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So, I really don't understand please explain.
Me ^ | 8/5/2011 | Me

Posted on 08/05/2011 7:04:14 AM PDT by mikelets456

I don't mean this as derogatory or to start a negative debate but there is something I have noticed over the last year and I am more curious than anything.

In my area I have noticed an abundance increase in the black culture.When I go to Pizza parlors, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, Lowes, Ruby Tuesdays,Pei Wei, Furniture stores, etc. We live about 20 miles outside of Philadelphia and until two years ago you would see very, very few black people at any of these places now it is about 1/3 or more. Now sporting Mercedes', Lexus' and Hummers.

Like I said, I am more curious than anything and wondering why (all of the sudden)....more curious than anything. Anyone know? Like i said i am more perplexed than anything...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: black; more; people

1 posted on 08/05/2011 7:04:17 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

I’ve noticed the same thing in my area too. Oregon.

I guessed it was the masses leaving the hell hole known as Detriot, the south after Katrina, LA because there are no jobs, ect. Most all seem to be nice looking family types, a few look a little skecthy. But I guess that is a cross section of America anyway, isn’t it.


2 posted on 08/05/2011 7:09:14 AM PDT by enraged
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To: mikelets456

Is English your first language?


3 posted on 08/05/2011 7:10:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: mikelets456
It's “black flight”. Contrary to what the media would have you believe, successful blacks have little more desire to remain in the “ghetto culture” of the inner city ‘hoods than anybody else. So many blacks that get a college degree and find success flee to the suburbs the first chance they get. The dirty little secret is, they also become more conservative (they don't like the government taking their money either). In fact, they made up much of the 5% or so of blacks that didn't vote for Obama.
4 posted on 08/05/2011 7:12:50 AM PDT by apillar
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To: mikelets456

Are you speaking of Blacks (Like physical people) or black culture?

And you are around Philly?

Why wouldn’t middle class, working families of any race want to get out of that hell-hole?

And I don’t know about where you are from, but around MA when you see a person driving a hummer it is usually a rich white idiot who thinks they will survive the revolution because they can go through a mud puddle.

Hummers and Lexus are not “black culture.”

In terms of Pop culture, white America has been turning to “black culture” since the jazz days. Nothing new there.


5 posted on 08/05/2011 7:13:58 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I can't think of anything clever, so I'll just say, "Obama sucks.")
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To: mikelets456

Migration? All peoples are constantly moving. They look for better locales than their current one.


6 posted on 08/05/2011 7:15:49 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: mikelets456

Sell everything and run!!!!!!!


7 posted on 08/05/2011 7:16:55 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: mikelets456
until two years ago you would see very, very few black people at any of these places now it is about 1/3 or more.
Section 8 recipients - now invading the areas where they normally couldn't afford to live.

8 posted on 08/05/2011 7:17:43 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Tax-chick

lol!


9 posted on 08/05/2011 7:17:55 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: mikelets456

Funny, I’ve worked in Atlanta for ten years now and have noticed any.


10 posted on 08/05/2011 7:20:13 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: mikelets456
Remember the sub-prime mortgage crisis? You're seeing the social engineering side of it.

Been to the Poconos lately? It's way more than 1/3.

11 posted on 08/05/2011 7:24:47 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Tax-chick

Trying to explain my “concern” in a constructive way (without sounding racist) I rambled on in a “round about” fashion. Your criticism of me is understandable....


12 posted on 08/05/2011 7:28:11 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

With all seriousness, look at the recent report that shows a disparity in wealth and you’ll understand. Value is not put on saving or growing wealth but instead just the moment. I have many friends like these. They have decent jobs but they don’t save, they don’t grow wealth, they don’t continue their education. Instead they spend it all on their cars or socializing. Certain demographics have been targeted by politicians for decades, telling them they don’t need to do what they need to succeed and grow wealth, but instead, to be dependent on big brother. Groups who thrive on this dependency are constantly feeding these groups the lie that they are best off if they are dependent. They go to churches and help people how to get on Lone Star cards, get housing paid for, and a lot of other benefits- even if they don’t need them. I see one couple who I know probably makes $100K between them using a Lone Star card at the grocery. It seems in their community and church, they have a little game where the families who make more money buy these cards from the poorer families.

It is all a cycle of dependency and backwards values designed to keep people, frankly, enslaved to the system.


13 posted on 08/05/2011 7:29:11 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mikelets456

Well, if you’re a native speaker of another language, your post could be considered relatively coherent, in that we could tell what the point was. If English is your native language, it’s a serious garble, with incorrect usage, poor punctuation, and inadequate organization.

To address your topic, I have not personally observed the phenomena you’ve described, probably because I spend most of my time at home. However, I’ve read a lot on FR!


14 posted on 08/05/2011 7:31:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: mikelets456

Three reasons I can think of:

First; Gresham’s law. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate between candidates for hire based on practical criteria, so they hire the least expensive candidate. “The good currency is removed from the market”, and replaced by “bad currency”.

Second; all the money being poured into the economy by the government — tax money, and printed money — is poured in through the welfare class, and has given it power in the market. Businesses cater to this government money. When you see an advertisement, it is not aimed at you, it is aimed at welfare recipients who have a pocket full of government money.

And third; since everyone is in debt, why can’t everyone drive around in an SUV?


15 posted on 08/05/2011 7:33:07 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: mikelets456
I agree with #4.
16 posted on 08/05/2011 7:34:40 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: apillar

They are refugees in search of safety.


17 posted on 08/05/2011 7:34:49 AM PDT by Broker (Mabuhay!)
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To: mikelets456

Now sporting Mercedes’, Lexus’ and Hummers. Most drug dealers drive high end cars.The drug business is expanding now that Obama&Co. put so many out of work and homes.
Expected


18 posted on 08/05/2011 7:35:48 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: mikelets456
I'm wondering if it could be due to stimulus funds.

Those funds went largely to the inner cities if I'm not mistaken.

Some are talking about ghetto-flight and that's true...people want to leave the ghettos for the suburbs as soon as they can. But, if it is ghetto-flight, where would ghetto people get the werewithal to leave in the middle of a recession? Perhaps through Gov't handouts which favor the Dems' favorite constituents and keep the rest of America down.

19 posted on 08/05/2011 7:38:33 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: mikelets456

They got their ‘obama stash’? From districts that don’t exist?


20 posted on 08/05/2011 7:42:05 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Freddd

Or their Pigford II Reparation money?


21 posted on 08/05/2011 7:42:50 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Born to Conserve

Your second reason has me intrigued and this would be my guess. There were a few sound clips with black woman saying “now I don’t have to worry about mortgage and car payments..” and another very popular sound clip where a woman claims she is getting “free cash” and that is why she voted for Obama.

If this is the case then I my money back. However, if it is simply people working hard and getting out more, then I tip my hat.


22 posted on 08/05/2011 7:45:42 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

People don’t realize that there is a growing black middle class. As more blacks acquire advanced education, they have the resources to move into suburban areas and buy upscale cars and nice houses.

In addition, buying a fancy car has a bit more caché in the black community than in the general white population. Oh, of course everybody likes to have a beautiful car—it’s a mobile advertisement of your success—but some studies show that in groups that are just beginning to acquire money, like the black middle class, more emphasis is placed on buying new clothes and cars than on housing.


23 posted on 08/05/2011 7:47:25 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: mikelets456

Here in Newport News, VA, I have seen the opposite. The black culture was on the rise in the ‘90s and 2000s, but now it is reversing course and becoming more segregated again.


24 posted on 08/05/2011 7:48:52 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: mikelets456

Another case of black families leaving the cities is in Dallas, Texas. Black families are leaving because the schools are becoming more and more Mexican. Classes are taught in Spanish.

My old high school went from about 3/4 white and 1/4 other races is now 80% hispanic. 1/2 of the classes are taught in Spanish. The graduation rate at that school is 22%.
The parents who want their kids to get an education left for the burbs or home school.


25 posted on 08/05/2011 7:49:59 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: mikelets456

Simple,Stimulus/Money/Reparations in action,nothing to see here,just go into any State or Federal office also.


26 posted on 08/05/2011 7:52:44 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: smokingfrog

I hope it is post #4.


27 posted on 08/05/2011 7:56:32 AM PDT by willk
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To: mikelets456

Don’t you know you can’t discuss race in America without automatically being a racist, if you are white?

Where have you been? :)


28 posted on 08/05/2011 8:03:50 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: mikelets456
In my experience, blacks are moving (for short periods) into historically white hoods. And by short periods, I mean very short.

I frequent a certain movie theater. It's in a ritzy neighborhood of NYC. No minorities live there. None. Years ago, nobody really went to this theater. At least not to the movies I'd go there to see. Recently, I have noticed minorities traveling down to this theater. The same thing may be happening to your shopping centers. They are more mobile and they are traveling out to better stores.

Now, I don't really care who sits in a movie theater with me. The thing is, THEY WILL NOT STOP TALKING THROUGH THE ENTIRE MOVIE! I, unlike other patrons, will turn around and shush them. But then again, I carry.

29 posted on 08/05/2011 8:04:46 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Texas resident

I have noticed that blacks love new developments and McMansions and not older houses. The best neighborhoods in my town are older and well established along the James River, which is probably why I haven’t seen it. The middle class blacks tend to move to the McMansions in Yorktown and Williamsburg when leaving the inner city. I don’t think there is a single black family in my neighborhood or any surrounding neighborhoods, not even renting.


30 posted on 08/05/2011 8:10:41 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: oh8eleven
Well, I was going to stay out of this one....just because it looked like it could go south quickly. However, when I read your comment about Section 8 recipients....I don't know if I'd use the term invading (though I do understand why you did)...but this is something that is happening in the Phoenix metro area. I mention it, because it does explain how a certain area...mainly blue collar/lower middle class traditionally white areas...gains a great deal of minority residents in a short period of time.

There is a town called Maricopa about 30 miles south of Phx. It is an ex-urb. When the dopey real estate market was on fire...This little patch of desert was developed to the HILT. Pretty much in the middle of nowhere...1 road in and out—brand new, poorly constructed, but fancy looking LARGE houses on tiny lots. I'm sure most of you have seen these bizarre little towns pop up outside a large metro area.

I checked out the area because the ratty NY Times did a hatchet job on it, a story about how horrid these exurbs are. So, I took the 1 hour plus drive from my house in NE Scottsdale to give it a look and have lunch. It was as I expected, nice people, tons of kids, odd fake-fancy subdivisions...ALL WHITE. This was 3 years ago...the end of the boom.

I recently went back, just driving through from a visit to Tucson...kind of went out of my way to check it out. It is not all white now. I'd say (and I did a bit of looking to get an idea) that over 20% is now black. I could be off...I could be mistaken...this was just observation. Driving through the sub divisions there were plenty of abandoned houses with old Forclosure/Bank Owned signs in their neglected yards. I was so interested, I asked a friend of mine who is in real estate. She explained that this was a direct result of the gvt’s Section 8 program.

Sometimes things just are. Section 8 housing usually really screws up an area. The people are usually not good at keeping the property up. Black or white, recipients of Section 8, are not exactly what you are hoping for in your area.

31 posted on 08/05/2011 8:16:00 AM PDT by Pigsley
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To: thefactor

You carry in NYC?


32 posted on 08/05/2011 8:30:45 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Pigsley
There is a town called Maricopa about 30 miles south of Phx.
Sheriff Joe country!
I've lived in a suburb of Rochester, NY for over 40 years, which has probably been 97% white for most of that time.
The "demographics" have changed drastically in the last 5 to 7 years and not coincidentally, an increase in neighborhood crime, trouble in schools, police calls to the mall, flash mobs etc.
The problem is not a color issue - it's a cultural issue. No matter where they live, they still live by their "inner-city values." NOT welcome.
33 posted on 08/05/2011 8:33:04 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: mikelets456

Based on no data -

One societal change is the drop in housing prices.

Many smart folks may have taken this as an opportunity to leave black neighborhoods -

Second possibility - all it takes is a few new developments, or section 8 rulings, or whatever - to bring a lot of different people to a region.

I would love to see demographics on Hummer sales - rich libtards are the only ones I know with them.

Oh - one other thing - “fancy cars” - you know - after about 50,000 miles - market treats them like used cars. Do a Craigslist search on “BMW 540” - awesome/world beater car. 8 years old = $8K used car. Considering Hummer mileage - they might be free. Or - Range Rover - is awesomely cheap - compared to list.


34 posted on 08/05/2011 8:33:33 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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I don’t care where blacks choose to live but if some think they’re going to bring that ghetto culture, out of the ghetto, they have a lot to learn.

And yes that includes that jive turkey playing rap music in the White House.

Welcome to western civilization. Now behave.


35 posted on 08/05/2011 8:40:09 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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and let me add...now get to work like the rest of us.


36 posted on 08/05/2011 8:43:36 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: mikelets456

A couple other posters already mentioned it but, yeah, it’s probably section 8 subsidized housing residents. There are a lot of vacant homes in the suburban areas, and we are going to see more and more of them rented out to section 8 tenants, so that the banks can get the government to pay the mortgage.

There is also “black flight”, like one poster said, but usually they are moving into “upper class” black communities and not into mainly white ones. At least, that’s the way it works where I live. I am also leaning towards them being section 8 tenants because you mentioned them driving Hummers and Lexuses. In my experience, about 80% of black subsidized housing residents drive very expensive cars, because they take advantage of loopholes in the system, like not counting the value of a personal automobile when calculating household assets.


37 posted on 08/05/2011 8:54:26 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: mikelets456

Katrina.


38 posted on 08/05/2011 8:58:18 AM PDT by hope
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To: Boogieman
In my experience, about 80% of black subsidized housing residents drive very expensive cars, because they take advantage of loopholes in the system, like not counting the value of a personal automobile when calculating household assets.

Agreed. And when you're driving through even really nice section 8 housing like Baltimore has and you see the luxury cars, better than yours, it'll make you angry.
39 posted on 08/05/2011 9:00:10 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Vision
Yeah. Every day. (But I'm a cop so don't think for a second that we have relaxed our archaic, ridiculous, stupid gun laws for the 'regular citizen.')

The only ones who carry here are cops and criminals. And a few rich people with access.

40 posted on 08/05/2011 9:05:39 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: mikelets456

There is nothing at all wrong with the way you expressed yourself. Criticism not warranted. (FR is a friendly place; it’s usually DU where critics abound, and malignant vulgarity.)


41 posted on 08/05/2011 9:05:39 AM PDT by Twinkie (Is Obama using the Cloward-Piven Strategy?!? Yea or Nay?)
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To: mikelets456

What kind of black people are you talking about? If you’re freaked out by my 70 year old mother in law (yes, she owns a Lexus SUV) quietly going to Ruby Tuesdays in the burbs with her church group I don’t know what to say to you but if you’re noticing gang bangers prowling the Trader Joes then your area might have a problem. I’d chalk this up to population movement. Philadelphia is such a horrible place of course decent people of all races are moving out.


42 posted on 08/05/2011 9:21:04 AM PDT by stellaluna
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To: mikelets456
Move to Newtonville,NJ and start a White culture thang. Seriously,who's going to buy all that bling,$300 sneakers and chicken wings?
43 posted on 08/05/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (I've been dipping into my jar full of Hope & Change just to buy gas!!)
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To: mikelets456

It’s corporate. The Black diversity tribal culture is “in” to them since we have a homie in the white house.


44 posted on 08/05/2011 12:46:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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