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Michele Bachmann is Not Running for Wife-in-Chief
National Review Online ^ | August 12, 2011 | Nancy French

Posted on 08/12/2011 2:16:46 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

...Of course, Bachmann knows what every Christian woman knows — the theological richness of submission is a counterintuitive scriptural principle that defies a 30-second response

...The concept of submission is a bit more nuanced than our feminist sisters understand. Christian women are under the authority of their husbands. Submission is, as John Piper put it, “the disposition to follow a husband’s authority and an inclination to yield to his leadership.” This means that the man is the spiritual head of the household, that he should take initiative to make the family better, and lead with love.

However, the “head of the household” role doesn’t apply to the details of her job.

When a woman has a career, she has obligations in the eyes of God and man to fulfill that role. In my own life, I’m a wife, a mother, an editor for a magazine, and a “celebrity collaborator.” Even though I’m a conservative Christian wife, it would be absurd for my husband to grab my manuscript and say, “As the leader of this household, I demand that you delete this paragraph, which would be better suited for chapter two.” He’s my husband, not my boss.

However, this doesn’t mean that husbands don’t have a say-so over their wives’ professional aspirations. I frequently have to sort through which writing jobs to take and which to decline. On one occasion, my husband told me directly that writing a certain celebrity’s story was not going to be good for our family. Even though I’d already started the process of interviewing (and wanted to take the job), I declined. Since then, as I’ve seen other writers struggle with the task, it’s apparent that my husband’s inclination was correct. In this case especially, I was thankful for his leadership.

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TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: bachmann; bachmann4romney; debate; michelebachmann; palin; romneystalkinghorse; sarahpalin; unqualified

1 posted on 08/12/2011 2:16:50 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Bachmann also had a decision to make about the direction of her career. In fact, York referred to Bachmann’s statement that she didn’t want to pursue a degree in tax law, though ultimately deferred to her husband’s judgment on the issue. She rightly heeded her husband’s advice and counsel on the direction of her life. This doesn’t make her a passive non-entity who, if elected, would be the “Wife-In-Chief” instead of the commander-in-chief. There’s nothing in the Bible that says she must defer to her husband’s judgment in how she does her job. Moreover, she would have a legal, occupational, and — yes — Biblical responsibility to perform that task. In other words, when you hire a Christian woman, you aren’t really hiring her husband. Similarly, when you vote for a Christian candidate, you aren’t actually voting for her husband.
2 posted on 08/12/2011 2:23:33 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Palin 2012)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The concept of submission is a bit more nuanced than our feminist sisters understand.

Exactly true. I grew up with 4 sisters, a mother, step mother and full set of grandmothers and great grandmothers. Respect for women was instilled in me every day of my life. That said, I've also learned that in a relationship setting, most women like a man to take charge in some situations. The trick is in learning where she wants to sit back and let me take control and where she needs to stand on her own.

Submission does not mean unequal in this sense.
3 posted on 08/12/2011 2:24:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Low blow question.

None of our business how she acts in her marriage.


4 posted on 08/12/2011 2:38:19 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

I thought she gave a fine answer.

I see that she’s still Glenn Beck’s top pick.


5 posted on 08/12/2011 2:45:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

I loved her answer. She lifted up her husband and herself at the same time.


6 posted on 08/12/2011 2:52:08 PM PDT by sappy
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To: cripplecreek

Hi, CC.

To me, the question attacks her faith. “Wives, be submissive to your husbands. Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the Church.” And, yes, she gave the perfect answer. Frankly, she looked taken aback to me when asked, a bit like Sarah when Couric asked her, basically, whether she reads.

These questions that imply the political nature of Christian beliefs are not fair game, except for the political implications of our laws contrary to Christianity. No other religion gets that snootiness. I don’t know who the h* these people think they are, but they are not worth my time.

I see I am getting contrary in this answer. It’s not directed at you, CC. Hope you know this.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 2:53:25 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots
Hope you know this.

Of course.
8 posted on 08/12/2011 2:56:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I thought she was sharp and on Point in the debates and trashed Timmy boy,He is done!And She looked great,BTW Lincoln was where when he got elected President?


9 posted on 08/12/2011 2:56:28 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: combat_boots
Low blow question.

That was my first thought. But on reflection, it was about a statement she made, and you know she was going to have to address it eventually. Better to ask it now, so she could answer it straight up, and hopefully put it to rest.

10 posted on 08/12/2011 2:58:44 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Cheetahcat

Some complained about the fight between she and Pawlenty but it needed to be done. He’s pretty much done and she showed that she can stand on her own against the big boys.


11 posted on 08/12/2011 3:07:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

T-Paw is as lame as his jokes. His only contribution so fare was coining “Obamneycare”, which he backpedaled away from in the first debate like the wimp he is. He must have caught flak for that, so he defended it this time. But he never really answered Michele’s attacks about backing a healthcare mandate, because he can’t. He’s toast.


12 posted on 08/12/2011 3:17:17 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: cripplecreek
“Some complained about the fight between she and Pawlenty but it needed to be done. He’s pretty much done and she showed that she can stand on her own against the big boys.”

Yes that Idiot has been sniping at her,He had his chance,but after that,LOL He was throwing punches and pulling back a Nub ,I am sure the boy has had enough.

I saw her alone fighting for us in the house against overwhelming odds and She Never Quit,that is not in her makeup,She is like a wolverine ,you get one of those on your case leave,Indians would move their village.

13 posted on 08/12/2011 3:18:28 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

So many pagans misunderstand this and think a wife promises to be submissive to ALL men.

MAY THIS NEVER BE!

Backman could have replied, “The Bible teaches a wife to be submissive to her husband. You are not he.”


14 posted on 08/12/2011 3:20:37 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: Cheetahcat

I didn’t buy his “You have no record” tactic because the RINOs and democrats tried the same thing with my congressman. His first two years in congress were as a freshman in Nancy Pelosi’s house.

Frankly at this point, just standing up to the idiocy we see in congress is a better record than going along to get things done.


15 posted on 08/12/2011 3:23:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Cheetahcat
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GO GET THEM MICHELE!!
WOLVERINES!!
16 posted on 08/12/2011 3:42:04 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

“GO GET THEM MICHELE!!
WOLVERINES!!”

LMAO Great one!


17 posted on 08/12/2011 3:51:16 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Cheetahcat

Your post gave me the idea.


18 posted on 08/12/2011 3:55:01 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: cripplecreek

“I didn’t buy his “You have no record” tactic because the RINOs and democrats tried the same thing with my congressman. His first two years in congress were as a freshman in Nancy Pelosi’s house.

Frankly at this point, just standing up to the idiocy we see in congress is a better record than going along to get things done.”

Exactly ,Plus She has an Outstanding voting record,I have watched her for years take the fight to them.


19 posted on 08/12/2011 3:56:09 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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20 posted on 08/12/2011 3:57:10 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Isaiah 3:12 “As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.”

There is a reason that you want a man in charge. Good example is Angela Merkle the German PM who everytime she meets with the French President Nicolas Sarkozy get owned by him. She goes in saying one thing and comes out saying whatever Sarkozy wants. But I suppose you’ll just have to learn the hard way.


21 posted on 08/12/2011 4:21:34 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: cripplecreek

I think the correct term is “SUBMITTED.” There is a big difference between “submitting” as in “surrendering/giving up any independence” and “submitting” ideas, plans. There is very little “submission” in a wife in her proper role, but a “submitted” wife knows how to submit decisions, plans, opinsions, and ideas to her spouse in the interest of comity and agreement.


22 posted on 08/12/2011 6:10:42 PM PDT by redhead (I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. —)
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To: trapped_in_LA

context context...Angela Merkel...Margaret Thatcher are far more preferable to oh you know, Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al...

its better when men and women lead society together rather than seek constant domination or abuse over the other.

Many of the most effective leaders of the abolition movement were women. some of the greatest Evangelizers in the far corners of the globe have been women before any Christian men ever stepped foot in certain places.

and there are prophetesses (Huldah, Deborah et al) queens (Queen of Sheba et al) and even single businesswomen (Lydia) spoken well of in the Bible. And in general its not smart to nitpick verses to make blanket statements at the expense of other verses, teachings, and precedents. God is not meant to be put in a box. Neither are women or human governments.


23 posted on 08/13/2011 8:21:25 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Palin 2012)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Which is why, even though I’m a Palin supporter, that question ticked me off.


24 posted on 08/13/2011 8:24:52 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Eh, God made woman to be a help meet to man not the other way around. It is pretty consistent throughout the Bible and even Deborah was a second choice to Barak who wimped out and insisted that she come along.

I’m not saying that women haven’t done good just that they are not meant to be in positions of leadership or power over men.

Oh, and by the way it was Mao’s mistress that came up with the cultural revolution (you do remember the gang of four right?).

Or how about 1 Corinthians 14:34-35? “As in all congregations of God’s people, women should keep silent at the meeting. They have no permission to talk, but should keep their place as the law directs. If there is something they want to know, they can ask their husbands at home. It is a shocking thing for a woman to talk at the meeting.”

Also, who said anything about abuse? Just because men are supposed to be dominant doesn’t mean it’s abusive (just more feminist propaganda and shaming language but I didn’t expect anything but that from your likes).


25 posted on 08/13/2011 11:14:24 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

I guess you’ll leave the country if Palin or Bachmann wins the presidency.


26 posted on 08/17/2011 9:55:32 AM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: trapped_in_LA

By the way, what is your opinion of male Freepers who label attractive female pedophiles as “not guilty”?


27 posted on 08/17/2011 10:33:05 AM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

No, I’m not some whiny liberal that throws a temper-tantrum every time something doesn’t go my way. That said I think it far more likely that Hillery will be our first female president than either Palin or Bachmann. You have a lot of guys on FR that just go nuts for the semi-hot republican candidates because they think that they are easy wins and that they lock up the women vote. That’s not typically true though so I think they’ll continue to be disappointed. In any case it will be just another sign of the times if/when we get our first female president and just another marker on the road to oblivion for this country.


28 posted on 08/17/2011 4:32:04 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

I’m sorry you feel that way. Since I don’t have a husband to financially support me, I have no choice but to have my career. I don’t know why any conservative would have a problem with that.


29 posted on 08/17/2011 6:46:17 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

“Since I don’t have a husband to financially support me, I have no choice but to have my career. I don’t know why any conservative would have a problem with that.”

I don’t know where you got that from my post. I’m not talking about women and their careers, I’m talking about leadership positions for this nation. Big difference, you can have any kind of “career” that you want but if you are talking about political leadership positions as a “career” than yes I would say those should be off the table for you. No a big impact for all but a hand full of women by the way so I’m fairly sure you would not be adversely impacted by that.

So quit trying to twist things to frame yourself as some kind of victim, your not, because of affirmative action and all sorts of laws, regulations, rules, etc you have more of an advantage in the job market than most men do, if you want to put in the time and sacrifices necessary to achieve that success.


30 posted on 08/18/2011 4:16:12 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

No man gets to say what is off the table for me except my husband, should I marry. Period. I am finished with this conversation.


31 posted on 08/18/2011 7:12:21 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Eh, with the chip you’ve got on your shoulder I doubt any man is going to want to marry you. Who wants some woman with a bad attitude. In any case good luck ... you’re going to need it.


32 posted on 08/18/2011 9:41:26 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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