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The War On Drugs
Self ^ | August 4 2011 | He Rides A White Horse

Posted on 08/05/2011 3:16:16 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse

I rarely post an article, even more rare that I post a vanity. I feel that this is a topic that involves everybody, both pro and against. I have a few thoughts of my own, but I would also like to hear from heads and tails. Law enforcement, if they wish, please add your viewpoints; I am certain that you have a unique perspective. I'm hoping that this doesn't turn into a flame war.

I will submit from the start that I do not use drugs. So if anybody wants to issue a blanket statement that states 'If you don't use them, why be afraid if you have nothing to hide.' I regard that statement as analogous to 'if you have nothing to hide, why not submit to your house being search at will." Both statements are totalitaian canards by nature. They are disingenuous at best. Horrific at the worst.

There is something I want to address, a peculiar, non-traditional method that our government imposes, a dictum that seems to be the only solution for any problem that may arise.

Take the Second Amendment for example. Gun control (I often call it 'citizen control'). It appears that our government always addresses the lowest denominator possible. What I mean by this is that we have a relatively small group of people responsible for gun violence. In this scenario, the government responds by abrogating the rights of the many, law abiding citizens who are not guilty of these acts. Another example is the policing of what we eat. Same methodology. Restrictions are imposed on restaurants because a small group of people do not meet the physical 'requirements' that our politicians believe to be ideal.

This creeping type of political ideology is becoming more bold with every passing day. It is an invasion on all levels ranging from repealing 'don't ask, don't tell', to the blatant edicts emanating from Homeland Security. Which brings me to the crux of the matter. What and when is enough?

I will plainly state that I have had enough. How can any person state that we are fighting a War on Drugs and War on Terror with a straight face? We can simply declare that we have no borders and that could be stated with a straight face.

If you cannot (rather will not) find wave upon wave of illegal immigrants, how can you possibly expect to win both wars?

The reason is that such policies are intended for political expediency, and nothing more. Both parties are falling all over themselves to court the potential voting block. So what are they doing?

They are fighting a War on Civilians. Creating more and more alphabet soup agencies that it is mind numbing. This done out of 'sensitivities' so as not to offend Islam, illegal aliens, and other pet liberal groups.

The only people on the losing side in The War on Drugs are the average citizens who favor our disappearing Constitutional Republic. Our rights are being systematically destroyed, the Constitution is being fed into the paper shredder and it will not stop. Again, the question "what and when does it stop?". I for one have had enough. How do you feel?


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1 posted on 08/05/2011 3:16:30 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse

In Lansing Michigan, a “medical” marijuana clinic has been handing out free pot to people who register to vote.

I wonder what would happen if a pharmacist decided to give out oxycontin to people who register to vote.


2 posted on 08/05/2011 3:23:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

So, is what you’re saying is that we should legalize drugs, or just get rid of big government ‘War on Drugs’ agencies that so far made no impact whatsoever?


3 posted on 08/05/2011 3:25:41 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: He Rides A White Horse

There is no war ON drugs. There is only the ‘appearance of a war’.

The appearance is conducted for the mollification of the public, and for an excuse to demand more taxpayer money.

The drug cartels run through a lot of money, in different denominations, which must be converted. The bankers and the politicians are in league with worldwide organized crime and drug trafficking, because of the money.

That is the reason why the border security is as lax as it is. It is to ensure that there is are ‘controlled’ areas where drugs and illegals can pass. By ‘controlled’, I mean controlled by the cartels.

The drug trade is one of the largest contributors to politicians, on both sides of the border.


4 posted on 08/05/2011 3:26:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: cripplecreek
That's why I asked for different points of view. What bothers me is the erosion of our civil liberties under the guise of 'protecting' us.

In Lansing Michigan, a “medical” marijuana clinic has been handing out free pot to people who register to vote.

This is inexcusable.

5 posted on 08/05/2011 3:27:04 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
In Lansing Michigan, a “medical” marijuana clinic has been handing out free pot to people who register to vote.

As if someone stoned would bother to go to a voting place and stand in line.

Of course, if they are democrats, they could probably vote from home or have someone vote for them.

6 posted on 08/05/2011 3:30:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

The War on Murder and Rape has also failed.

Legalize it?

“Medical Marijuana” is a joke. It’s not even treated like medicine in those states. I have never seen a doctor employed by a pharmacy and only paid if he hands out prescriptions for _________. That just violates any idea of ethics in “medicine”.


7 posted on 08/05/2011 3:32:23 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

That pretty much sums up my position as well. It is important to note that once a government organization gains a power from the citizenry, they NEVER voluntarily relinquish it.


8 posted on 08/05/2011 3:32:44 PM PDT by Ronin (Obamanation has replaced Bizarroworld as the most twisted place in the universe.)
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To: RowdyFFC
So, is what you’re saying is that we should legalize drugs, or just get rid of big government ‘War on Drugs’ agencies that so far made no impact whatsoever?

What I am saying is that the war is now a war on law abiding citizens (ie gun control). Look at operation fast and furious. These agencies have no accountability whatsoever. The tip off is the usage of the four letter word 'czar'. Which is derived from the Roman 'Caesar'.

9 posted on 08/05/2011 3:33:46 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: UCANSEE2
The appearance is conducted for the mollification of the public, and for an excuse to demand more taxpayer money.

As I stated, add the excuse for our rapidly erosion of Constitutional rights as well.

10 posted on 08/05/2011 3:36:59 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: Ronin
That pretty much sums up my position as well. It is important to note that once a government organization gains a power from the citizenry, they NEVER voluntarily relinquish it.

They usually end up growing in size.

11 posted on 08/05/2011 3:38:28 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL
The War on Murder and Rape has also failed.

Yes, but only because criminals of this sort often get light sentences.

12 posted on 08/05/2011 3:39:58 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL
The War on Murder and Rape has also failed. Legalize it?

One can stretch any point to an absolute and make it absurd. No one is suggesting legalizing murder or rape, and the analogy to an individual ingesting chemicals of their own free will is unsound.

Oh, drugs are harmful to our bodies? So is McDonalds. Perhaps the government should demand that we only drink purified water and only eat organic vegetables with a bit of protein powder on them? If not, you're letting the corporate drug dealers win.*


* See what I did there?

13 posted on 08/05/2011 3:42:48 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

The purpose of the drug war is to destroy the Constitution. And you are right, the government and politicians make a ton of money off the drug war. The only ones they are “fighting” are their competitors.


14 posted on 08/05/2011 3:43:22 PM PDT by microgood
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To: GeronL

How many times have you read in the newspaper that some child molester finally killed a kid after being released four or five times before? That is the failure.


15 posted on 08/05/2011 3:45:34 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: microgood
The purpose of the drug war is to destroy the Constitution.

This administration is too happy to comply.

16 posted on 08/05/2011 3:48:47 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: microgood

How can one say we are fighting this war with such porous borders? They are simply using it as an excuse to take away our rights. That is what I believe.


17 posted on 08/05/2011 3:52:02 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
The war on drugs is being waged by agents with guns, rather than moms with frying pans. I do not use drugs now, but I most certainly was a recreational user back in the day (pre-career). The market forces of a father's backhand and a requirement to be coherent on the job were all it took for me to dismiss drugs as an unnecessary risk. I support private mechanisms such as employer drug testing (the company's policy choice) over federal intervention. I am ok with state regulation of drug use.

Like your username. How frequently do you ride?? Careful....

18 posted on 08/05/2011 3:52:05 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: He Rides A White Horse

This guy will be released every Monday for 4 months.

yep, failure.


19 posted on 08/05/2011 3:53:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Steel Wolf
do you also think kiddie porn is a good treatment for child molesters?

/sarc

One can stretch any point to an absolute and make it absurd

Thank you, I appreciate the support. :p

20 posted on 08/05/2011 3:57:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Mr. Bird
The market forces of a father's backhand and a requirement to be coherent on the job were all it took for me to dismiss drugs as an unnecessary risk.

An employer has the right to hire whomever they wish to. If you are driving a truck for example, the employer assumes the risk and should be concerned about a loaded driver. I had to think about the horse statement. Never have.

It is the government's tendency to exploit social issues that concerns me the most. That is the problem.

21 posted on 08/05/2011 3:58:45 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I will tell you right now, I am not for legalizing street drugs. This hue and cry is being raised by those already addicted who could care less if our children who have no clue about addiction have the legal ability to buy mind-altering drugs.

Just like alcohol. In the history of our country the mind-altering affects of alcohol caused the many to bang bang shoot ‘em up, and after prohibition failed because the many were already addicted to it, it was once again legalized. And today we have 37% of the deaths in the US thanks to idiots getting in their cars drunker than Cooter Brown. Not only drunk, but also high on wacky weed at the same time.

If you want to get rid of the US DEA, I’m certainly for that. We already have enough fire power on the streets in every city, county and state to uphold the drug laws locally where they are accountable to local citizens.

We already have US customs officials on our borders and shipping yards. Why aren’t they doing their jobs? Perhaps if they were made accountable to local citizens they might do a better job.

As for the Border Patrol, it should be disbanded and our borders protected by US soldiers stationed every 100 miles whose responsibility is to patrol their section to prevent the smuggling of humans and drugs.


22 posted on 08/05/2011 3:58:59 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Documents: Feds allegedly allowed Sinaloa cartel to move cocaine into U.S. for information

Snip - U.S. federal agents allegedly allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to traffic several tons of cocaine into the United States in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to court documents filed in a U.S. federal court. -Snip

Worse than the Gunrunner scandal, the feds have allowed TONS of cocaine into the country (Chicago Area!!!) in exchange for information on rival cartels. This corruption extends to the highest level of our government.

23 posted on 08/05/2011 3:59:27 PM PDT by Species8472 (There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress)
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To: GeronL
This guy will be released every Monday for 4 months.

Violent criminals are those that should be put away. So I'm not soft on crime if that is what you are trying to imply. Some of the sentences I see for the crimes of that nature is a joke.

24 posted on 08/05/2011 4:02:36 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I completely agree. Much like "hate" crimes, those transgressions associated with drugs (other than the underlying possession or distribution crimes currently in existence) are already against the law. I should be able to consume an eight-ball in the privacy of my home without concern. If that consumption results in a crime, away I go. Right now, the illegality of the blow tends to make me commit crimes to acquire more of it.

Much like the famous "now madam we are just haggling about the price" hypothetical about prostitution, with legal alcohol, we are merely haggling about who gets the money.

25 posted on 08/05/2011 4:05:40 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: RowdyFFC
We already have US customs officials on our borders and shipping yards. Why aren’t they doing their jobs? Perhaps if they were made accountable to local citizens they might do a better job.

Border Patrol agents who are handcuffed by the government, and at times have been prosecuted for doing their job.

As for the Border Patrol, it should be disbanded and our borders protected by US soldiers stationed every 100 miles whose responsibility is to patrol their section to prevent the smuggling of humans and drugs.

Don't forget about the wall. (no sarcasm). The problem is that so many illegals are here that politicians only think about getting potentional votes. We get screwed in the process. As always.

26 posted on 08/05/2011 4:09:24 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL
The War on Murder and Rape has also failed.

Where in the Ten Commandments does it mention drug abuse?

27 posted on 08/05/2011 4:09:32 PM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: He Rides A White Horse; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000
In the wake of Ramos and Compean, punished by “my good friend” Johnny Sutton for interfering with Aldrete Davila and the Mexican government, we have Border Patrol Agent JESUS DIAZ.

Welcome to the FreeAgentDiaz.com webpage hosted by the Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council.

LEOAC is the sole entity legally authorized by Jesus and Diana Diaz to represent them. We are the best source of information when it comes to bad government persecutions by way of prosecutions in what we call the "War on Law Enforcement". The Diaz case has continued a pattern that goes back as far as the Clinton Administration.

~

The rule is:

Do not interfere with the drug trade.

Former U.S. Customs Officer JOHN CARMAN was framed and held in Federal prison from Fall 2007 until May 2011. He was a whistleblower on Customs corruption regarding the drug trade:

2007 Letter to House Judiciary re John Carman

The following letter to the House Judiciary Committee was written by an attorney that witnessed the criminal trail by Department of Justice personnel against former U.S. Customs agent John Carman, who had been exposing corruption in upper management through his Internet site, www.customscorruption.com.

~

I sent a fax of this to Senate Judiciary, namely Grassley, after speaking with his staff person at the committee on the eve of its next F & F hearing.

The original was sent to Grassley and others in 2007, apparently without effect.

The border is open for business.

Afghanistan's poppy crop is apparently on the rebound.

The Karzai brother accused of being a CIA tool and a druglord was assassinated.

ATF arms the drug cartels while DEA busts the little meth lab here, the little pot op there.

USG is a Chamber of Commerce for large dealers.

There is just. So much. Money.

A new team in DC could do the Hercules Augean Stables Servicemaster cleaning that town needs.

Toward a drug- and thug-free America.


28 posted on 08/05/2011 4:09:37 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2759201/posts

lol.

You mentioned a child abuser getting out four or five times and killing the child. I got it confused with that story. heh


29 posted on 08/05/2011 4:12:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Mr. Bird
Violent offenders are what concerns me the most. Courts are too lenient with this. I've known people who smoked pot and the ‘Reefer Madness’ simply wasn't there. I don't care too much what people do. Just don't cause me problems. I wouldn't be consuming a eight-ball. My problem is that our Constitutional rights are being stripped from us because they care about our welfare. Yeah right.
30 posted on 08/05/2011 4:16:30 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: Species8472
I'm sure it does. A simple logical statement.

If the government refuses to defend our borders, while at the same time stating that it is fighting a War On Drugs, how can it do so? It doesn't add up. The only people feeling the heat is the citizens of this country being forced to endure our liberties taken and also to put up with the violent crime associated with these illegals. I doubt that our liberal leaders reside in such neighborhoods. It's not their problem. They don't care.

31 posted on 08/05/2011 4:27:05 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL

I don’t post often. I’m not here to win some popularity contest. So say whatever you want to. I don’t care.


32 posted on 08/05/2011 4:29:40 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: PhilDragoo

I knew that I would catch flak on this articles when I posted it. People will slap a label on me for it, “he’s one of them” and I don’t care at all. If they want to flush the Constitution down the toilet, go ahead. They won’t be taking me with them if I can help it. We are a police state, I would suggest a fledgling totalitarian state. A government that essentially has stated through Homeland Security that all conservatives are a terrorist threat. There is nothing funny about that.


33 posted on 08/05/2011 4:39:21 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: Species8472
Snip - U.S. federal agents allegedly allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to traffic several tons of cocaine into the United States in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to court documents filed in a U.S. federal court. -Snip

I don't believe that this is an anomaly.

34 posted on 08/05/2011 4:42:23 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL

Rape and murder aren’t commodities, drugs are. Drugs involve money. get control of the money, you get control of the problem.


35 posted on 08/05/2011 4:43:36 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

“the Sinaloa drug cartel”

Dang! They allowed the shit to sinaloa!


36 posted on 08/05/2011 4:50:45 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Steel Wolf

Wow for a brief second I thought you were channeling MO!


37 posted on 08/05/2011 4:51:30 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: GeronL
One other thing, I don't want to argue.

I have a friend whose daughter is giving her a really hard time. This kid stood up in the school cafeteria and announced that she was going home to smoke pot, and that she had a plant.

Within a short time, the police went to my friends house and upended EVERYTHING in her place. That may have been to the tipping point for me. My friend is straight as an arrow. She was crying and shaking. Coming apart.

Keep in mind that somebody could do the same to you if they don't like you. It's a witch hunt.

38 posted on 08/05/2011 5:03:03 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Customs agents are a whole new agency different from BPA’s. They’re stationed at every port of entry. Way far away from their DC bureaucrats. They need to be made accuntable to local jurisdictions.

There’s not a fence high enough that the rats can chew through, ladder over or dig under. Only armed manpower is going to stop it. Get rid of the BPA’s, the many who have family across the border and replace them with soldiers subject to the USMJS.


39 posted on 08/05/2011 5:04:10 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: He Rides A White Horse

If someone announces to the world that they are going to go home and comit a crime what do you want the cops to do, ignore it?


40 posted on 08/05/2011 5:05:58 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: RowdyFFC
Customs agents are a whole new agency different from BPA’s. They’re stationed at every port of entry. Way far away from their DC bureaucrats. They need to be made accountable to local jurisdictions.

Roger that.

Only armed manpower is going to stop it. Get rid of the BPA’s, the many who have family across the border and replace them with soldiers subject to the USMJS.

I have advocated this position. Politicians won't lift a finger.

My last post is true. They didn't even talk to her. Just left the house in shambles.

41 posted on 08/05/2011 5:08:07 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL
If someone announces to the world that they are going to go home and comit a crime what do you want the cops to do, ignore it?

You have your opinion, I have mine. It takes less than that at times. I made a statement about Homeland Security. Basically anybody who doesn't like Obama is a terrorist. Especially those in the Tea Party. So what is it? Are you a terrorist according to Napolitano, or are you a big Obama fan?

42 posted on 08/05/2011 5:17:37 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Nope. I am a Hobbit.


43 posted on 08/05/2011 5:27:36 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

You know what I’m saying. You know what group you fall into. At least I hope so.


44 posted on 08/05/2011 5:29:11 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: GeronL
Nope. I am a Hobbit.

(The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)

I am in this category as well. Pro-lifers are being harassed in this country. It's almost a crime to be pro-life. Not yet anyway. That's how it starts.

45 posted on 08/05/2011 5:35:11 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I am not a libertarian. It’s not okay for people to use hard drugs and give them to their kids any more than it is to raise your kids as your sex slaves.


46 posted on 08/05/2011 5:36:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL
The War on Murder and Rape has also failed. Legalize it?

Your post is a total canard.

47 posted on 08/05/2011 5:40:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: GeronL
It’s not okay for people to use hard drugs and give them to their kids any more than it is to raise your kids as your sex slaves.

I don't remember advocating this position. I'm not a libertarian either.

48 posted on 08/05/2011 5:42:20 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse (((((unite)))))
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To: He Rides A White Horse

I didn’t say you advocated the position, it was a comparison


49 posted on 08/05/2011 5:44:37 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL; He Rides A White Horse
If someone announces to the world that they are going to go home and comit a crime what do you want the cops to do, ignore it?

in response to:

He Rides A White Horse wrote: I have a friend whose daughter is giving her a really hard time. This kid stood up in the school cafeteria and announced that she was going home to smoke pot, and that she had a plant. Within a short time, the police went to my friends house and upended EVERYTHING in her place. That may have been to the tipping point for me. My friend is straight as an arrow. She was crying and shaking. Coming apart.

You've revealed yourself, statist thug. You apparently believe that the Drug War Stasi should be able to toss the homes of law-abiding citizens if their minor children lose control of themselves in public.

You know, a minor child, as in "not responsible for themselves, or the things that come out of their mouths".

The fact that people have to live in fear of this sort of thing is testament to the fact of the American Police State.

And you're its cheerleader....

50 posted on 08/05/2011 5:58:08 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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