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Allen West on Debt deal (Twitter)
Twitter ^ | 07.31.11 @ 10:15

Posted on 07/31/2011 7:38:56 PM PDT by Perdogg

"Before conservatives go criticising this agreement consider what would have happened if Pelosi, Reid and Obama were still in control."


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1 posted on 07/31/2011 7:38:59 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

bump.


2 posted on 07/31/2011 7:40:12 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Perdogg

this bill doesn’t deserve to be passed.


3 posted on 07/31/2011 7:40:21 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: Perdogg

With all due respect, Mr. West — from what I’ve seen of this latest cave-in, Pelosi Reid and Obama ARE still in control.


4 posted on 07/31/2011 7:41:19 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: The Wizard

Insert Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

So what.

The deal still is no good.


5 posted on 07/31/2011 7:41:23 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nervous Tick

bahhahahahahahahahahhaha

good one


6 posted on 07/31/2011 7:41:57 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nervous Tick

You nailed it!


7 posted on 07/31/2011 7:42:02 PM PDT by halo66
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To: Perdogg

This Allen West?

Rep. Allen West Slams Tea Party “Schizophrenia”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/29/rep_allen_west_slams_tea_party_schizophrenia.html


8 posted on 07/31/2011 7:42:31 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Nervous Tick

you should go tweet that to him if you have a twitter account.


9 posted on 07/31/2011 7:43:12 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Perdogg

But, Mr. West, I expect the GOP-controlled House to completely force the Senate and president to do everything we want.

So say I from behind my keyboard.


10 posted on 07/31/2011 7:43:53 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Perdogg

So now congressman vote based on “Well, it is not as bad as...”

What happened to integrity?


11 posted on 07/31/2011 7:44:55 PM PDT by born2bfree
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To: Perdogg

I am all for coming up with a reasonable bill that can get through the senate, but that is disappointing. The Republicans allowed this to get way too complex. It needed to be a simple cuts in exchange for limit increase. This whole process of committees, and triggers should have been nixed.


12 posted on 07/31/2011 7:45:03 PM PDT by ilgipper (political rhetoric is no substitute for competence (Thomas Sowell))
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To: Perdogg

So we’ll send you up the river in a bot with a 50 horse motor instead of one with dual 100 horse motors... or - it’s just a slower screw-over.


13 posted on 07/31/2011 7:45:55 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: born2bfree

Please, Mr West has integrity. It doesn’t mean we always agree with him, but he does have integrity.


14 posted on 07/31/2011 7:47:25 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: born2bfree

>> So now congressman vote based on “Well, it is not as bad as...” What happened to integrity?

“congressmen” and “integrity” are very, very rarely found together within the same bag of skin.


15 posted on 07/31/2011 7:51:42 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Perdogg

Sorry, Mr. West—not good enough.


16 posted on 07/31/2011 7:52:34 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The democRATS—just doing the groundwork for al Qaeda?)
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To: Nervous Tick

Remember this is 3 strikes and your out. They had the keept the Bush Tax rates fight last Dec, the Continuing Resolution this Spring and now this and they’ve cut about $5 billion out of a $3.7 Trillion Budget. Total Failures when there is a GAO report that says there is nearly $200 billion in duplication every year.


17 posted on 07/31/2011 7:52:58 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Perdogg

There is nothing good in this deal.

Deep cuts in defense and medicare if the Congress refuses the SuperCongress recommendations (to raise taxes obviously)??

No more debt ceiling until AFTER the election.

No real spending cuts.

None of this is good for our side, how is this a compromise?


18 posted on 07/31/2011 7:53:49 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: VanDeKoik
But, Mr. West, I expect the GOP-controlled House to completely force the Senate and president to do everything we want. So say I from behind my keyboard.

What about the GOP-controlled House holding out for what the people of this country want?

What about the GOP-controlled House criticizing the Democrats and Obama instead of criticizing the Tea Party folks?

What about the GOP-controlled House describing the deal for what it is, dangerous to the future of our country, instead of slapping themselves on the back?

19 posted on 07/31/2011 7:54:22 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Steelers6

So, you running for Congress?


20 posted on 07/31/2011 7:55:27 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: FreeReign

What about that pesky fact that we dont control the Senate and WH?

Now you detail to me how you would get it done, because all of these drama queens here on FR never seemed to detail how that was going to happen.


21 posted on 07/31/2011 7:57:58 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Perdogg

During all this, I am reminded of President George Herbert Walker Bush and his “deal” with the democRATs. He sigend a tax increase expecting democRATs to live up to their part of the bargain (cap spending). Once the tax increase was signed, the democRATs lifted the caps. Republicans are about to get snookered again.


22 posted on 07/31/2011 8:05:01 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: Perdogg

During all this, I am reminded of President George Herbert Walker Bush and his “deal” with the democRATs. He signed a tax increase expecting democRATs to live up to their part of the bargain (cap spending). Once the tax increase was signed, the democRATs lifted the caps. Republicans are about to get snookered again.


23 posted on 07/31/2011 8:05:36 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15.)
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To: jimbo123

The speed in which he appears to have caved, from swearing in, to this, is just short of stunning. Seriously, somebody must have hijacked his Twitter account (and I dont mean Rep. Weiner-like)....


24 posted on 07/31/2011 8:07:34 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain should increase security as Islamists would "fatwah" him for telling the truth on them.)
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To: VanDeKoik

This used to be an uplifting place to come to but lately it’s full of the most defeatest, negative, pessimistic thinking people around. It’s very depressing. To a lot of posters here the glass is not only not half full it doesn’t even have a drop in it. I think some of them are so used to getting outsmarted that they just can’t see that we won this one.

I still say this is a good deal that Republicans got considering we only have 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. The only thing Obama got that he wanted was to extend it past the next election. Frankly I also think that is in our favor because he will continue to screw up the economy so bad that unless we do something stupid we have an excellent chance to take both the senate and the white house and then we can really do some serious cutting. And by doing something stupid I mean having conservatives sit out the next election because they are to busy sitting at home pouting and sulking that we didn’t cut 10 trillion dollars up front.


25 posted on 07/31/2011 8:09:38 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: Perdogg

Duh. They still are in control. You just don’t get it, allen. No new spending. Live within our means. Ya just gave the Dems a bunch of money to spend.


26 posted on 07/31/2011 8:11:34 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Perdogg

I thought they were in control.


27 posted on 07/31/2011 8:12:07 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didnÂ’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: FreeReign

The lib’s rewards are immediate, tangible, quantifiable, and not subject to any further action by any other group or individual.

The Conservative’s rewards are some time in the future, in terms to be decided later, by people equally divided in world-view as they are now, and completely impossible to quantify.

And the law says that when two equally powerful forces that can block legislation are at odds, the conservatives must always yield, because they are always the ones which care about the possible effects of a broken deal.

The libs need not compromise, because it is not the “deal” that they are after, it is the chaos.

In what way is this deal different from when the libs held both houses?

Are there any specifics we can point to?

A pox on them all, if they support this.

They need to realize that the end of the world is not nigh, and the chaos needs to happen to bring peace. God bless the Tea Partiers, hobbits one and all.


28 posted on 07/31/2011 8:21:13 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
I still say this is a good deal that Republicans got considering we only have 1/2 of 1/3 of the government.

Saying that we have 1/2 of 1/3 of government is Boehner misinformation.

The Republicans actually have 1/3 of government.

One can say that we have 1/3 of government, since we control the House.

Or one can say that we have 1/3 of government, since we control ~~ 1/2 the House and ~~1/2 the Senate.

29 posted on 07/31/2011 8:26:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Perdogg
consider what would have happened if Pelosi, Reid and Obama were still in control

SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE.
30 posted on 07/31/2011 8:30:39 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: VanDeKoik
What about the GOP-controlled House holding out for what the people of this country want?

What about the GOP-controlled House criticizing the Democrats and Obama instead of criticizing the Tea Party folks?

What about the GOP-controlled House describing the deal for what it is, dangerous to the future of our country, instead of slapping themselves on the back?

What about that pesky fact that we dont control the Senate and WH? Now you detail to me how you would get it done, because all of these drama queens here on FR never seemed to detail how that was going to happen.

You didn't answer the questions that I asked you. Answer the questions.

31 posted on 07/31/2011 8:35:04 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Well actually aren’t there 3 branchs of government? Legislative, Executive and Judicial? We control 1/2 of the legislative branch, or, 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. What am I missing?


32 posted on 07/31/2011 8:36:10 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: VanDeKoik
What about that pesky fact that we dont control the Senate and WH? Now you detail to me how you would get it done, because all of these drama queens here on FR never seemed to detail how that was going to happen.

But what we DO control is the House of Representatives -- the one body with a veto-proof stranglehold on federal spending. All spending bills must originate in the House, period. While the Senate may reject a House bill and the President may the veto a bill passed by both houses, not a penny can be appropriated unless it was first authorized by the House.

But let's say those scary, mean Senators reject the House budget... So what? The Senate can't originate its own version -- so if the Senate won't ultimately go along, nothing gets appropriated. And let's say the big, bad President vetoes a bill passed by both houses. So what? He can't spend what hasn't been appropriated. While the President may veto a bill, he cannot veto the absence of a bill -- so if the House fails to appropriate funds in the first place, the President can't do a damned thing about it.

The House of Representatives holds the ultimate power of the purse. The simple problem is that GOP "leaders" lack the courage to wield that power as the Founders designed it. We have chosen poorly, and we are about to suffer terribly for our poor choices...

33 posted on 07/31/2011 8:37:51 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Well actually aren’t there 3 branchs of government? Legislative, Executive and Judicial? We control 1/2 of the legislative branch, or, 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. What am I missing?

Yikes. Yup.

So why does Boehner bring up the Judicial Branch? Isn't that irrelevant when it comes to passing a budget?

Isn't it more accurate to describe the Republican control of the budget process as being ~1/3?

34 posted on 07/31/2011 8:41:05 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: jimbo123
i don't like it but Allen West was not elected until 2010 along with a few others.

In 2006 the voters went to the polls and decided to put a majority in Congress. In 2008 they again went to the polls and along with the Democrats they decided that they wanted an American hater and in all probability a muslim and socialistts to preside over them. Shit such as this is the result.

Stupid actions result in disasterous consequences.

I believe it is Thomas Jefferson that is credited with te saying,"You don't always get the Government you want, but, you always get the Government you deserve." As evidenced by the results of the 2008 election, this describes us to a tee.

The free ride is drawing to a close as the wheels are coming off the gravytrain.

My advice to anyone who lives where there is a large population of restless natives is to leave. You may have to leave withjust the shirt on your back, but at least you will have your ass and life. Remain and you will lose both of them. Advice along these lines was given to a segment of the population of a European Country in the early 1030's it was largely ignored and history attests to the results.

35 posted on 07/31/2011 8:41:35 PM PDT by sport
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To: Perdogg

what would happen?

umm... they’d spend $100 billion more each year in addition to the $4.4 trillion you’ve agreed to?

umm... thanks?


36 posted on 07/31/2011 8:41:42 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Always A Marine; VanDeKoik
The House of Representatives holds the ultimate power of the purse. The simple problem is that GOP "leaders" lack the courage to wield that power as the Founders designed it. We have chosen poorly, and we are about to suffer terribly for our poor choices...

AA Marine, you must be one of those "drama queens" that VDK was talking about.;)

37 posted on 07/31/2011 8:46:27 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

That’s fair. I don’t think of the judicial branch as being a part of the budget process either but technically people that say that are correct. I’m not a huge Boehner fan, I would have preferred one of the younger members be the speaker, but they aren’t. I’m just trying to decide in my own mind the best way to ultimately achieve what we all want, that being to cut spending in a permanent, responsible way. And in my mind the best way to do that is to win the senate and the white house in 2012 and I think the best way to do that is by taking what we can get now and after the elections of 2012 make the major changes we want. Others have different thoughts but all the threats of sitting out elections and name calling to me are not productive to our side in the long run. That’s just me.


38 posted on 07/31/2011 8:47:31 PM PDT by WatchOutForSnakes
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To: jimbo123

He was our hero because he had principles. Mine haven’t changed. Who’s the real schizophrenic?


39 posted on 07/31/2011 8:52:01 PM PDT by lara
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To: Perdogg

"Before conservatives go criticising this agreement consider what would have happened if Pelosi, Reid and Obama were still in control."

Let's see ... with permission to borrow another 2.8 trillion dollars (debt passed on to the tax payers), about the same, I'd guess.


40 posted on 07/31/2011 8:53:54 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Perdogg

This proposed deal is an acceptable “START”. Unless we win control of senate & WH, we can’t dictate the terms with just control of House. So I will work hard on 2012 elections helping Tea Party candidates.

Default is not an acceptable option either. So this was perhaps the best deal possible.


41 posted on 07/31/2011 9:04:06 PM PDT by repub4ever1 (Capitalism is not perfect, but it beats all other systems hands down.)
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To: ilgipper
This whole process of committees, and triggers should have been nixed.

No, that's what Obama wanted. He didn't want a 2-tier arrangement.

However, this keeps the debate over spending going. And entitlements will be in the discussion now...Obama's worst nightmare. His support is imploding.

42 posted on 07/31/2011 9:09:16 PM PDT by Justice
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To: Perdogg

Unless we let them win they... uh, win.


43 posted on 07/31/2011 9:09:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: VanDeKoik
What about that pesky fact that we dont control the Senate and WH? Now you detail to me how you would get it done, because all of these drama queens here on FR never seemed to detail how that was going to happen.

A pretty stupid question. The way I would do it if I had control of the House is not cave in, and if the Senate and WH were interested, they could cave in to my demands. The other option would be default which is a good thing.

44 posted on 07/31/2011 9:11:03 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: VanDeKoik

Seem WE is being attacked in very personal terms by the leadership of the Republican party.

Now you detail to me why I should trust them.


45 posted on 07/31/2011 9:13:38 PM PDT by DManA
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
Gopher leadership also suspects that if the fake ‘default’ occurred the rats and the media whores would spin up the damnedest ‘rarity show’ ever staged. Irregardless of any objective rules or conditions Social Security, SSI, VA disability, Medicaid subsidized student lunch payments would all be disrupted and every news cast would show a procession of the feeble, lame, destitute, sick, old, deranged, poor, that would recite their carefully scripted tale of woe and misery due to Republican cruelty. At the same time Little Timmy Geitner would unleash his host of trolls screaming about the end end of the world the evil Repugpbs were bringing to the economy. Enough screaming plus some pre scripted maneuvers by the cognoscenti to tank the dollar and send the markets into free fall would do the trick. The rats would get a bill with $4T in deficit spending plus many new taxes on the evil rich and the GOP would be branded as the people who made the Great Recession much worse and stifled the ‘recovery’ we are currently enjoying. Endgame BO is reelected and the rats don't lose the Senate and the GOP loses a number of House seats in 2012. This deal sucks but it averts a much worse outcome. Only besting BO and getting the Senate will give us a shot at real deficit reduction and a chance to drink government.
46 posted on 07/31/2011 9:14:00 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: repub4ever1
Default is not an acceptable option either.

Says who? Default is a fantastic option. Only those who hold US T-bills and bonds are affected. The dollar goes down on a sell off but its true value depends on how much is printed. So it cannot go below its true value unless they keep printing more dollars which is what they have to do now to meet the spending expenses. Default is the BEST option for us.

47 posted on 07/31/2011 9:14:26 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Always A Marine
We don't control jack!

Of the 242 Republican members of the House about 83 are Republican freshman and about a third of those (27 or so) identify with the Tea Party.

The career politicians (both sides of the aisle) who are "in control" are more interested in maintaining the status quo and keeping their positions and power. They are counting on the American people to once again forget about our grim reality by the next election. We never seem to disappoint. Most don't even realize that the "savings" they are talking about are merely reductions in the spending increases that are already in place. We are still slouching toward Greece.

But back to my original point, we don't control anything and you can't expect the "tea party freshman" to force anything. There are victories here for them. They greatly influenced the debate and we were heard. They were a giant pain in the ass for Boehner.

What we must do is stay engaged, find more candidates to oppose the status quo incumbents and increase our numbers. Once we've increased our numbers and taken both houses we need to force leadership changes. The Old Guard has got to go. Only then (and with a conservative President) will things begin to change.

That's my opinion.

48 posted on 07/31/2011 9:17:17 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: repub4ever1
Default is not an acceptable option either. So this was perhaps the best deal possible.

Default was NEVER an option, repub4ever1. Just because you don't have enough money to pay for everything you want doesn't mean you can't or won't pay your mortgage. You still pay your debts, but you skip vacations and eating out.

The GOP lost this battle when its "leaders" fell into the Democrat trap by appearing desperate to avoid a "default." Once we've ceded the terms and the language, our doom is sealed...

49 posted on 07/31/2011 9:18:53 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: WatchOutForSnakes
And in my mind the best way to do that is to win the senate and the white house in 2012 and I think the best way to do that is by taking what we can get now and after the elections of 2012 make the major changes we want.

Well there are two strategies the Republicans could follow.

1) They could play hardball, use their power to control the purse strings in the House, and rally the public now.

Or...

2) They could take a very weak deal now and plan on doing much more if they take control of the House, Senate and the Presidency in 2012.

The problem is that in order for strategy number 2 to work, Boehner and Republicans need to rally the Tea Party folks and they need to communicate the truth to the middle-of-the-road folks, so that the Republicans can do well in the next election cycle.

That's where I think Boehner isn't up to the task. He will anger the Tea Party folks and he will mislead the middle-of-the-road folks by not telling the truth about the deal.

The deal continues our countries march toward the cliff.

50 posted on 07/31/2011 9:20:44 PM PDT by FreeReign
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