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Redstate is at it again (deceptive Palin hit-piece)
C4P ^ | 8-13-2011 | ak267

Posted on 08/13/2011 8:11:19 PM PDT by ak267

Earlier today the Perry cheer-leading website ran with a post titled “Palin is not going to run“. That post is based on a response Governor Palin gave to David Brody on when she will make her decision whether she will be running for president. This is what the Governor said:

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KEYWORDS: 2012; hatinpalin; lsm; palin; palin2012; redstate; smellthefear; waronsarah
Earlier today the Perry cheer-leading website ran with a post titled “Palin is not going to run“. That post is based on a response Governor Palin gave to David Brody on when she will make her decision whether she will be running for president. This is what the Governor said:

(((“There is still a lot of contemplation that goes on within a family, deciding whether to engage in such a life-changing venture, putting yourself forward in the name of service, in such a position as President of the United States. So, we’re still thinking about it, and the impact on family. Family comes first in my life, and I just don’t want to adversely affect the family. So, we’re still talking about it, thinking about it. And that’s what I want supporters to understand. At the same time, I want to be very fair to supporters and not keep them hanging on in perpetuity. It’s fair to them to give them an answer here, in short order, so that they can jump on board with someone else. And/or to decide for themselves what they want to do. So, still haven’t made up my mind, haven’t decided when that announcement would be yet.”)))

How Redstate came to the conclusion that this means she’s not running beats me. What Governor Palin said is that she’s seriously thinking about it and will make a decision shortly because ”IF”, and I emphasize ”IF”, she decides not to run it wouldn’t be fair for her to hold on to her supporters.

What I take away from this response is that as far as the Governor is concerned she would wait longer to make an announcement, but she understands that a decision must come sooner so it doesn’t appear like she’s stringing people along.

Apparently Redstate missed the following Governor quotes by the Governor.

In response to how she would support if it comes down to Romney vs Perry:

(((I don’t see that happening)))

The only way it won’t come down to Romney vs Perry is if Palin is not in the race. Because if Palin isn’t in the race it WILL come down to Romney vs Perry. How does Redstate explain that?

And how about this quote?

((("When We’re Ready to Announce … You Won’t Be Able to Miss the Announcement")))

Does that sound like someone not running?

Redstate obviously wishes that Governor Palin won’t run, but just because you hope something won;t happen doesn’t mean it won’t.

In any event the day Governor Palin announces, Redstate loses it’s credibility, whatever was left of it.

1 posted on 08/13/2011 8:11:22 PM PDT by ak267
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To: ak267

There is a reason I am not on RINOstate.....


2 posted on 08/13/2011 8:14:51 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: ak267

What’s Redstate? A Communists USA’s website?


3 posted on 08/13/2011 8:23:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: ak267

Never trust Redstate to give a completely honest objective position.

They have an agenda.


4 posted on 08/13/2011 8:24:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I’ve only ever seen a solid conservative agenda. Were you referring to politics or religion perhaps?


5 posted on 08/13/2011 8:31:24 PM PDT by jdlevy95
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To: ak267

Erick Erickson sucks big time.


6 posted on 08/13/2011 8:35:21 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: ak267

“The only way it won’t come down to Romney vs Perry is if Palin is not in the race. Because if Palin isn’t in the race it WILL come down to Romney vs Perry. How does Redstate explain that?”

Nope. Not happy to see that there by Conservatives 4 Palin.

Perry is simply not acceptable as a tea party candidate.

And there will be a tea party candidate.

The 2 top tea party candidates (currently running) placed 1 and 2 in the Iowa straw poll. Bachmann could lose some of her socon support to Perry, but that’s only a part of her appeal. Are the tea party candidates going to simply disappear? Romney and Perry appeal to the same type of people (although Romney appeals to Northerners and Perry Southerners) Slick RINOs, one with wingtips the other with cowboy boots.

Tea Party Candidates just got 2/3ds of the vote in Iowa. Palin is a tea party candidate, but Perry certainly isn’t. If Palin doesn’t get in, there most certainly be at least 1 tea party candidate standing all the way down the stretch. If it’s not Palin, it’s Bachmann and/or Paul.

In conditions where 2/3d of Ames Straw Poll voters are voting Tea Party, 2 RINOs battling it out is not possible.


7 posted on 08/13/2011 8:49:15 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: bwc2221
Erick Erickson sucks big time.

He seemed pretty solid in the most recent debt ceiling fight. I read his comments on his site and he seemed to completely opposed the final debt deal and was adamant about not caving into Hussein.

Based on today's events though, it does kind of look like maybe Erickson has completely thrown in with Perry. Will just have to keep that in mind for anyone visiting his site.

8 posted on 08/13/2011 8:54:36 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: truthfreedom
The 2 top tea party candidates (currently running) placed 1 and 2 in the Iowa straw poll.

Oh stop it. Ron Paul is not a Tea Party candidate. Bachmann certainly is, but Ron Paul is most definitely not.

Ron Paul has the same constituency, largely college kids, he had in 2008 - he's just had 4 more years of organization to turn out more of them.

University mush-heads who want to legalize pot, believe in a peacenik isolationist foreign policy, and think there is some hidden truth to 9-11 are NOT Tea Party.

The only reason Ron Paul isn't torn to shreds over his more bizarre views, particularly on foreign policy and things like drug legalization, is because no one actually believes (for good reason) that he is a serious candidate.

9 posted on 08/13/2011 9:03:24 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ak267

I don’t understand how anyone can consider themselves conservative while running around saying how much they love the RINO in Perry and how much they reject the conservative in Palin.


10 posted on 08/13/2011 9:05:33 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: Longbow1969

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNjzjUABss
Rand Paul at Ron Paul Tea Party 2007

That’s a video there. On December 16, 2007, The Ron Paul Campaign had a number of Tea Parties all over the country. Rand Paul (who, inconviently for you, is the poster boy for tea party) spoke at one of them, at Faneuil Hall in Boston.

If you aren’t looking at “tea party” right there, I don’t know what you’re looking at.

Go back and find footage, find something, somewhere that shows that tea party has a clear foreign policy. Or a position on marijuana that differs from Ron Paul’s.

Just because you personally, think of yourself as “tea party”, and you personally disagree with Ron Paul on foreign policy, doesn’t mean that the tea party has a clear foreign policy that contradicts Ron Paul’s foreign policy.

If you can find video of people at tea party rallies talking about how we need more war and that the Federal Government needs to be involved in marijuana laws, I’d like to see it.

It’s pretty hard to argue that Ron Paul isn’t tea party after looking at the #1 tea party star from the freshman class of ‘10 speak, saying tea party things, at something officially billed as a “tea party” event that was also an official Ron Paul event.

You could easily say about that clip “that was the first moment of the tea party” Santelli could’ve used anything to describe what he was after, he chose “tea party”. Ron Paul raised over $6 Million on Tea Party Moneybomb day.

I would not be surprised if Ron Paul reminds people of this.

Of course, if you can go back before


11 posted on 08/13/2011 10:24:51 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: reasonisfaith

Look, Pain is not running, she is only barely qualified and conservatives want a winner in the general election, not a celebrity in trademark try- outs pushed by fans with tingles up the leg. Can we never be serious about winning, actually, against Obama.


12 posted on 08/13/2011 10:33:04 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick. Perry/Rubio '12)
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To: truthfreedom
Oh please, you know the Tea Party movement as we know it today didn't even exist till early 2009. Ron Paul did not start it, and any event he had in 2007 is not associated with it.

This attempt by some Paul supporters to attach themselves like barnacles to the Tea Party movement is a bunch of hooey.

Ron Paul is the same Libertarian he was in 2008. I'd agree his son Rand is Tea Party, but he's put quite a bit of distance between himself and the old man - most notably on foreign policy and defense (Ron Paul's most glaring weaknesses).

If you can find video of people at tea party rallies talking about how we need more war and that the Federal Government needs to be involved in marijuana laws, I’d like to see it.

Silly and you know it. The topic of most Tea Party rallies has mostly been on spending issues, but that certainly doesn't mean most Tea Party folks want to legalize heroin or bail on friends like Israel. Any sympathy Ron Paul may get from some well known Tea Party supporting conservatives, who sometimes give him a pass on his kooky views because they often agree with some of his economic positions, would turn to outright hostility were they to believe Ron Paul was a serious candidate.

If you actually believe all these traditional, conservative Americans who've banded together to create the Tea Party movement want to legalize drugs and prostitution, abandon allies like Israel, ignore the threats posed by Iran and other Islamic extremists, etc, you are kidding yourself. Ron Paul's base of support is a very organized, active group of college kids. These "youths" are not Tea Party, they are social libertarians - and when Ron Paul does not win the Republican nomination more than half of them will likely vote for Obama. The ones who really know what Paul stands for will simply vote Libertarian.

13 posted on 08/13/2011 10:56:11 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
About six months or so ago there was something of a purge there: one of the best informed, most skillful writers (a Palin fan) was shown the door.

Erickson seems to have made a command decision that hardcore Palin fans are ONLY allowed on his site if they keep quiet about Palin.

Cheers!

14 posted on 08/13/2011 11:00:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Longbow1969

With Ron Paul’s anti war, anti Israel stances and other things he proffers, would appeal to many in the left leaning crowd.

I am starting to think an independent run for prez by Ron Paul would hurt Obama more than a conservative GOP candidate.


15 posted on 08/14/2011 12:57:57 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (The entitlement class will prove to be the liberals very own creation of a Frankenstein monster.)
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To: RitaOK

And RitaOK the PDS troll makes an appearance right on que.


16 posted on 08/14/2011 1:01:33 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (The entitlement class will prove to be the liberals very own creation of a Frankenstein monster.)
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To: truthfreedom

Our Hill Country Tea Party Patriots get together to support Governor Perry all the time.he’s a Texas Tea Party Patriot favorite.


17 posted on 08/14/2011 1:02:42 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I can embrace” -—Rick Perry


18 posted on 08/14/2011 1:06:22 AM PDT by DrewsMum ("I abandoned free market principles to save the free market." -GWBush)
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To: DrewsMum
That's not the full quote. Note the difference of that statement in context:

"President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity."

So, yeah, in happy future fun time, when Mexico is prosperous and there's no need for poor Mexicans to cross the border, we can live like Canada and Minnesota.

19 posted on 08/14/2011 1:11:54 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Longbow1969

The tea party is said by Bachmann herself to include Democrats, Independents and Republicans.

The tea party, as you rightly say, is focused more on “spending issues.” However, you should note that even more than spending, is a focus on the constitution. The tea party believes in limiting the power of the federal government to what that Constitution provides. Not everything is Commerce.
Commerce and effects on Commerce are different things. The Supreme Court got that one wrong. It’s not just that the goverment spends too much money, it’s that the federal government does things it shouldn’t be doing.

On the drug issue, the proper tea party answer is “where in the Constitution does it say you can have a War on Drugs?”

On foreign policy, tea party is silent.

If you’re arguing that you think that Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy positions are unpopular with most tea partiers, you might be right. It only means that Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy positions are the minority view.

If the central theme of the tea party is that the federal government must be kept within Constitutional bounds, one could argue that less military activity is the more tea party idea.

Another way to describe it is that the tea party is split on foreign policy issues, or that foreign policy issues aren’t addressed at all by tea party.

Ron Paul is in agreement with the tea party’s message.


20 posted on 08/14/2011 1:15:35 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Steel Wolf

I don’t care if Mexico is freakin’ Utopia-land! Are you saying that if they decide to become capitalists, THEN it’s cool to dissolve our borders?


21 posted on 08/14/2011 1:16:15 AM PDT by DrewsMum ("I abandoned free market principles to save the free market." -GWBush)
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To: ak267

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I like a great deal of what Erickson prints, yet I am a solid Palin fan, does this mean that I’m some sort of weirdo or something?

Like I care. If Perry is ultimately the guy, I go with Perry. If Bachman is the girl, I go with her, but Sara is my gal.


22 posted on 08/14/2011 3:38:19 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindice)
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To: ak267
“I don't want to be president of the United States. I'm not going to run for the presidency of the United States,” Perry told Reuters in an interview in the Texas state capital.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN1517695420101215

23 posted on 08/14/2011 3:50:38 AM PDT by McGruff (a Sarah Palin supporter and proud of it.)
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To: McGruff

Another two faced lying pol. Gee what a surprise.


24 posted on 08/14/2011 4:43:47 AM PDT by sarah fan UK
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To: Sea Parrot; RitaOK
And RitaOK the PDS troll makes an appearance right on que.

Name calling in defense of a non-existent candidate always sways me...

25 posted on 08/14/2011 5:13:47 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: ak267

You know what would put a stop to all these web site postings saying that Sarah Palin isn’t running?

A statement from Sarah Palin saying she is running.

Until then, I presume that she, being a savvy political campaigner, and having a plan in place, knows what she is doing, and having people speculating that she isn’t running is part of that plan.

So it seems silly to keep complaining everytimg someone takes Sarah Palin’s bait. Sarah Palin has twitter and facebook and can draw a huge crowd of people and reporters whenever she wants. She is an excellent speaker, and knows how to say what she means. So I don’t think she needs people running around crying every time some web site speculates about her intentions.


26 posted on 08/14/2011 10:32:50 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: reasonisfaith
I don't know how anybody, conservative or not, could run around saying they love the RINO in Perry and reject the conservative in Palin. Overall, these two compare on the issues:


Sarah Palin is a Populist-Leaning Conservative


Rick Perry is a Hard-Core conservative

Of course, that's just the opinion of "On The Issues". They rank things based on actual candidate statements and on actual candidate votes and actions, but sometimes HOW they rank an action or statement might be different than you or I would.

I'm looking forward to someone taking the time to pick all the issues conservatives care about, and post a side-by-side with what Rick Perry nad Sarah Palin say, and what the did while in office, on each issue.

Right now there's kust a lot of disconnected posts and charges, as supporters jockey for position and to define the candidates to their own choice's benefit.

27 posted on 08/14/2011 10:44:23 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Steel Wolf

I don’t know if people actually think much about what it is like to live in a community with historical ties, but which is separated by a country boundary. IT’s not about letting people sneak over the boarder to become illegal immigrants. It’s about people who are friends and neighbors being able to shop at a nice store 5 miles away, or about allowing your livestock to graze across a stream, or to visit your friends for dinner.

I have a boundary with my neighbor, and yet we can walk across it to chat, he can come help me, I can help him, we watch our houses.

If you live right on the border, your closest neighbor may well be a person from another country — and if they build a 20-foot wall between your houses, and the nearest border crossing is 100 miles away, you don’t have a neighbor anymore.

We have a pretty open border with Canada. Of course, that’s because we don’t have Canadians trying to sneak into our country to steal our jobs.

I believe there are places in Texas where there is little chance that illegals are going to try to cross the border.

As a non-border-state person, I would like to see a fence, because the only “neighbors” I see from Mexico that would be deterred by a fence are those who have come to my state illegally to work jobs at slave wages and to change our culture to a non-American one.

I want to see Rick Perry’s position on immigration as a President. It should be different than his position as a governor of a border state, and hopefully more to our liking.


28 posted on 08/14/2011 10:52:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: raybbr

“Name calling in defense of a non-existent candidate always sways me...”

But attacking that same non-existent candidate sends a thrill up your leg?


29 posted on 08/14/2011 2:18:24 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (The entitlement class will prove to be the liberals very own creation of a Frankenstein monster.)
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To: ak267

Unfortunately, RedState has gone to the darkside...


30 posted on 08/14/2011 2:21:02 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Sea Parrot
But attacking that same non-existent candidate sends a thrill up your leg?

Okay, so you equate an anonymous poster with a public figure?

In answer, Palin is fair game as she is in the public spotlight and is offering her opinion and putting forth a position.

We posters, on FR, are actually here to voice our opinion about that. Resorting to name calling is pure childishness. I can go over to DU and watch that all day.

31 posted on 08/14/2011 2:49:41 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: RitaOK

Maybe you overlooked the fact that as Governor, Palin was better than Perry, Huntsman and Romney at managing debt and allowing jobs to be created.

Maybe you overlooked how good Palin is at bringing attention to corruption, and turning in the bad guys.

Maybe you overlooked how good Palin is, unlike almost all politicians, at keeping her promises.

Maybe you didn’t notice the fact that these qualities are what we need in a President in order to address the problems in our nation’s government.


32 posted on 08/14/2011 6:42:24 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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