willing to stop the trial until Monday if Jeffs represented himself.

State District Judge Barbara Walther allowed Jeffs to become his own lawyer but refused to delay the case — even as Jeffs sat alone at the defense table, rising every few minutes to mumble about how not delaying it would be a grave injustice.

The judge barreled onward, hearing a pretrial motion Jeffs' lawyers had previously filed seeking to suppress evidence from when Jeffs was arrested after a 2006 traffic stop in Nevada. "Is the defense ready to proceed?" she asked.

(Excerpt) Read more at mysanantonio.com ...


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Seven attorneys in six months? At some point, the judge just has to say, enough!
1 posted on 07/28/2011 4:07:40 PM PDT by MizSterious
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Warren Jeffs circus trial ping!
2 posted on 07/28/2011 4:10:25 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Pebcak; All
Pebcak provided a look at some of the evidence here--and it looks like there is not only dna evidence, but a sex tape. If this is the tape I've heard rumors about, it's going to be a shocker: supposedly, they recorded the "wedding" night with one of his child brides. Really, really sick.
3 posted on 07/28/2011 4:21:14 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

He has a fool as a client, but go for it.


4 posted on 07/28/2011 4:31:01 PM PDT by bgill
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To: MizSterious
What's that saying about a fool for a client? FIts here.

Anybody know how many "rapists" were convicted in that Texas FLDS event last year? I missed them all apparently.

5 posted on 07/28/2011 4:52:02 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Geithner: Taxes on 'Small Business' Must Rise So Government Doesn't 'Shrink')
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To: bgill

Not just a fool, but an arrogant fool, it seems.


6 posted on 07/28/2011 4:59:53 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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State: Audio tape of Jeffs assault part of evidence

By Kiah Collier, Michael Kelly, Matthew Waller
Originally published 09:56 a.m., July 28, 2011
Updated 04:36 p.m., July 28, 2011

SAN ANGELO, Texas — An audio tape of Warren Jeffs in the act of sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl will be among items of evidence presented to the jury, special prosecutor Eric Nichols said today in his opening statement in Jeffs' trial on sexual assault charges.

Nichols detailed for the 10-woman, 2-man Tom Green County jury Thursday afternoon the case the state will make against the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints prophet and leader, listing descriptions of evidence that will include documents, photographs and other materials seized from the YFZ Ranch, where the state alleges Jeffs sexually assaulted two underage girls in 2005 and 2006. He stands accused of two counts of sexual assault of a child.

The audio tape was cleared for admission as evidence this morning. It was taken during a traffic stop in Nevada in 2006 when Jeffs was arrested after being a fugitive on the FBI 10 Mosted Wanted Fugitive list for months. Also found in the vehicle, a Cadillac Escalade SUV, were disguises and several thousand dollars in cash.

(Excerpt--read the rest here)

7 posted on 07/28/2011 5:10:14 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Jeffs trial to be eighth prosecution of FLDS member

By Matthew Waller

Saturday, July 23, 2011

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Starting Monday, polygamy-sanctioning sect leader Warren Jeffs will join the ranks of fellow members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who have been prosecuted by the state.

Jeffs will be on trial in two counts of sexual assault of a child.

Seven FLDS members have undergone criminal prosecution, with two having taken plea bargains and five having gone to trial.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2011/jul/23/jeffs-to-join-associates-prosecuted-by-state/


8 posted on 07/28/2011 5:14:25 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

There is no here there or there here.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52279831-78/jeffs-walther-trial-texas.html.csp

It deals with exhibit 11A.


9 posted on 07/28/2011 5:22:47 PM PDT by Pebcak
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10 posted on 07/28/2011 5:28:35 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: MizSterious

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=16562092

Nice video summary of the mornings proceedings.


11 posted on 07/28/2011 5:50:16 PM PDT by Pebcak
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Jeffs was silent in the courtroom today and gave no opening statement. How is he going to represent himself if he doesn’t talk...
The judge won’t put up with that too long.


12 posted on 07/28/2011 6:13:38 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; MizSterious

I believe that is why she compelled him to retain his counsel - even though they are behind the bar.


13 posted on 07/28/2011 6:22:39 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; Pebcak

My guess? He wants to appeal the verdict on the basis of not having adequate representation. I’ve been thinking that he plans to use the trial to preach, but since he’s been so silent, that might not be right. Perhaps he wants to intimidate on cross.


14 posted on 07/29/2011 7:27:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...
The Daily Beast has a pretty good column on the trial. Some excerpts:

“I desire to represent myself,” he told the judge in his trademark hypnotic voice. “They are not comprehending who they are dealing with.” Those who know Jeffs tell The Daily Beast that what he was trying to say is that his attorneys don’t recognize he talks to God.

(SNIP!)

Jeffs’ followers tell a different story. One of them assured me, “Uncle Warren is the purest man on earth. All the world needs to know is that he is one of the cleanest people you’ll ever meet.”

(SNIP!)

“He will get out. And it won’t be done by us. It’ll be because of God.”

The FLDS knows this because their prophet told them so. Every Sunday, Jeffs’ speaks to them from a pay phone in his jail cell. “Last week, he told them he’s not going to trial at all,” says Brower. “And more alarming, he’s prophecizing that he’ll be ‘translated.’” Translated, according to Brower, means being changed from mortal to immortal. “Everybody’s wondering if he’s going to kill himself.”

(SNIP!)

Subpoenaed by the prosecution? Seventy-eight of Jeffs’ “wives.”

The writer also goes on to compare Jeffs to Brian David Mitchell, the perv who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart. Also mentioned is that the fLDS continues to try to have Judge Walther removed from the case. She says that Walther has a target on her back--I'm sure the writer means that in legal terms, but many of us have also read or heard rumblings that the terminology might be valid literally, too. I hope the the good judge has some very good protection for this trial, and perhaps after.

15 posted on 07/29/2011 7:56:21 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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FLDS TRIALS: Self-representation carries many risks

Some often opt to rehire attorney

* Posted July 28, 2011 at 9:32 p.m.

The Warren Jeffs trial took an interesting, if not entirely unexpected, turn on Thursday when the 55-year-old leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints fired his seasoned defense team and asked for permission to represent himself.

Before granting the request, 51st District Court Judge Barbara Walther, as she is required to do by law, warned Jeffs of the risks involved and personally discouraged it, saying she had never seen a defendant successfully self-represent in her 30 years of licensed law practice.

(SNIP!)

Jeffs’ former attorneys declined to say whether they were privy to his plans, but that they fully support his decision to represent himself because it is his legal right as long as he does so knowingly and intelligently. Law also requires that it be done before the jury is sworn in, which was the case.

“It’s absolutely his right, it’s his choice and I support it,” said Deric Walpole, Jeffs’ former lead counsel. “It’s always preferable to have an experienced counsel at the defense table, but it’s not necessary and it can be done or the law wouldn’t allow for it.”

(Excerpted--you can read the rest here.)


I do get the feeling that Walpole was VERY supportive of him being off the case. ;)

16 posted on 07/29/2011 8:05:30 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Are the parents of the underage girls who were pimped out to this perv going to be charged with anything?


17 posted on 07/29/2011 8:39:24 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I haven’t heard of it happening, but I’ve long thought that while most of the women are abused into submission, they should still be held accountable for what they force their daughters (some even under 10) to do. The men are just pigs. No redeeming virtues that I know of.


18 posted on 07/29/2011 8:42:58 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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My guess? He wants to appeal the verdict on the basis of not having adequate representation.

That's what I've been thinking, but somebody on tv said if the judge doesn't go along with this new defense, he could also base an appeal on that.

19 posted on 07/29/2011 8:49:41 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Are the parents of the underage girls who were pimped out to this perv going to be charged with anything?

They should be charged. How brainwashed can parents be to allow this...

20 posted on 07/29/2011 8:51:13 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Apparently (according the article I posted) they have the absolute right to represent themselves. I agree, she’d probably be reversed if she didn’t allow it. The guy is so devious, though, that I sincerely think he’s got a plan, however crazy it might be. I hope security is tight.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 8:56:42 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I can’t imagine the people in the San Angelo area will react like other, recent juries and let his perv go free. But I wonder in the future if Muslims will be treated the same as Fundamental Mormons. Somehow I think not.


22 posted on 07/29/2011 8:58:54 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: MizSterious
I hope security is tight.

Exactly...

A man like him is capable of anything.

23 posted on 07/29/2011 9:00:21 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
But I wonder in the future if Muslims will be treated the same as Fundamental Mormons. Somehow I think not.

No way...

24 posted on 07/29/2011 9:01:59 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

People had better start thinking about how they want their children to be raised. Assaults on our culture come from everywhere—this whole “multicultural” thing is a trojan horse to let in all the worst ills of the entire planet. It is not enough to “live and let live”—they want to change our ways to how they lived in whatever h*ll hole they came from. And that includes polygamy and child “brides.” Really, people, is that what you want for your children? Or grandchildren? Whether it’s fLDS or Islam, it’s just wrong.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 9:08:08 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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I have to say how sorry I feel for the child who had to procreate with that old dried up man! Can you even imagine? Little girls that age are supposed to have crushes on singers and tv/movie stars they will never meet. They are supposed to play kickball with neighborhood boys and ask their best friend to ask a boy in school if he "likes" her...not have to submit to an old perv because someone is telling her God wants this to happen.

I hope he gets life in prison with a bunch of gang bangers who turn him into their bitch.

26 posted on 07/29/2011 9:08:51 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: MizSterious
And the cultural divide is getting wider - not along race lines, but along family lines. Those teens accepting no husband but being breeders for various men they meet are dooming their children to a life of crappy schools, which just function as free day care. We have an ever widening chasm between the educated and the functional illiterates and there is nothing to stop it.

Throw in the third world invaders and it is scary to think what this country will be like in 20 years

27 posted on 07/29/2011 9:13:19 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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I hope he gets life in prison with a bunch of gang bangers who turn him into their bitch.

WOW...

That would be actual justice.

28 posted on 07/29/2011 9:16:07 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

I look like a mild middle aged Mom and wife, but there is a fighter hidden in here somewhere when it comes to perverts! lol


29 posted on 07/29/2011 9:18:50 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

...:)


30 posted on 07/29/2011 9:21:06 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MizSterious
Not just a fool, but an arrogant fool, it seems.

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

31 posted on 07/29/2011 11:04:46 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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Jeffs defends polygamy during sex assault trial

Polygamist religious leader Warren Jeffs has broken hours of silence in a West Texas courtroom with a lengthy sermon defending plural marriage as a constitutional freedom.

By WILL WEISSERT

Associated Press

SAN ANGELO, Texas —

Polygamist religious leader Warren Jeffs has broken hours of silence in a West Texas courtroom with a lengthy sermon defending plural marriage as a constitutional freedom.

Jeffs is charged with two counts of sexual assault of a child and is representing himself.

The ecclesiastical head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints broke his silence Friday by objecting to an FBI FBI agent’s testimony about records seized at his church’s compound during a 2008 raid. Jeffs then talked for nearly an hour.

The 55-year-old ecclesiastical Jeffs said his church has practiced five generations of polygamy as ordered by God, a higher power than U.S. courts.

Jeffs ended by saying “amen,” then repeatedly interrupted a prosecutor’s response.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015765362_apuspolygamistleader.html?syndication=rss


About what we expected, eh? And so on target with your post, Metmom!


32 posted on 07/29/2011 11:07:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Let him have at it. He’s only going to bury himself good and deep with that strategy and it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

I wonder where all the FLDS defenders are now?


33 posted on 07/29/2011 11:07:50 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Works for me.


34 posted on 07/29/2011 11:10:47 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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These flds children have no childhood. Some don't even know who their real birth parents are. Its disgusting , sad & make me sick. I hope Warren does defend himself because he is a kook. I am shocked his lawyers didn't try to have him declared incompetent. Which I doubt he really is. He is a religious perv. Using his religion to justify his Deviant Behavior. So do his male followers.

I hope he gets life in prison with a bunch of gang bangers who turn him into their bitch.

I couldn't have said it better!

35 posted on 07/29/2011 11:55:36 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: MizSterious
Warren is quiet no more:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/us-polygamy-trial-texas-idUSTRE76S5UR20110729

I'm getting this info from tweets - so take it for what that's worth.

He threatened the jury, interrupted the prosecution and Judge Walther had to warn him to sit down and observe the decorum of the Court multiple times.

The jury is alternately sitting with crossed arms or staring with looks of amazement.

Miz - if you feel it's appropriate, ping the list.

36 posted on 07/29/2011 3:00:40 PM PDT by Pebcak
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That would be actual justice.

The irony of an arranged marriage in Huntsville

37 posted on 07/29/2011 3:12:57 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: metmom

To that I say amen.


38 posted on 07/29/2011 3:15:02 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...
From Pebcak's link:

Polygamist leader Warren Jeffs interrupted his Texas child sexual assault trial on Friday, shouting that his religious rights were being violated and warning the court it was stomping on "sacred ground".

"This is not a fly-by-night religious organization," Jeffs shouted in front of the startled jurors in the San Angelo courtroom, referring to the breakaway Mormon sect he leads.

Dang, sure seemed fly by night to me...

Pinging the Warren Jeffs trial ping list--if anyone wants on or off, let me know via freepmail!

39 posted on 07/29/2011 3:28:49 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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Polygamist sect leader threatens court with Bible

AP By WILL WEISSERT - Associated Press | AP – 40 mins ago

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) — A polygamist group leader says unless his trial on sexual assault charges is halted, those involved will face "sickness and death."

Warren Jeffs has been representing himself against accusations he sexually assaulted two underage girls. He spoke for nearly an hour Thursday, while objecting to testimony about evidence FBI agents seized from his group's compound in Texas.

After Judge Barbara Walther overruled his objection, he told her he had to read a statement from God.

Walther dismissed the jury, and the head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints read a statement saying God demanded the trial end or "sickness and death" would come to all involved.

(Excerpt--click the link for the rest...)

40 posted on 07/29/2011 3:42:58 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Reality is a b!tch for someone who fancied himself a god.

I LOVE it!


41 posted on 07/29/2011 3:54:02 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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Wow. A Statement from God, about the trial of Warren Jeffs, written by Warren Jeffs. Guy must believe his own con he has been practicing it so long.

Dude! Wake up! The rest of us don't think you speak for God!

42 posted on 07/29/2011 4:00:59 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: metmom

LOL—I suspect the one who needs to be concerned about what’s said in the Bible just might be Warren Jeffs!


43 posted on 07/29/2011 4:01:27 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
Miz - You absolutely have the right under the Constitution to represent yourself. Although the maxim is the attorney that represents himself has a fool for a client. So Judge Walther was compelled to let him do it.

She also covered her bases by requiring at least one of his defense attorneys be available at all times for consult.

Insanity is measured by your ability to understand the charges against you and assist in you own defense.

By talking about polygamy and religion - it's importance to him he's framed the arguments in such a way to demonstrate he understands them.

When he rose to object to LE about the ‘Bishops List’ he demonstrated - in a weird way - but non the less that he could assist in his own defense.

I don't think he'll be getting a ticket to Vernon, TX any time soon. Maybe put in time out by Judge Walthers, though.

44 posted on 07/29/2011 4:14:34 PM PDT by Pebcak
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, but they weren’t able to present “a pure defense.”

- - - - -
IOW, they don’t consider him a prophet.


45 posted on 07/29/2011 4:16:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious; Dr. Scarpetta; Pebcak; mrreaganaut

He wants to appeal the verdict on the basis of not having adequate representation

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If he is representing himself, he cannot appeal on that basis. Someone would have to prove that Jeffs was incompetent before he fired his attorneys and remained so through the end of the trial, then based upon him being declared legally incompetent, could file an appeal.

However, thinking you are a prophet who talks to God, is not the basis for being declared legally incompetent.

pinged hubby to this as well.


46 posted on 07/29/2011 4:41:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious

Hes just channeling Joey Smith


47 posted on 07/29/2011 4:45:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

How brainwashed can parents be to allow this...

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You have no idea. I knew several polygamous families when I lived in Utah. For these parents, they were probably proud and flattered that their child was ‘chosen’ by the prophet, because that would ensure them (through marriage to one of the prophets of the last dispensation) godhood.

I’m not kidding. This is how their minds work.


48 posted on 07/29/2011 4:51:54 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious; Dr. Scarpetta; mrreaganaut

I agree, she’d probably be reversed if she didn’t allow it.

- - - —
It is possible but not likely unless they could prove judicial misconduct and a higher court would have to step in during the trial.

I do know judges can and have compelled attorneys to stay on a case.

Courtesy ping to my attorney.


49 posted on 07/29/2011 5:03:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: metmom; MizSterious

I wonder where all the FLDS defenders are now?

- - - - -
I know a couple opus’d out and a couple more got zotted for unrelated issues.


50 posted on 07/29/2011 5:08:39 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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