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Posted on 08/12/2011 9:56:32 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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I take issue with this guy's use of the term "barely beat back". I don't see how you can use the word barely to describe a 20 point win.
His record speaks for itself. He’s been a businessman for fifty years, way before he ever became the head pooh bah imam, which he inherited. He did not seek it.
I’d be willing to bet you hate communism, but if you walk around your house almost everything in it that moves, flashes, speaks, or nukes was produced in Red Communist Freaking China! And you’ve supported them with every freaking nickel you could scrape up! Including silk freaking flowers strung all over the place and car parts!
Yaa know Rush had a caller today much as you.....Rush finally said some folks are just not worth the time because no matter what facts they are presented with won’t make a difference in the mindset they have ...and simply not worth the dialogue...they are stuck and will remain that way.
And so without further dialogue it’s time for this dialogue to end. Not worth the energy...just as Rush said.
“I take issue with this guy’s use of the term “barely beat back”. I don’t see how you can use the word barely to describe a 20 point win”
Barely avoided a runoff. Getting 51% of the primary vote for a two term incumbent governor is pretty weak. If half of the party in your state is against you after six years in office, it suggests something is wrong either with your administration you as a candidate or with your administration. I imagine it may be the latter if this is true:
“A two-year budget tentatively approved May 29 in the Texas legislature, predicts that 335,000 jobs would be destroyed, including 146,000 private sector jobs and 189,000 government jobs. The budget also includes major cuts to retired teachers’ health insurance, state health care programs, state environmental programs, and funding for state universities.
The Texas Senate Finance Committee voted to approve $4 billion in cuts to education Under the approved budget, as many as 43,000 fewer working class students in the state will receive financial aid for college. In the nearly $9 billion Rainy Day Fund, which was created in the 1980s specifically to prevent cuts to education, will remain untouched under the current budget. $4 billion in planned cuts to education.
And this is just the tip.”
Looks like Perry’s chickens in TX are about to come home to roost. Maybe that is why he has flown the coop to run for President.
Palin by contrast upended an incumbent Governor in a tough year for the GOP and got 51% of the vote in a three way primary. In a three way general she got 49% of the vote in 2006 (against a former two term Dem governor)while Perry the incumbent could only manage 39% against the likes of Kinky Friedman.
I don't see how the two compare. Texas has over 35 times the population of Alaska. It's like comparing a state Senate race to student council.
“I don’t see how the two compare. Texas has over 35 times the population of Alaska. It’s like comparing a state Senate race to student council”
If you want to talk numbers, Sarah Palin got 60 million votes for Vice President in 2008. Rick Perry got 1.7 million for reelection as governor in 2006.
Alaska is nearly three times the size of Texas and very complex to govern. It is why the Governor is so much more powerful and her decisions so much more consequential than the Governor of Texas.
The fact that Texas has more people just gives nanny staters like Perry an opportunity to insert themselves into the lives of the people by forcing gardasil on teenage girls and forcing taxpayers to pay tuition for illegals.
Maybe the complexity of governing a state with 35 times less people was why she quit after two and a half years.
I could care less if he's even been invited to the White House or spoken on the steps of the Capital...under any President....or state Governance. Heck one of the most respected guests and businessman to the Whitehouse ended up funneling money to Hisbollah and now serving sentence for that. They all turn when the Islam agenda calls them to.
He's an Islamic Cleric with a huge following in the Middle East.....first and foremost no matter when he acquired that position. .....And for that he is under the Islamic agenda regardless how he makes it appear otherwise while operating here in the states.
"Islamism is not our problem;... radical Islam is not our problem;.... extremist Islam is not our problem..... Our problem is Islam itself......unless we get past this blithering nonsense that Islam is a religion of peace we will continue to pursue policies that make us less safe every day."
"Until you get principled leadership in the United States of America that is willing to say that, we will continue to chase our tail, because we will never clearly define who this enemy is, and then understand their goals and objectives which (are) on any jihadist website and then come up with the right (and) proper objectives to not only secure our Republic but secure Western civilization."
(Col. Allen West)
And just as I said....for those who accept this Imam.. it's all because of the money he generates into your state....it's always the money...no matter the cost otherwise to our country.
As long as there are those such as yourself who spam every Perry thread with the same old tired inaccuracies, I’ll continue to defend him.
I don’t base my vote on Radio Personalities no matter who they select...and I would hope others don’t as well. It’s been known for some time Rush set in motion a movement to get Perry to run...so of course he’s going to back him...Dah!
I thought we were talking about election "victories". She and McCain lost to Obama, by 10 million votes!
So does this mean you will not vote for him against Obama?
I've seen a lot of this over the past few days. Not just from just Palin folks, who are the ultimate "take your ball and go home" types, but from a lot of people.
I think we need to hold Perry's feet to the fire on a lot of his bad decisions, decisions that were made over a decade long governorship. But there are also a lot of lies going around about him, and they're not just coming from Palin people.
But I regard any claim to stay home and let Obama walk away with a second term an idle, empty threat.
In your case, I absolutely believe that you will not vote for Mitt Romney or Rick Perry under any circumstances. You would rather have Obama be re-elected. When most people say this, I don't believe them. But with you I know it's not just an idle threat, but a promise.
I thought we were talking about election “victories”. She and McCain lost to Obama, by 10 million votes!”
You are the one who switched the discussion from electoral victories to size of states adn started talking about student councils. I thought you wanted to talk about who got the most votes.
Unlike Perry, Palin has run in a national campaign. Had she not been on the ticket, McCain would have lost in a Goldwater style land slide. When she was named, McCain surged into the lead and he was taken down by the financial collapse engineered by the other great Texas governor, George W. Bush. But you knew all this.
Her electoral appeal is beyond cavil. Even your boy acknowledges it and he begged her to campaign for him. Read what he said. Don’t take my word for it.
And she didn’t back into the governor’s office either the way Perry did. She took it. And defeated an incumbent (who had won four times statewide) to boot. In a big Democrat year.
Perry hasn’t defeated anyone of any consequence in his career. He is all hat and no cattle. BTW, I see you are from Austin. Are you on Perry’s payroll per chance? You better come up with some better arguments than “Texas is big ... Alaska is small” or Ricky is gonna fire you.
Too bad with all this exchange you still have it wrong. Romeny and Perry are hardly the only ones running....even Trump says he might yet be in and Bolten as well...not to mention Palin....the list is growing and better candidates than certainly Romney....which of course I will not be voting for...under any circumstances....I will indeed go third party if he wins...which he won’t thankfully.
“Maybe the complexity of governing a state with 35 times less people was why she quit after two and a half years”
If she hadn’t resigned and come south to campaign for him, Rick Perry would very likely be private citizen Perry right now.
I guess she would have hung around collecting a check from the taxpayers of Alaska and campaigning for Ricky, even running for President. But that would be dishonest, wouldn’t it? Especially if, in order to get elected, you promised them you would not run for President?
Then what’s you’re big gripe if you don’t care? You seem like democrats who want to judge people collectively instead of on individual merit. My God, the man is born and bred to Islam. I look at what he’s done as an individual trying to raise up his people out of ignorant dogma and poverty.
I understand, if like most democrats you don’t want to give him credit for his individual accomplishments.
And I’m certainly not going to slam Rick Perry for praising this man’s effort to bring a little bit of sanity into the mad world of Islam.
But if you want to carry that can of KRAP for the democrats or from the Ron Paul campaign you go right ahead!
Bull crap!..... I’m like any other individual who will vet these candidates as I see them and as their history shows. And by the way we are suppose to make judgements not only for candidates but for those who oppose our constitution and live a life diametrically opposed to it.....it’s because people don’t we have Obama and his thugs to contend with.
If the Imam wants to lift his people out of their dust bin then build his businesses over in the M.E. and put his people to work there. As long as these people adhere to Islam and the Koran they will not conform to any other than what they have know. And by the way...the Imans keep the people in poverty so they can use and abuse them....this ones no different while he basks in his wealth and prosperity....and invests in building his Mosques.
Furthermore stating that my judgement is Democratic is a tactic they use....make iaccusations when there is zero evidence to that. I will say again. The guy is an Imam with a huge M.E. following who follows the Koran and it’s teachings. And I honestly wouldnt believe a word he says until he has turned away from Islam....it’s that simple...and regardless of what you perceive as his accomplishment for his people.
Perry’s not praising the guy for his accomplishments....it’s for the revenues his state took in from doing business with the guy.....fluff is purely to get the compliments you just gave him for doing so.
Or maybe he would have won by just 6 points instead of 12.
I'll repudiate (or as Sarah says, 'refudiate') Perry when he's been wrong since I'm not tied to any particular candidate. But I really think its wishful thinking to compare the executive experience of a half term as Governor of the fourth smallest state with 3 terms in the second largest state and the world's 15th largest economy. The Texas governorship is famous for being weak, but that's more because the Lt. Governor is so strong rather than it being a neutered position; it's not.
There's legitimate criticism that he didn't really beat anyone of merit, but I also don't think that Sarah being able to save McCain from a Goldwater loss by delivering him a Dukakis loss exactly fires me up to send her back up on the national stage, especially considering the fact that she has the lowest ratings against Obama than any GOP candidate. I don't think you'll be able to dance around that one when the time comes, if it does at all.
I don't see her winning the nomination, which is why I put money on it.
I think Perry will do better.
Well, go figure, then. If you’re going to be intolerant and unreasonable, I’m not wasting anymore typing time.
Trash Perry all you want and carry the democrats water for them.
That's exactly right..I am..... There are far far too many things this country has been tolerant of where they shouldn't be. Illegal aliens is one of them. Islamic Infiltration is another..... Both of which come in over our borders....and of course by unwise and ill-informed politicians who still do not see the threat, and in fact invite it for being uninformed.
You may indeed follow the ideology of an all inclusive universal world...I do not.... Our world was designed with 'differences' and 'boundaries' and 'cultures' so that each can flourish as they will or not... But the choice is for each nation to determine the way in which shall go. The M.E. chooses Islam...and for that they have suffered not because of any other nation...but because of their own choosing.
I want to see America again....where those who come here become Americans and not some hyphenated other than. I do not want to adapt to their cultures, nor should I be made to..... rather... see them adapt to ours... and if they cannot then they need to go back to their own countries...for this is America...not the Middle East...nor is it Europe or any other country. It's the United States of America...and it's my country with it's own culture.
Anyone FR who call other Patriotic Freepers as carrying the Democratic water for them have simply bowed to Democrates agenda to divide us...... We have a choice of who we vote for in OUR primaries....that is a right men died for. But when ANY candidate "carries the water of the Muslim agenda" INTO our country I will oppose this....count on it.
We have a current President feeding the Islamic agenda in our country....do you really think I want to see another one doing like wise?.... Perry is clearly for merging the US with Mexico.....and clearly for assisting Islamic Leaders to build their Mosques here and their businesses..and to teach our children about Islam........how is that different from Obama since Perry is doing the same thing?
I want a President who will build up the people here that are Americans...and their businesses.... and their industries....and let the other countries do likewise among their own.
For this I owe no apology to anyone and I should not have to defend it among other Freepers....my father gave his life so I and my family and all American families would not have to contend with war on our shores.... My two sons have served both statewide and in Iraq and Yemen...... So do not tell ME I carry water for any but the interests of our country first and foremost.... and that most certainly over any Islamic Cleric...or those who support them.
Try googling what the Web is saying about Perrys Muslim associations. I am not hardly alone in how I see this....there are many...it is a problem Perry is going to have like it or not.
Oh get lost. I thought this was a sight for conservative republicans...not democrats.
Sounds like you still need a little more work done. Some of it's still sticking.
It doesn’t matter who the President is, they WILL be dealing with MUslims.
And guess what? The Muslim aren’t your only sworn enemy.
They too, will be dealt with by the CiC.
I live in Texas and hear anti and pro Perry news everyday of my life.
Nothing he's done has been unreported.
The fact you *think* you've uncovered some *new* news is IMO, laughable. BTW: If you have your own blog or post regularly on FR or else where, providing links/sources is standard protocol.
Dealing with and pandering to are two distinctly different things. Bush pandered. It was a HUGE mistake. And I am very leery and very gunshy where it comes to pandering to anybody, especially muslims.
The *children* of illegals PAY in-state tuition, you idiot.
Look. I am still watching Perry. I haven’t crossed him off my maybe list. There are a couple of likeable characters already announced, but they aren’t going anywhere much past Iowa and NH. They just don’t have it. Of those I have crossed off, I made it my business to stand back and let them each have their day in the sun. They melted in front of my eyes. I will watch to see if Perry melts or solidifies. If Sarah Palin doesn’t run, I surely need to know who it is I am going to support because ewwbama is the death of this country..
Oh, MR/Ms. misinformed, the Gardasil issue had a parental optout. No one was forced to do anything.
I need to learn more about Perry and no, I'd vote for a pumpkin just to vote against the Obozo.
Perry was envisioning bring more *dollars* to Texas through this venture. (which is now dead)
Perry said he didn't think certain aspects of the AZ law would be right for Texas, not the whole thing.
He signed a Voter ID bill and a proof of citizenship to receive a TX DL law this last session. An anti-sanctuary cities bill was also discussed but, didn't have the votes.
As far as Tancrado being called a racist by Perry, I only found one publication (in CO) where Tancrado himself made that accusation. Never heard a thing about it here in Texas.
I'm not as much trying to sell him as I am trying to make sure people aren't taken in by all the bullchit going around. I live just outside Austin, TX. and have heard it all from both side.
I realize this is politics and all but, we need to establish a solid front in the effort to oust that milk toast Marxist and all his commie minions.
Well, I promise you, I am paying attention.
By the stroke of a pen Governor Perry changed the status quo, that parents must appeal to the government to not have their child immunized against a sexually transmitted disease. In practice, an opt-out provision is much more difficult than it sounds, particularly when scores of service providers (not just in Texas) require compliance with government mandates.
This is not liberty, this is tyranny.
As Tom Bevan observed in Real Clear politics,
“In response, the sponsor of HB 1098, Republican state Rep. Dennis Bonnen, blasted Perry for “using cancer victims as his backdrop for an issue that he has grossly misjudged.”
“Just because you don’t want to offer up 165,000 11-year-old girls to be Merck’s study group doesn’t mean you don’t care about women’s health, doesn’t mean you don’t care about young girls,” Bonnen added.
And, in fact, two years later the National Vaccine Information Center issued a report raising serious questions over the harmful side effects of the drug. A few months after that, an editorial on Gardasil in the Journal of the American Medical Association declared that “serious questions regarding the overall effectiveness of the vaccine” needed to be answered and that more long-term studies were called for.”
It turns out that Perry’s former Chief of Staff was a lobbyist for Merck:
“The controversy over Perry’s decision deepened as it came to light that his former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck and that his chief of staff’s mother-in-law, Rep. Dianne White Delisi, was the state director of an advocacy group bankrolled by Merck to push legislatures across the country to put forward bills mandating the Gardasil vaccine for preteen girls.”
The more I investigate Perry, the less I like him. Gardasil, intrusions on parental rights, lobbyists, cronyism, open borders, pandering to Muslims imam. I started off thinking he was second (a distant second) to Palin. Now, I consider him to be no better, and perhaps even worse, than Romney. Any of the other also rans is better than he is. Far better. He is a nonstarter.
“The *children* of illegals PAY in-state tuition, you idiot.”
I try not to type every word. Correcting your half truths and dissemblance takes time. As a mouth piece for Perry around here, you know very well what I meant, as do the other posters here. Taxpayers shouldn’t be subsidizing CHILDREN of illegals with instate tuition, when kids from Louisiana and Arkansas can’t get it. It incentivizes law breaking and exacerbates the problem of illegal immigration. Is that too hard for you to grasp. Read it slowly.
Thanks for your disingenuous half truth of a post about the gardasil opt out. I dug a little deeper and Perry’s involvement is even more shameful than what I thought. I posted the whole truth about his gardasil scandal so you aren’t able to mislead anyone.
There are a lot of Texans on this board. The first postings about a Perry run the Gardasil mandate was brought up. I did a lot of research on it and rebutted those who claimed it as a mistake or an opt out. The Texas legislature forced the opt out on Perry and then forced him to drop it altogether. He did not scrap it by choice.
OTOH, at the time, his wife being a nurse, it was my understanding that he thought it was a genuinely good thing and did not know that he was literally being duped. That said, government mandates are for crap regardless of good intentions. And this one, before all the research was done, was an example of very poor judgement and maybe a combination of misplaced loyalty and not enough attention to the details.
Therein lies my problem right out of the gate with Perry. He leaps before he looks. Same with the islam thing. That scares the bejeepers out of me. Bush *trusted* HIS friends too, and look what has happened because of it. Creeping shariah on a magnitude I never would have thought possible, especially after 9/11.
So back to the Texans on the board. Some love him, some hate him, and some think he’s okay in Texas, but don’t want him to be president.
Right now, I cannot honestly say that I could support Perry for the nomination IF Sarah does not run. That possibility never entered my mind, so I am going to be shaken to the core if she doesn’t because I just don’t see anyone I would actually trust that even comes close. and THAT is frightening.
So guess what’s up right before the big Perry announcement! Muslim support for Rick Perry...including cair. Strike three!
Can you post the link, mesta? Perry is an unmitigated disaster. He has fallen from second choice to last choice.
American Muslims I suppose? Good, better than them supporting the Marxist.
I’m watching his announcement right now, I like what he’s saying.
no link. announcement was on fox.
Someone just posted this. I had not seen this, but Shami was the palestinian that Rick Perry asked for advice about the victory mosque at Ground Zero.
Yikes. If Palin needed any convincing to get in (and I don’t think she does) this would be it. She is not going to permit another CAIR sock puppet in the WH to menace Israel.
So Perry asked a Palestinian for advice on the victory mosque at Ground Zero? Anyway, Perry’s in TX, what does he have to do with it anyway? Was he FOR it????
Wow, just reading the link about his “warm relationship” with the Muslim community.
LG, have you seen the link MestaMachine posted????
Why is anyone positive about this guy? I don’t get it!
Okay, MM - I read it. This is has to go viral.
Perry is as bad as Romney, it’s all clear. The GOP establishment wants to force another s*** sandwich down our throats.
I think the Palinites are getting desperate. 1st, their candidate is (if she does) getting in the race dangerously late. 2nd, they see Perry as treading into their turff. Their attack dogs have been unleashed today.
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