Posted on 08/09/2011 5:59:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Governor Rick Perry on evolution, in an interview with the Associated Press:
"There are clear indications from our people who have amazing intellectual capability that this didn't happen by accident and a creator put this in place. Now, what was his time frame and how did he create the earth that we know? I'm not going to tell you that I've got the answers to that. I believe that we were created by this all-powerful supreme being and how we got to today versus what we look like thousands of years ago, I think there's enough holes in the theory of evolution to, you know, say there are some holes in that theory."
Not a bad answer. I can live with it.
If humans can evolve wolves into domesticated dogs of various appearances in 10,000 years, I wonder what nature might be capable of over billions of years this planet earth has been around.
What’s the relevance to anything?
Close enough for a politician.
Good answer, that’s right where I am. God did it and he did it in his own time frame.
The only answer a Repub should ever give to that question is...
“The THEORY of Evolution is just that. A Theory; and any honest scientist will tell you that we do not have all the answers. Science BELIEVES the theory of evolution is correct based on AVAILABLE evidence and people of faith believe the Bible is correct based on available evidence. The two can coexsist just fine until one or the other is proven to be incorrect. So far MR. Reporter, that has not happened.”
The problem with non-liberals is that they think they have to answer every question that the MSM launches.
Screw the MSM.
RE: What’s the relevance to anything?
You have to understand that to liberal reporters, questioning the theory of evolution is tantamount to questioning that the world is round.
They also want to imply that by expressing doubts about evolution, your educational policy will then be similar to the narrow-minded authorities who fined John Scopes for teaching evolution (thus, making you anti-science).
A good president doesn’t make education policy. A good president refunds the department of education and returns education to the locals... where it belongs.
BTW, This month, Perry appointed a biology teacher who disputes evolution as chairwoman of the Texas State Board of Education.
In 2009, that 15-member board put the national spotlight on Texas in a debate that led to adopting standards encouraging schools to look at “all sides” of scientific theory.
It now is considering educational materials that promote intelligent design even though a federal court ruled against teaching the theory that life on Earth is so complex that it must have come from an intelligent higher power.
Defunds. (not refunds)
Good answer, Mr. Perry.
Not a Perry fan, but I agree with this answer.
Perry is moving into Say Anything mode.
The greater issue is whether he can explain his past history of pro-abortion, pro-redefining marriage, pro-amnesty statements.
Evolution should try becoming mainstream science where best answers coalesce when one observes, measures, replicates by experiment, and computes formulas for a phenomenon. Currently, examinations for many physical events have not reached this four-fold rationality.
One example is String Theory, or the “theory of everything”; everything for atomic, micro-processes. Elegant mathematical models utilize eleven dimensions to unify gravitational, electromagnetic, and nuclear strong and weak forces. Here is computation without experiment, measurement, or observation. Niels Bohr would say, “Yes, yes you have the mathematics. But does it make sense?” Notable critics say scientists utilize mathematics, but inadvertently venture into philosophy or religion.
The other extreme is Macroevolution or Darwinism, where all is observation. Rigorous measurements and experiments would require 1,000 to 10,000 times recorded history. Science advocates contemplate observed phenomenon, and decide evolution explains everything. Yet Macroevolution fails computational testing, with vanishing small probabilities, using Thermodynamics, which covers all macro-processes.
For just one trivial example assume there are 82,000,000 steps from the first one cell animal to man and 81,999,500 have an absolute certainty of occurring. If the remaining 500 have a 90% probability of occurring, then the chance Macroevolution explains the presence of humans is 0.000000000000000000000013220708.
Advocates could consider natural processes in open systems, as required by natural selection and consistently note increased disorder, release of energy, and increased entropy. Even huge energy inputs result in Katrina, and not the Brooklyn Bridge absent intentionality.
Rigorous debate continues concerning String Theory, but debate is prohibited concerning Evolution. Darwinist advocates contend contrary arguments require intrusion of God. Yet good theologians of desert religions would say a god hedged in by observation, measurement, experiment, and computation ends up equivalent to the Golden Calf the Israelites constructed in the Wilderness. Their God can only be found by mystical, faith encounters.
This religious bashing by the presstitutes is bogus. Barry lies about having faith, gives a wink and a nod to the gays and the secular humanists, and plays up his "lifelong Christian faith" for the black church going community.
Anyone who believes in God as Creator has a “creation” belief. Does not at all mean that the believe subscribes to a “young earth, 6,000 year old planet” belief.
If God did NOT create the universe, then (A) God does not exist, (B) was sprung (or gods sprang) forth FROM the big bang, or (C) was surprised by the whole deal and probably has no ability to interfere in the lives of Men.
You’ll find plenty of Yahoo news posts from those on the Left condemning the “superstitious beliefs” of Christians and “their imaginary friend Jesus”. Not so much ridicule of the muslims belief that Mohammed rode into Heaven on horseback. Cowards.
I disagree with some of your conclusions. I don’t have a problem with evolution, and don’t find the need to disprove it in order to justify...well, something.
But, I think we both agree that it is a God-driven process, whatever we think it is structurally, and that God is in charge.
When the wolf becomes a parakeet we can talk.
But, if it is not true, then it is not a God-driven process.
Who is this 'science' that BELIEVES? TOE was created to remove the Creator out of the public sector. Old Darwin was ticked off and fell into a dark depression and imagined the TOE. The TOE is stuck in a dried up lake bed going nowhere. The only survival of so called 'fittest' is evidenced by who survives first and most off the government nipple.
And NO I do not 'believe' this earth is a mere 6,000 years. The literal evidence says otherwise as well as that instruction manual sent to us to not only physically survive but to survive the next heaven/earth age. IF TOE is true, then there is NOT one thing any of US should be complaining about over what the liberals are doing to US. After all the concept is the 'fittest' will survive. And the majority of Americans voted to have the liberals strip US clean bare.
AND I do not even want to get started on what I think about 'republican' leadership.
Yes, but I think he was trying to be truthful.
nice.
He apparently doesn’t believe the first 3 chapters of Genesis. Does he believe John 3:16 and if so, why? If God would lie about creation, how can we believe Him regarding salvation.
The Scriptures aren’t a smorgasbord where we can pick and choose which parts we’ll believe; any more than we can pick and choose which Commandments need to be obeyed and which ones don’t apply to us.
The Lord’s half-brother James said: Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Likewise it follows that if you choose not to believe certain scriptures, you call God a liar, and you cast doubt on the WHOLE BOOK!
By a process of random trial and error, with many swooshes of the magic chance fairy's sparkly natural selection wand, banana-eating monkeys accidentally learned how to drive, prove the quadratic residue theorem, and build cathedrals.
Did yo know that Chimps and humans have 99.5%+ similar genes?
Well then chimp chess players should on average fall only 1% short of human ELO ratings.
But not so with parakeets.
So what's the point? That parakeets didn't evolve? That they came from outer space?
When the wolf becomes a parakeet we can talk.
If you dissect and study the soft tissue anatomy of a parakeet, you can recognize most of the soft tissue anatomy of a wolf.
If you study the skeleatal anatomy of a parakeet, you have essentially learned the skeletal anatomy of a wolf.
Compared to, say, a crab or a snail or clam, a parakeet and a wolf are almost the same animal with only minor changes.
Pretty good summary comparison. I am impressed!
Well then chimp chess players should on average fall only 1% short of human ELO ratings. ..... Ethan Clive Osgoode
The belief that ... POOF ... God created fully formed human beings 6,000 years ago is a belief that is confined to Protestant Fundamentalists that constitute only 20% of all American voters.
Most Christians, including all Catholics, are taught that, while God was the driving force behind Creation, how God decided to make Man was up to God. That is the position that Perry is taking.
It is statements like your chess statement, Ethan, that make the Creationist dogmatists sound silly.
Give an Intel manufacturing plant the blueprint for a microprocessor with 0.5% of the data missing from the blueprint, Ethan, and tell us how well your computer runs with the resulting CPU.
When the blueprints for Deep Blue's microprocessors are missing 0.5% of their data, that does not reduce Deep Blue's ELO by one half of one percent .... That makes Deep Blue totally nonfunctional as a chess tool.
On a serious note, Chimps did not evolve directly into humans. There were innumerable mutations in between. The Java man, Australopithecus, Lucy the Hominid, Neanderthals, and whole bunch of other species which branched off, evolved and eventually the modern man appeared some 100,000+ years ago.
Some species such as crocodiles & great white sharks did not evolve much in million years because they have little trouble surviving. Only the intelligent hominids could escape from being eaten by lions & tigers and with every generation the smarter ones were able to pass on the genes.
In other words, chimps accidentally changed into chess-masters, with some accidental steps in between.
Indeed, it would be as useless at chess as a refridgerator or washing machine. And who can believe that a washing machine can change into a mechanical grandmaster by a sequence of fortunate accidents? Why, it's just about as plausible as a monkey changing into grandmaster by trial and error. Who in their right mind would believe that a chimp is but 0.5% away beating Garry Kasparov? Only those who are noted for believing in the nonsensical, i.e., Darwinians.
your description is the exact opposite of the truth. (You lie!) Give sources or retract.
Perry has always been extremely pro-life, pro-traditional marriage and against amnesty for illegal aliens.
You need to do some reading on Free Republic. As recently as last month, Perry was claiming that the 10th Amendment protected abortion and same-sex marriage(!), a claim that would have been quite a shock to the Founders. He has also many, many times opposed any serious enforcement action against the flood of illegals.
Have you been to all the pro-life rallies that the Governor has attended? Have you received help from Governor Perry when you needed to pass a pro-life, pro-family, or pro-business bill? I have.
Governor Palin has received a bit of criticism on this board for her stated opinion that abortion would go back to the States if Roe were overturned. She’s right unless, as Governor Perry notes about marriage, we can get an Amendment to the Constitution. Both Palin and Perry would back these amendments.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2395379/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2291242/posts
Along with Governor Palin, Governor Perry correctly states that under the 10th Amendment, all powers not expressly given to the Federal government belong to the States and the people.
Until there’s a Constitutional Amendment, just as the States may decide the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder, capital murder, etc., the regulation of abortion would go back to the States if R v. W were overturned.
By the same token, our the Governor has fought for our State’s Defense of Marriage and the State Constitutional amendment passed in 2005. He’s supported Bill after Bill to limit abortion in Texas and to protect minors from the consequences of Roe.
As to his efforts against illegal immigration, his record is also strong:
Perry has always advocated for “boots on the ground” at the border, but has been unable to get the Feds to send the manpower. He’s advocated for letting the military practice the use of unmanned Predator aircraft along our border (they’ve gotta practice somewhere” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEHDDktDn8o )
There are National Guard troops on the Border. Perry has repeatedly asked for more and recently won approval for the 1200 (we only got about 250) that have been deployed to stay longer.
from a year ago: http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-border/national-guard-arrives-in-texas-aug-1/
The result of the Governor alerting the Texas Republican Congressman about Obama’s plan to remove the National Guard after less than 6 months: http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/2010/11/texas-republicans-protest-plan-move-national-guard-troops-border
News from last month about the extension: http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/president-obama-extends-national-guard-deployments-in-texas/
Your example is incorrect. Wolves (Canines) were adapted to our purposes into dogs (Canines).
We have not taken a bear and changed it into a non-bear, or taken wild goats and changed them into something not-goat.
Adaptation is real, evolution, not so much.
Well said Tucker
Synopsis of your post: MOST people believe that the Word of God lies. Good position
When God created something He declared it “very good”. When something is very good it stands to reason that the same overall structure would be used for something else. That does not demand that one of those “very good” species “evolved into a different species. If you want to believe that one species “evolves” into a different species I won’t even attempt to stop you. I’ll just retain my belief that when God said He created each “after it’s own kind” He spoke truth and take Him at His word. That word was spoken approximately 6700 years ago so if you want to cram some kind of “evolution” into that time frame have at it. I’ll simply discount whatever you say from now on pertaining to anything scriptural.
See post 42. I’ll just apply it to your posts as well.
My example of from wolves to poodles was just to illustrate a point that appearance and characteristics of a species is subject to change. I did not cite that as an example of evolution. The Wolves to domesticated dogs conversion was accomplished by humans using selective breeding techniques. In other words they exaggerated naturally occurring mutations and variations to accomplish the the type of dogs desired. Some were bred for size, others for looks, and some others for specialized tasks such as catching mice in grain storage, herding cattle, or hunting wild animals.
Evolution on the hand happens by survival of the mutants who are most likely to survive changing environments.
Your post did, DID, use the word ‘evolution’ in relation to the example of dogs from wolves.
Evolution presupposes a change in form to create new animals.
A something that changes into something else that is not the original something.
A non-human that is changed over time to a human. Sorry can’t buy into that.
Evolution is a non-starter.
In fact, one example of a form change that bothered me is this:
I have a large snake, about 8 1/2 foot Yellow Anaconda. Near his vent are two spurs, which, if you looked at his skeleton, are connected to bones that could be said to be vestigial legs. That could be said to be evidence of this ‘evolution’ thing that people seem to hold so dear.
Yet, to show how the Bible can show the folly of man, I re-read the account of Adam and Eve, written by Moses under inspiration by the Holy Spirit.
Moses describes a snake that must have had legs, because, due to the serpents lies to Eve, God commands that from then on the serpent would go upon his belly. WHY would God have had to command that unless snakes had legs then? What would Moses have known of ‘leggy’ snakes 6000 years ago, as by ‘evolution’ it would take millions for that transformation?
You may breed dogs to accentuate certain desirable characteristics, yet in the end, they are still dogs. When you can breed dogs and produce non-dogs then you might have some ammo to defend the THEORY of ‘evolution’.
Oh well, I’ll still vote for him. I’ve accepted that the Republican party is going to fall for this Intelligent Design garbage, but it’s so far to the outside of my circle of concern that it’s almost completely irrelevant.
Wolves-—>Dogs....man made evolution on steroids. This is not conjecture, there is actual evidence of this change starting 10,000 years back, which is a very small time period in terms of geological clock.
Humanoids-——>modern man....natural evolution at much slower speed, around a million years span.
Observing behavior of some modern humans, that 2nd evolution is still not complete :-)
Why do they even bother answering these questions. They should just shoo them aside and say something like, “Let me say something about the economy...” and then launch into what he did to attract businesses away from California.
Why do they even bother answering these questions. They should just shoo them aside and say something like, “Let me say something about the economy...” and then launch into what he did to attract businesses away from California.
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