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'Lucky' woman who won lottery four times outed as Stanford University statistics PhD [Millions]
Daily Mail ^ | 08/07/11 | RACHEL QUIGLEY

Posted on 08/07/2011 7:30:35 PM PDT by BunnySlippers

First, she won $5.4 million, then a decade later, she won $2 million, then two years later $3 million and finally, in the spring of 2008, she hit a $10 million jackpot.

The odds of this has been calculated at one in eighteen septillion and luck like this could only come once every quadrillion years.

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A professor at the Institute for the Study of Gambling & Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada, Reno, told Mr Rich: 'When something this unlikely happens in a casino, you arrest ‘em first and ask questions later.'

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1 posted on 08/07/2011 7:30:38 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

It’s nice to hear there’s a competent professor somewhere out there.


2 posted on 08/07/2011 7:32:41 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: BunnySlippers

If she won, she won. What’s the beef?


3 posted on 08/07/2011 7:33:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Avery Iota Kracker
The math prof in question.


4 posted on 08/07/2011 7:33:36 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: xzins

I don’t think there’s a beef. It’s a “hey looky here” kinda thing.


5 posted on 08/07/2011 7:36:01 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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The obvious question is;

What series of formulas was she using ?

6 posted on 08/07/2011 7:36:28 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: BunnySlippers
The lottery is for the mathematically impaired, but when jackpots get high enough, playing the lottery is a mathematically reasonable risk/benefit proposition.

The trick is to only play when the jackpots get high.

7 posted on 08/07/2011 7:36:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: BunnySlippers
"A professor at the Institute for the Study of Gambling & Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada, Reno, told Mr Rich: 'When something this unlikely happens in a casino, you arrest ‘em first and ask questions later."

A casino doesn't have arrest powers, they can only ask a person to leave. One wonders what the professor actually does for a living that he doesn't know that.

8 posted on 08/07/2011 7:37:05 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: BunnySlippers

I’ve been telling ya that there is a method!


9 posted on 08/07/2011 7:37:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Durus

You are right. The casinos ban them big time. But not arrest as there is no [apparent] crime.


10 posted on 08/07/2011 7:38:52 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
Mr Rich proceeds to detail the myriad ways in which Ms Ginther could have gamed the system - including the fact that she may have figured out the algorithm that determines where a winner is placed in each run of scratch-off tickets.

Mr Rich sounds like sour grapes. I highly doubt the delivered the winning tickets so many times to the same market.

11 posted on 08/07/2011 7:39:15 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: pyx

my guess would be she looked for patterns that showed when they weren’t remixing the balls after a drawing. I can’t think of anything that would help prediction other than some failure to achieve pure randomness prior to a drawing.

Do the drawing. Turn the machine off. Do the drawing turn the machine off.

Of course, she could also be proof that insiders can fix the lottery.


12 posted on 08/07/2011 7:39:43 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: BunnySlippers
According to Forbes, the residents of Bishop, Texas, seem to believe God was behind it all.

No more questions.

13 posted on 08/07/2011 7:40:02 PM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: BunnySlippers

14 posted on 08/07/2011 7:40:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: BunnySlippers

This happened quite some time ago back in canada where I’m from. The BC lottery corporation were suspicious how a guy kept winning the Keno and Daily 3 PLUS the BC/49. He turned out to be a statistics major and they paid him a lot of money to shut up about the “equation”.


15 posted on 08/07/2011 7:40:39 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: xzins

... and the theory at the link. =:o)


16 posted on 08/07/2011 7:41:22 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: xzins

Three of the wins were from scratch-offs.


17 posted on 08/07/2011 7:43:15 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Revolting cat!

There IS a method, supposedly. Like my previous post, one guy in my backwoods of canada kept winning. There are books even in the library that teaches the “wheels” method of even getting close to 5 numbers of 6 in a 49 number combination. That’s what my cousin did, which is keep recording the numbers every week, then run the “equation” (even in MS Excel) and you are bound to hit even 4 of 6.


18 posted on 08/07/2011 7:44:12 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: BunnySlippers
... and the theory at the link. =:o)

I probably should read the articles every now and then, huh? :>)

My next guess at here quadrillion year luck is that she actually started scratching tickets in an earlier life some 2 quadrillion years ago.

Is that better? LOL.

19 posted on 08/07/2011 7:46:05 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: BunnySlippers

If she had won picking numbers I would say that her degree in statistics had something to do with it. But since she won scratch off cards, it is just dumb luck. BTW, how many thousands of cards has she bought?


20 posted on 08/07/2011 7:46:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Online universities are awaiting your applications for
accelerated math and statistics Ph.D programs.
No applicants are turned down!


21 posted on 08/07/2011 7:47:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: 1066AD

See #19


22 posted on 08/07/2011 7:48:43 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I was surprised to read o this thread that 3 were scratch offs. Altho a theory was put forth at the link.


23 posted on 08/07/2011 7:49:06 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: max americana

Does it work for him?


24 posted on 08/07/2011 7:49:46 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: BunnySlippers

Do you guys play quick pick or pick your own?


25 posted on 08/07/2011 7:50:31 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: NoLibZone

Me? I don’t play. :o)


26 posted on 08/07/2011 7:51:42 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
All I ever needed to know about statistics is summed up thusly; If you flip a coin 9 times and it comes up heads each time, what are the odds of the tenth flip showing up as heads...still 50%. I have read articles about people using the lottery commission websites to look at public information about the number of scratch off tickets issued and already sold for each game, how many of the top prizes had been won, and then extrapolating the best odds of winning and purchasing tickets for the games with the best chance to still win a major prize.
27 posted on 08/07/2011 7:53:47 PM PDT by festusbanjo (Attn: Current Occupant 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., let this serve as your eviction notice eff.11/06/2012)
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To: max americana

Yep, that’s what one guy I know did, before personal computers were invented - studied the frequency of winning numbers and won 3 or 4 out of 6 a couple of times and 5 once.


28 posted on 08/07/2011 7:54:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Avery Iota Kracker

The definition of competence being tied to gambling scamming the system? Did real well in your four years following high school, eh?

29 posted on 08/07/2011 7:58:36 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: BunnySlippers
Hi Bunny,
I don't play either....too cheap....haha!

But with the scratch off tickets, I wonder just how many she bought? She had millions of dollars to spend, in order to win again.

30 posted on 08/07/2011 7:59:57 PM PDT by mickie
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To: Ken522

He found the ‘equation’ on Google back in 2006’ and it’s available in Excel form. I suck on macro formulas when it comes to Excel, so I should ask him. Never crossed my mind until this thread. Either way, he changes his cars every 2 years ;)


31 posted on 08/07/2011 8:02:22 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: BunnySlippers

Having knowledge of the statistical probability of winning the lotto doesn’t improve the odds.


32 posted on 08/07/2011 8:04:43 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: BunnySlippers

The film ends with Lazlo arriving at Hathaway's house in a winnebago, hauling a trailer full of prizes he won in a Frito Lay, enter-as-often-as-you-want sweepstakes, where he claims to have won 31.8% of the prizes. He says that he is leaving because "it's getting a little too weird around here."

33 posted on 08/07/2011 8:05:09 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Right. You have to be disciplined to record the numbers every week because everything in this universe has a pattern or common denominator.


34 posted on 08/07/2011 8:05:09 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: max americana
...There are books even in the library that teaches the “wheels” method of even getting close to 5 numbers of 6 in a 49 number combination. That’s what my cousin did, which is keep recording the numbers every week, then run the “equation” (even in MS Excel) and you are bound to hit even 4 of 6...

Now there are free and paid software that will do this. Most lottery sites will have a breakdown of all the numbers and the number of times they were drawn.

35 posted on 08/07/2011 8:05:54 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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To: BunnySlippers

Only one factor of the equation of net gain.

Net Gain = Profits - Expenses

How much did she spend to win these amounts?


36 posted on 08/07/2011 8:08:13 PM PDT by bvw
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To: anymouse

lol, lazlo was the best.


37 posted on 08/07/2011 8:08:48 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: delacoert

Scam? I think not. Pure brain power.


38 posted on 08/07/2011 8:10:52 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: delacoert
The definition of competence being tied to gambling scamming the system?

Figuring out gambling odds led to the development of modern probability and statistics.

39 posted on 08/07/2011 8:16:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BunnySlippers

It’s moderately suspicious that 3 winning scratchoff tickets were shipped to the same small minimart.


40 posted on 08/07/2011 8:17:39 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Thank you. That was my first thought. But “moderately”?


41 posted on 08/07/2011 8:18:54 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Durus
A casino doesn't have arrest powers, they can only ask a person to leave. One wonders what the professor actually does for a living that he doesn't know that.

They may not have arrest powers, but Frankie, Rocco, and "The Neck" will make sure you spend a little quality time on a long drive in the desert, just you, them, and a 34 ounce Louisville slugger...;)

42 posted on 08/07/2011 8:19:54 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: anymouse

He originally thought he would win 32.6% of the prizes. He said he’d have to figure out what happened.


43 posted on 08/07/2011 8:21:54 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: BunnySlippers
Back in the 60s ESSO had a scratch off game (IIRC, Heads or Tails) A young fellow figured out how to win at it. ESSO didn't believe him, so they ignored him. Finally, (I can't remember what changed their minds) they called him in for a meeting. They gave him a stack of the cards, he went into another room, performed his magic and returned with a fistful of winners. I don't remember how much they gave him for his system, but I do remember that part of the pay-off was a tuition-free college education.
44 posted on 08/07/2011 8:22:50 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Southack

“It’s moderately suspicious that 3 winning scratchoff tickets were shipped to the same small minimart.”

Actually, three different million dollar scratch tickets were won at a little convenience store a half mile from me over a period of about 3 years.

It does happen.


45 posted on 08/07/2011 8:59:49 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: xzins
If she won, she won. What’s the beef?

Exactly.
If the administrators of the lottery are inept and incompetent, it's their crime.

Using math is not illegal, even though Hussein's entire regime seems to be totally unfamiliar with it.

46 posted on 08/07/2011 9:04:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Durus
A casino doesn't have arrest powers, they can only ask a person to leave.

Cheating a casino is a crime in Nevada. They don't ask such people to leave. They call the police. (The ones they ask to leave are mostly blackjack players who utilize winning strategies, but are not cheating.)

ML/NJ

47 posted on 08/07/2011 9:12:58 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: BunnySlippers
Unless she did something like counterfeiting the lottery tickets, she did nothing wrong or illegal. If she was able to statistically find some way of "beating" the lottery, more power to her. It just means that the government lottery actuaries were wrong.

Counting cards in Vegas casinos isn't illegal, and it's not even cheating. The casinos can choose who they will allow to gamble, and they only want to allow people in who can't even or even beat the odds.

Mark

48 posted on 08/07/2011 9:21:28 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: BunnySlippers

Geesh, don’t let Obama read words like “quadrillion and septillion”!


49 posted on 08/07/2011 9:23:28 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (PALIN 45 -The cure for "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Resisting Tyranny Since 1-20-2009)
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To: Revolting cat!

That describes evolution and the missing links.


50 posted on 08/07/2011 9:26:33 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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