Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Alabama F-16 comes off runway at Oshkosh (w/ picture)
F-16.net ^ | 7/28/2011 | Asif Shamim

Posted on 07/29/2011 7:30:51 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

July 28, 2011 (by Asif Shamim) - An F-16C block 30 from 100 FS (#87-0296) sustained a hard landing after coming off the runway at Wittman Regional Airport during the AirVenture event at Oshkosh this morning.

The incident happened at 11.20h local time on the north runway at Wittman Regional Airport near the Warbirds area.

Information regarding the status of pilot has not been released, but was early reports indicate the pilot walked away and was taken for medical attention.

Bill Tregoning an eyewitness reported the following "It looked like the plane came off the edge of the runway going about 60 miles per hour," he said. "The front landing gear sunk into the soft ground because of the rain."

He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

A board of enquiry will look into the accident


TOPICS:
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f16
Picture here: http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item442955.html
1 posted on 07/29/2011 7:30:53 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

2 posted on 07/29/2011 7:37:42 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

Pretty amazing photo sequence here: http://www.wpix.com/news/nationworld/witi-20110728eaaf16incident,0,5934051.photogallery


3 posted on 07/29/2011 7:38:19 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

4 posted on 07/29/2011 7:39:38 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Link didn’t seem to work when I clicked on it. Here’s one more try: http://www.wpix.com/news/nationworld/witi-20110728-eaa-f16-incident,0,5934051.photogallery


5 posted on 07/29/2011 7:41:25 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

Ya think?

Here's video of a vintage North American FJ4 doing the same thing just a little while later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ub7PFQSQFkI

6 posted on 07/29/2011 7:41:58 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo

Looks like the SIB will have lots of pics to look at on this one. I’m also glad the plane didn’t turn over since the pilot elected not to punch out.


7 posted on 07/29/2011 7:50:33 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

Comment #8 Removed by Moderator

To: Yo-Yo

Looks like it broke off the pointy end too.


9 posted on 07/29/2011 7:51:51 AM PDT by farmguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

“early reports indicate the pilot walked away and was taken for medical attention”


I wonder what the medical code is for “Change of undies”


10 posted on 07/29/2011 7:55:26 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Not only airframe damage, trashed the engine by injesting several cubic yards of sod while at full power.

Someone’s flight career just took a dump.


11 posted on 07/29/2011 7:56:16 AM PDT by wrench
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

*Won't You Get In Line To Sponsor New Monthly Donors*


Sponsoring FReepers Contribute $10 For Each New Monthly Donor Up To Ten
Or Become A New Monthly Donor Or
Give What You Can
Click Here To Donate


New Sponsors May Freepmail TheOldLady For Instructions

12 posted on 07/29/2011 8:08:59 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Oshkosh Airport is extremely dangerous during the EAA. So many planes coming and going with only two runways>3500 feet. It is the busiest airport in the world for that week. There is a video on youtube of a pilot in a Cherokee being directed to land in between two P-51s, and the spacing between the planes is so tight he has to take emergency measures to slam the plane down onto the runway so he doesn't hit the P-51 in front of him.

I am only a student pilot, but I will neverfly into Oshkosh for the EAA.

13 posted on 07/29/2011 8:16:02 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wrench
injesting several cubic yards of sod while at full power

Well, not full power.

He was landing...

Still... yeah - the engine is probably trashed.

Seems he couldn't get it stopped - whether due to water on the runway, too short a runway, who knows...

14 posted on 07/29/2011 8:17:27 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

What’s the deductible?


15 posted on 07/29/2011 8:35:32 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

No worries. If pilot incompetence is determined, he can land a job at any number of govt agencies.


16 posted on 07/29/2011 8:38:55 AM PDT by lurk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: farmguy
Looks like it broke off the pointy end too.

No problem, that'll buff right out.

And something tells me that a certain Alabama National Guard pilot will have lots and lots of one weekends a month and two weeks a year to dedicate to doing the buffing because he is no longer on the flight rotation roster...

17 posted on 07/29/2011 8:47:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: grobdriver
He broke my F-16!!!

Viewing his exhaust shows alot of flame still coming out. He couldn't have been in burner so I'm guessing FOD ingestion.

18 posted on 07/29/2011 9:11:07 AM PDT by pfflier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: freedomlover

Code brown.


19 posted on 07/29/2011 9:13:01 AM PDT by pfflier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: grobdriver

Look at the slide show, he did go to full power after leaving the runway, had full up elevator as well, he (or she) was trying to power out of it.


20 posted on 07/29/2011 10:17:32 AM PDT by wrench
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Sparky1776; militant2; TaMoDee; freedumb2003; PERKY2004

F-16 Ping.


21 posted on 07/29/2011 10:20:40 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

They effectively have 5 runways during show week. Plus, they have 2 traffic patterns, slow movers @ 800 and fast movers @ 1200, IIRC.

They have “short “ and “long” designations on both main runways (ie. land 27 short or 27 long) and use the taxiway as a runway sometimes.

It isn’t for the faint of heart, but if one is a competent pilot, they should have no problems.


22 posted on 07/29/2011 10:22:14 AM PDT by wrench
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: wrench
From Avweb:

F-16 Runway Overrun at Oshkosh
An F-16 rolled off the end of Runway 36 at Wittman Regional Airport after landing about 11:40 a.m. Thursday.
The aircraft did what appeared to be a normal landing with a high alpha rollout, but it failed to stop, and it appears the nosegear was collapsed when it hit the grass.
In the accompanying photos, the engine nozzle appears to be in the fully open position during the landing roll, and a small fire can be seen in the aircraft's tailpipe after it stops.
The photos were taken by AVweb intern Adam Cutler. (The airport was temporarily closed at the time of the incident.)

Perhaps the "high-alpha rollout" makes it look like he was trying to go around.

23 posted on 07/29/2011 10:47:36 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: lurk

No way, gov. doesn’t pay enough (regardless of the rumors you hear). Ex-pilots take jobs a Boeing and Lockheed for $160,000/yr starting.


24 posted on 07/29/2011 10:52:31 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: grobdriver

No, the nose gear was not collapsed when it hit the grass. The article is wrong. The picture sequence clearly shows an intact NLG, which collapsed AFTER going onto the soft grass.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 11:02:12 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: wrench
Since it is only a 3.5 hr drive for me, I don't need to take the risk. Admittedly, though, this F16 pilot should be competent enough to land on a, what, 7000' -ish runway? He was just not paying attention.

Have you seen this video? Evidently their ATCs are not brilliant, although what can you expect when they work for the government.

26 posted on 07/29/2011 11:11:01 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
No, the nose gear was not collapsed when it hit the grass. The article is wrong.

The article wasn't wrong, just poorly worded. I took the sentence to mean "when the nose gear hit the grass, it collapsed."

27 posted on 07/29/2011 2:13:23 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: wrench
Look at the slide show, he did go to full power after leaving the runway, had full up elevator as well, he (or she) was trying to power out of it.

Picture 10:

And picture 11:

Note the lack of flames coming out of the aircraft in picture 10. The aircraft was not in afterburner when it departed the runway. What you see in the slide show is debris being sucked through the engine.

As reference, this is what an F-16 in full afterburner looks like:


28 posted on 07/29/2011 2:20:54 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Puppage

If he used his AMEX card to rent the plane, AMEX will pay for any damages.


29 posted on 07/29/2011 2:36:07 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: wrench

No, the nozzle setting is a bit counterintuitive. The nozzle is pretty open, which implies low throttle setting. If the nozzle were closed small, that would mean high power. When departing the runway, the pilot is supposed to chop the engine to minimize FOD damage. It looks like he/she did here.


30 posted on 07/29/2011 4:38:06 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Yo-Yo

It appears the engine is spooling up between pic 10 and pic 11. Not in AB, but not at idle either.

It is a multi-million dollar screw up, pilot error.


31 posted on 07/29/2011 6:11:02 PM PDT by wrench
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: wrench
It appears the engine is spooling up between pic 10 and pic 11. Not in AB, but not at idle either.

In the amount of time that elapsed between pic 10 and 11, a turbine engine cannot spool up very much. When it start sucking in prime Wisconson turf, however, it can spool down rather quickly (and permanently...)

32 posted on 07/29/2011 7:03:00 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: OrioleFan

>> He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

Presumably while on the runway. Too much weight on the nose while landing?


33 posted on 07/29/2011 7:06:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Gene Eric
>> He said the front landing gear of the F-16 may have broken.

Presumably while on the runway. Too much weight on the nose while landing?

Nope. The landing gear collapsed after the aircraft ran off the end of the runway and hit very soft rain soaked ground and sunk in.

34 posted on 07/30/2011 9:10:57 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: wrench

That is interesting, I didn’t see that before. With the deceleration and gear collapsing, maybe the pilot hit the throttle with his hand or arm while being thrown forward, because the nozzle does close down between 10 and 11. Just a thought.


35 posted on 07/30/2011 10:37:52 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: All

Here it is on You-Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUei3kAcl9s&feature=related

Latest word is that the pilot landed long (like halfway down the runway). I can’t confirm that, but here’s 2 things that I saw: 1. No speed brakes deployed. 2. Pilot didn’t use full aft stick on rollout. This guy was having a bad day.


36 posted on 07/30/2011 10:43:50 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

The runway the pilot landed on (36L) is 8002’ long. It appeared to be a dry surface, so that’s plenty of concrete to stop on. It looks like he/she landed long. I’m surprised the USAF did not install an aircraft arresting system at the airport. They usually do this for airshows at airfields that don’t have them. Would have saved the day if one was installed.


37 posted on 08/02/2011 5:23:02 PM PDT by NYFreeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson