Skip to comments.Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean
Posted on 08/06/2011 4:11:06 PM PDT by Renfield
The Shipping of Michigan Copper across the Atlantic in the Bronze Age (Isle Royale and Keweenaw Peninsula, c. 2400BC-1200 BC)
Recent scientific literature has come to the conclusion that the major source of the copper that swept through the European Bronze Age after 2500 BC is unknown. However, these studies claim that the 10 tons of copper oxhide ingots recovered from the late Bronze Age (1300 BC) Uluburun shipwreck off the coast of Turkey was extraordinarily pure (more than 99.5% pure), and that it was not the product of smelting from ore. The oxhides are all brittle blister copper, with voids, slag bits, and oxides, created when the oxhides were made in multiple pourings outdoors over wood fires. Only Michigan Copper is of this purity, and it is known to have been mined in enormous quantities during the Bronze Age....
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GGG pingy thingy.
Isle Royale is an excellent place to go backpacking.
Michigan got the better deal out of the Toledo strip dispute.
Michigan copper mining history.
I’m kind of shocked to see a new mining project is getting started up there. (Nickel and copper)
They dont call it the Copper Country for no reason.
In the Caledonia mine, they dug out a mass that weighed in at about 27 tons. You can still go up there and hunt for pure copper nuggets laying around on top of the ground. Divers have come back and said they saw massive outcroppings underwater in the big lake.
In gold, the michigan mine, was said to have produced the highest per ton to ounce ratio in history. It pinched out fast and they closed to mine. Yet nobody has ever bothered to drill test holes to see if they got it all.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. I think I remember Barry Fell postulating trade with the eastern Mediterranean. Are there any isotopes in the copper or in the inclusions that could help further identify it as from North America?
Copper was definitely king. I’ve even read that copper miners were allowed to keep the small amounts of gold they found because it was really little more than trash that got in the way of the real money.
amazing . there were more europeans in n.a. before columbus than indians want to admit.
I know a professor at Tech. He said that if they could only find a way to mine that copper that those mines would still be up and running. Copper is soft, so they tried coal mining equipment-it gummed it all up. They try to blast it and it simply expands and then contracts and doesnt break out. The only way was to dig it out basically by hand and that is labor intensive. That and the mines are to far down for open pit mining.
Its all still there. Waiting for someone to take the chance. Calumet came within a couple votes, or so, short of becoming the MI state capitol.
Would I live up there? HELL NO! GD it snows from Oct to May. I think the record is 384 inches up there. They actually use ladders to get down on top of their roofs to shovel them off. Only the Finlanders are ornery enough to live there.
My great grandfather spent some time as a sureyor in The UP immediately after returning from WWI. He rode an old Indian all over the up there and was also a photographer so he took some great photos that are now mostly in museums.
Pre historic UPers?
Exxon Minerals was slated to open a mine near Manistique, Michigan I think thought this was over 35 years ago.
I see something east of there so maybe they did.
“Only Michigan Copper is of this purity, and it is known to have been mined in enormous quantities during the Bronze Age....”
There’s pits on the Keweenaw mined by unknown ancient miners, but they never mined “enormous quantities.”
You can see how these ancient miners chipped away at the “Ontonagon Boulder,” which is on display at the Smithsonian Institute. Now, we don’t know who these ancient miners were, and these ancient miners and their identity are a true mystery.
The “ancient miners” chipped away at the abundant float copper on the Keweenaw Peninsula, but it was never in any great quantities.
BTW, how the Ontonagon Boulder got to the Smithsonian is a Hollywood movie in itself.
It involves a gunboat battle with a US Army ship that chased a free-wheeling adventurer who owned a sailing vessel to the Sault locks, wheeling and dealing with Anishinabe natives, several gunfights, and the captain of a vessel who had the guts to take on the entire US government.
The captain eventually beat all odds and displayed the Ontonagon Boulder in Detroit for 10¢ a peek. He made a fortune.
We need people like that today.
Roman coins were used by Eskimos before Columbus arrived in the New World. There was trade between local factions, the copper may have found its way to the Mediterrian by a series of transactions, with each party unaware of the provenance of the trade goods he was receiving. It may have passed through dozens of hands and several generations before finding its way to Europe.
Do they have illegals up that far north?
I don’t think there are a lot of illegals up there running loose but there are a few prisons that probably have a fair number.
“In the Caledonia mine, they dug out a mass that weighed in at about 27 tons.’
The estimated weight was 760 tons, and it took the miners a year to cut it up, lift it to the surface and ship it out.
It’s believed that the copper mass discovered at the Central mine in the Keweenaw Peninsula in 1854 weighed more than 1,000 tons.
I have pictures of pure copper pillars - 75-feet wide and 100-feet tall - holding up stopes in the Keweenaw mines.
What’s tons among friends? Always enjoy talking to Yoopers. Keep the pasties warm and save one for me. God bless you all.
760 tons? You sure? Holly Wah! Dat Dere Is sure a lot of dem beer kettles.
I will tell you though. If a person could figure out how to mine that stuff with machinery, he’d be one rich booger now days thats for sure. Like I said. I know some divers that claim they have seen entire outcroppings under the water in the big lake.
This area is as rich in minerals as any place in the world. Yet we have one of the poorest populations. Why? Regulations thats why.
Like the fins say...That really is something else.
BTW dave. I have just made some pretty good Cornish Pasties out of some of the turnips I grew. Dont worry though..there are lots around here that sell them. Just dont get those made with road kill. Although the meat is tender, it gives ya the shits.
A few. They blend in good with the stew.
“I know some divers that claim they have seen entire outcroppings under the water in the big lake.”
They have. That’s a fact. We don’t have the technology to remove 100 million tons of copper sitting under Lake Superior.
The old miners in the 19th century got all the easy copper on Keweenaw’s spine. What remains to remove is difficult. A number of test mines have been run and failed.
From the old miners I talked to, we’ve removed about 10% of the copper on the surface. About 90% still sits there, waiting. I’ve got all the stats and historical records in my file. I’ve published those records.
Stan Dyl, former head of Michigan Tech’s Mineralogical Museum, has all the stats in his head. He’s one smart man. Don’t believe me? Talk to Stan.
In my opinion, people severely underestimate how much wealth sits on the Keweenaw Peninsula.
It’s trillions of dollars spread over decades.
It almost needs to be melted in the ground and pumped out.
I have never heard of this. Looks like I have to do some reading tonight.
I sent a set of samples from the Kingman AZ area and they are being used at Tech now. They are always excited to get things like that donated to them.
Like you said..there is trillions of dollars all there if they can just get the GD gubermint the hell outta the way. Think of it. This peninsula has vast Iron deposits, Some gold, some silver. a lot of copper, Timber up the wazoo, they have discovered oil on the Stonington Peninsula and we have to rely on boot licking from the gubermint to survive. I say we split this government and create our own. What the hell? We have shipping on INT waters just about year round now and all that wealth, what do we need with a government that is broke and dragging us down the hole?
I found this bit: WOW! That is one hell of a lot of copper!
It amounted to taunting and a few shots fired into the air.
This is a great book on the subject;
Interesting statement on paternalistic companies, and how socialistic costs drove them out of business.
Evidently the mines angled 12,000 feet down.
I spent some time on the Keweenaw Peninsula about 15 years ago. Beautiful area. Still ruins of mines at the time, buildings, and even trains on torn up track. Slag piles, and grated over mine holes that emit steam on cold days in the winter. Found an old grave yard while driving around and most everyone who died in the mines (most of the graves) were on average under 30 years old. Michigan Tech in Houghton Hancock was originally a mining school. I am really fascinated by the area.
Now that's a very long way from the UP, but the Wisconsin glaciation in the last Ice Age could have easily rafted it to Southern Indiana ~ along with a gazillion other rocks and junk.
Where’s the vihta?
You and your saunas. LOL!
I love you guys. You kicked Russia’s ass in the Winter War in 1939. I mean, holy cow, you Finns inflicted 1,000,000 casualties on the pig Stalin’s army. You were outnumbered 25 to 1. The Russian general in charge said: We took enough territory to bury our dead. That’s good, real good for the Finns.
I want you Finns on our flank for the next war, whenever and whatever it might be.
“It almost needs to be melted in the ground and pumped out.”
It still comes down to hard rock mining, and the UP has some of the best. But the people who worked at Calumet & Hecla when it shut down in 1968 are getting old now, but they have knowledge they can pass onto young people.
I would love to see hard-rock copper mining back on the Keweenaw.
Theres over 9000 wells in the Antrim. Not to say that the regs arent a a pain, but the Antrim has been active for years. Much of the production pre-dates horizontal drilling.
Say yah to da UP, eh?
People think I’m nutty when I say that the time is right for a conservative migration to Michigan but we’ve started to tip the scales and need a conservative influx to keep the momentum.
While the rest of the country runs to the south, there is enormous untapped wealth in Michigan. We only need the political will to go after it.
It doesn’t promise to be easy but good things seldom are.
I saw that map with those yellow, Finnish areas of Michigan. You thought you could hide them from me, but noooooo. I spied that little sliver of yellow isle up there. You and your 386” of snow in the UP.
Who needs copper? /s Y’all need to send that snow to Texas.
Michigan and Ohio really did almost go to war over swamp land by Toledo.
Hard to imagine, I know.
The Big 10 rivalry carries on that history, me thinks.
“I say we split this government and create our own.”
I’m familiar with what you’re saying. There have been a number of movements to split the UP away from lower Michigan going back to 1910.
Calumet, during its mining heyday, came very close to being named the new capital of Michigan.
Imagine the fat-ass politicians freezing their butts off in Calumet, under 250 inches of Lake Superior every winter. LOL!
I wandered into Michigan for no particular reason in 1977 after I left the military and discovered the KLA, the Keweenaw Liberation Front, at a Calumet bar called the Grey Hackle. A bunch of vets made it up just to piss off the jack-offs in Washington. I met a number of vets who are still my friends today.
The paranoid feds sent up a bunch of 50 IQ FBI stupidos to check it out. These bozo FBI morons took it seriously.
Long story short - the FBI still won’t admit that they’re fools who were fooled.
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That’s a great idea!
Not ‘melted’, but dissolved!
Acid, or some other chemical of a sort that could dissolve the copper, liquify it and just pump it out like oil!..........
Uluburun (2) wreck:
My great great grandparents came to Michigan from Cornwall, England and Germany to lead the copper mine crews in Houghton/Hancock. Still have kin up there with the same last names. Hoping to make it up there next year for the first time ever and explore my ancestry.
I'm thinking pickled eggs in big glass jars...with crackers
“Did they find any prehistoric pastys?”
Madonna’s been stripping in Michigan?