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The Perry-Giuliani Alliance
Race42012 ^ | Anthony Dalke

Posted on 08/13/2011 11:48:31 PM PDT by SUSSA

The two men are good friends, and Perry was the only Republican governor in the country to endorse Giuliani’s presidential campaign in 2008. Payback could benefit Perry on a number of fronts – most notably fundraising – and would likely strengthen his status as a top-tier candidate if he decides to run.First and most importantly, Giuliani has deep connections in the New York City Republican money world.

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Perry has never had to raise money under federal contribution limits — $2,500 for the primary and $2,500 for the general election is all any single donor can give — and would have to change his model of finding a handful of major donors who can write huge checks to one centered around big bundlers who can collect hundreds of smaller checks.

His fundraising base in Texas gives Perry a foothold in one of the most donor-rich states in the country. With Giuliani making introductions for him in New York City, Perry would almost certainly have the financial foundation he would need to make a credible run – particularly given some of the less-than-inspiring sums reported over the past three months by his would-be rivals for the nomination.

(Excerpt) Read more at race42012.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2012; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; perry; rickperry
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1 posted on 08/13/2011 11:48:39 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

That would be a powerful ticket. Talk about projecting strength. Ok, now you can go ahead and tell me about how Rudy is a communist.


2 posted on 08/13/2011 11:55:29 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: SUSSA

Is having an alliance with Giuliani any better or worse than having one with John McCain?


3 posted on 08/13/2011 11:55:59 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: RINOs suck

I’ll take Rudy any day over John McLame.


4 posted on 08/14/2011 12:00:08 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: toddausauras

He’s not a communist. He’s liberal and corrupt.


5 posted on 08/14/2011 12:02:59 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: RINOs suck
Is having an alliance with Giuliani any better or worse than having one with John McCain?

That's a very good question. Although Giuliani did take a few conservative stances as Mayor I still consider him to be a RINO. I'd prefer to see him in the Justice Department. Nothing higher.

6 posted on 08/14/2011 12:12:10 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SUSSA

Whatever his policy differences with the GOP conservatives, Rudy is the greatest inspirational leader in recent times. Koch started the NY turnaround, and Rudy completed it. Bloomburg can enjoy the benefits of what they accomplished. I saw Rudy in the days after 9-11. He personified the feelings and unbending spirit of all true Americans. If he’s on Rick Perry’s team then that’s a huge plus.


7 posted on 08/14/2011 12:17:19 AM PDT by Carismar
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To: SUSSA

What spices do you use when you Eat your own?

Please spare me Lord ... They know not what they do

TT


8 posted on 08/14/2011 12:17:42 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is real islam. Moderate islam is the trojan horse.)
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To: Carismar

It will be a big drag on Perry. The only reason Giuliani isn’t in jail is because his crimes did not come to light until after the statutes of limitations had run out.

There is plenty more that makes Giuliani unsuitable for office. For one thing the real heroes of 9-11 will Swift Boat him.


9 posted on 08/14/2011 12:26:25 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TexasTransplant

Giuliani isn’t one of my own. He’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and anti-Second Amendment, just for starters.


10 posted on 08/14/2011 12:29:11 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Practically every inspirational person has had warts. Only one did not.


11 posted on 08/14/2011 12:31:35 AM PDT by Carismar
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To: SUSSA

Rick Perry/Rudy Giuliani equals “The RINO Ticket”, and it would help boost ALL of the truly non-RINO candidates for ‘12 POTUS, IMHO. Also, having Rick Perry in the race damages all of the other RINO candidates in the race.


12 posted on 08/14/2011 12:32:16 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: All

*Makes popcorn*

Oh, goody, another Giuliani bug-zapper thread.


13 posted on 08/14/2011 12:32:56 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("President Fox's vision for an open border is a vision I embrace"- Rick Perry)
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To: SUSSA

If you keep Rudy away from the social issues, he can be quite an asset politically. I don’t know if he and Perry are really that close or whether Perry simply found Rudy more presidential than Romney, Huckabee or McCain. Rudy still had that “America’s Mayor” vibe going at the time.

I do think Perry has networked rather well without relying on the Bush Beltway clique. He’s been governor long enough to have made connections in most of the critical states.


14 posted on 08/14/2011 12:34:28 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Carismar

Not every “inspirational” person is corrupt.


15 posted on 08/14/2011 12:35:07 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: OrangeHoof

Rudy is all hype. Here’s just one instance.

“As United States Attorney, I investigated the Leon Klinghoffer murder by Yasir Arafat,” he told the Jewish audience, referring to the infamous 1985 slaying of a wheelchair-bound, 69-year-old New York businessman aboard the Achille Lauro, an Italian ship hijacked off the coast of Egypt by Palestinian extremists. “It’s honestly the reason why I knew so much about Arafat,” says Giuliani. “I knew, in detail, the Americans he murdered. I went over their cases.”

On the contrary, Victoria Toensing, the deputy assistant attorney general at the Justice Department in Washington who filed a criminal complaint in the Lauro investigation, says that no one in Giuliani’s office “was involved at all.” Jay Fischer, the Klinghoffer family attorney who spearheaded a 12-year lawsuit against the PLO, says he “never had any contact” with Giuliani or his office. “It would boggle my mind if anyone in 1985, 1986, 1987, or thereafter conducted an investigation of this case and didn’t call me,” he adds. Fischer says he did have a private dinner with Giuliani in 1992: “It was the first time we talked, and we didn’t even talk about the Klinghoffer case then.”

Victoria Toensing has no reason to lie and has great credentials as a conservative. But this is just the tip of the Rudy iceberg.


16 posted on 08/14/2011 12:41:05 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Rudy may be some things but your are stretching it to a point that invalidates anything credible you may say. He’s not corrupt - he was a fighter against corruption.

So much so I’d love to see him as AG in 2013 and go after the barry administration.


17 posted on 08/14/2011 12:41:42 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( BHO....the destroyer)
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To: presently no screen name

The New York District Attorney said he couldn’t indict Giuliani because the statutes of limitations had run out.

He used NYPD officers to drive his strumpet and her friends on shopping trips and other outings. I’ll ignore having them walk her dog for now.

A NY state official was tried and convicted for having his driver drive his blind wife to her doctor at about the time Rudy used the NYPD as a taxi service for his bimbo.

You may not call misuse of city property and employees corrupt but NY law does.


18 posted on 08/14/2011 12:50:30 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Guiliani should be an American and support who he will, with all his vigor.

But, he should never be considered for a ticket position.

He went from America’s Mayor to an American Panderer when dealing with Barry.

I don’t want to hear anymore Shiite about how Barry is “O.K.”.

“F” that Tard.

He is an anethma to American ideals. A loser deluxe and Tuesday is coming up so he can drive his car around the estate.

I only want to hear from candidates who will excoriate Barry. Everything he stands for and all he has done.

FU Barry Hole....


19 posted on 08/14/2011 12:53:02 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TexasTransplant

Now that’s funny!

LOL


20 posted on 08/14/2011 12:54:29 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SUSSA

I would be more worried about potential bimbo problems.


21 posted on 08/14/2011 1:01:17 AM PDT by 50gunsalute
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To: SUSSA

Money money money .....

Electability! He has the war chest!

Same ol’ same ol’...

Souls have been sold for less...

but the Devil still got ‘em.


22 posted on 08/14/2011 1:08:07 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 50gunsalute

Oh there are plenty of those. I haven’t even scratched the surface on Rudy yet.


23 posted on 08/14/2011 1:09:34 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Smokin' Joe

A war chest doesn’t always translate into electability.


24 posted on 08/14/2011 1:12:27 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
No, it doesn't. I'm just framing the arguments which will be used to support the pep-rally favorite over candidates I view as having more philosophical substance.

This guy just declared and there is already talk of morphing left to get Rudy (Rudy! tied for last on my primary candidate list in '08!) to bring in the N.E. liberal Rinobucks.

I view it this way: The GOP will support whoever the Republican candidate is, Conservative or not, or they will be on the sidelines again. The trick is getting a Conservative past the primary.

For decades, the GOP has counted on Conservatives voting GOP to try to keep the Liberals/Marxists/New Left crowd out of power, and used us like toilet paper afterwards.

No more. Not again. Enough.

Let's get a Conservative candidate for POTUS and they can vote with us.

25 posted on 08/14/2011 1:18:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SUSSA

Perry has never had to raise money under federal contribution limits — $2,500 for the primary and $2,500 for the general election is all any single donor can give — and would have to change his model of finding a handful of major donors who can write huge checks to one centered around big bundlers who can collect hundreds of smaller checks.

Wow, and we’re supposed to like this guy?

Perry is used to getting huge sums of money from small numbers of people.

Nobody likes him much, but he gets huge sums of money for favors. Selling off the states infrastructure to foreigners, and money for Perry.

Such a hero, that Perry.


26 posted on 08/14/2011 1:23:10 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Smokin' Joe

Let’s get a Conservative candidate for POTUS and they can vote with us.
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Agreed. We were told that Bush, Dole, and Bush were conservatives and some people believed it. Not this time!


27 posted on 08/14/2011 1:24:08 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
Yeah. Everyone is a Commie Pinko except Barry Soetoro. What are you going to do?


28 posted on 08/14/2011 1:33:52 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: toddausauras
I'm waiting to hear Rudy admit he has been consistently wrong on RKBA issues.

His lawsuits against American gun manufacturers are hard to forgive.

29 posted on 08/14/2011 1:43:56 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Carismar

Some warts become malignant.


30 posted on 08/14/2011 1:46:02 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SUSSA

Ironically Perry also endorsed Al Gore for President.


31 posted on 08/14/2011 2:16:22 AM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Tempest

Yeah, in 1988. It’s 2011.


32 posted on 08/14/2011 2:19:51 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Politicalmom
*Makes popcorn* Oh, goody, another Giuliani bug-zapper thread.

:-) Yep. Looks like it. I really looooved the last one.
All these *2008 noobs* don't know what they're asking for.

still too early for me to eat popcorn

33 posted on 08/14/2011 2:21:48 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: SUSSA

Well, this is interesting. It makes me think better of both of them, because these are not the type of people I’d think would be “friends”.

Say what you like about Rudy Giuliani, but I grew up in NYC and watched it deteriorate into a hell hole.

Rudy Giuliani single-handedly brought that city back from the brink of the abyss. While being called Hitler, oh no wait, let’s call him Mussolini, by the NY Times, et al.

You think mud was slung at Bush? It was all a recycle of the mud they threw at Giuliani.

And I don’t know what your beef is with him about 9/11, but all I know is that first night, when there were tens of millions of people in the tri-state area absolutely at the ends of our ropes, he went on TV and bucked us all up.

Even my stinking, lefty, liberal friend (who would cut her throat in Macy’s window before she’d vote for a republican for dog catcher) said “he was great”.

So, yeah, there are some problems with Giuliani, but he’ll always be a hero in my book.


34 posted on 08/14/2011 2:47:30 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: SUSSA

Perry is owned by the Bilderbergs . Will American ever learn ???


35 posted on 08/14/2011 2:54:15 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: SUSSA

Liberal + corrupt to go with RINO + corrupt?


36 posted on 08/14/2011 2:57:20 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: jocon307

Clean up workers suffering from lung disease don’t think he’s a hero.

Although Giuliani constantly blames the EPA for misleading him about air quality at Ground Zero, the city had its own test results which outdoor tests showed hazardous levels of asbestos up to seven blocks away, he decided not to make the results public. EPA chief, Bruce Sprague, sent an October 5 letter to the city complaining about “very inconsistent compliance” with respiratory protection. Sprague, who wrote the letter only after unsuccessful conversations with Giuliani aides, likened the indifference in a subsequent court deposition to sticking one’s head “over a barbecue grill for hours” and expecting no consequences. An internal legal memo to the mayor estimated early in the cleanup that there could be 35,000 potential plaintiffs against the city, partly because rescue workers were “provided with faulty or no equipment (i.e. respirators).” Bechtel, the major construction firm retained by the city as its health and safety consultant, urged it to cut the exit-entry points from 20 to two so they could enforce the use of respirators and other precautions, just as was done at the Pentagon, but Giuliani ignored the recommendation.

And that’s just part of the problems he has with the real heroes of 9-11.


37 posted on 08/14/2011 3:28:04 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: jocon307

You may want to read this.

Firemen douse Rudy’s image as 9/11 hero

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1530535.ece


38 posted on 08/14/2011 3:32:06 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: sushiman
Hell I want to know why he's spouting the Obama/ACORN/SEIU slogan.

"We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, "We don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there." And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders[;] the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede [education is the future, and yes, we can]."
39 posted on 08/14/2011 4:37:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: SUSSA

I don’t know why Perry, who recently presided over a fervent Christian prayer meeting, likes Giuliani.

Giuliani, the former wife-abandoning cross-dressing mayor of New York, is a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual agenda, faux-Catholic social liberal. He was a total failure in the 2008 primary performance. He is an aloof, incompetent campaigner who doesn’t like to shake hands and mix with crowds.

Giuliani may be tough on crime, but he is otherwise a RINO disaster.


40 posted on 08/14/2011 4:40:42 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: SUSSA
Giuliani is pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and anti-Second Amendment. Mayor Rooty made NY a sanctuary city for illegals and put pedophiles and sex offenders in top NYC jobs. He carried on a public affair while still married---and announced he would move his wife and kids into the streets so he could live with his mistress ......that's just for starters.

Rudy is persona non grata on FR. Best way to lose posting privileges is to support Rooty.

Endorsing Rooty for president.

Vote-crazed Perry is gaga for amnesty. Doing the quid
pro quo----shower illegals with tax dollars....get votes.

41 posted on 08/14/2011 4:57:36 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

Perry sees exceptions in his opposition to abortion, takes pride in promoting the wind scam for the rest of us.


42 posted on 08/14/2011 5:07:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51; SoConPubbie; Brices Crossroads; AuntB; ...

Perry’s carefully orchestrated plan to co-opt the Iowa caucuses without actually being one of the official candidates failed miserably.

The Perry for president drumbeat was incessant as he laid low——at the last minute he made his move——Perry hoped to catapult to the top and make mincemeat out of the other candidates.

Iowans didn’t buy it. Perry had a miserable showing——coming in at the back of the pack.


43 posted on 08/14/2011 5:20:50 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Carismar

ed kock started what turnaround? how? please provide facts...


44 posted on 08/14/2011 5:25:50 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: Liz

He’s using the Obama strategies and I find it to be totally disgusting. His supporters are accusing anyone who questions him of being liberal trolls. Refusing to talk to the media and flooding the net with pro Perry messages and attempting to control the message.

Most disgusting in my opinion were his attempts to grab the headlines from events he wasn’t even man enough to be part of.

Some of our Texas FReepers are saying this is all typical Perry. When he does something unpopular he blames the legislature and if its popular its all him.

Just one more Eddie Haskell RINO.


45 posted on 08/14/2011 5:32:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek
Perry’s using the Obama strategies and I find it to be totally disgusting. His supporters are accusing anyone who questions him of being liberal trolls.They refuse to talk to the media, they flood the net with pro Perry messages and attempt to control the message.

You nailed it terrifically. Omao's media massager Anita (gag) Dunn said later that THEY decided what the media would know about Omao.

Most disgusting in my opinion were Perry's attempts to grab the headlines from Iowa events he wasn’t even man enough to be part of.

That got him nowhere---he expected to sail to victory, to be carried out of the arena like a hero.

Now he's a big flop. Wonder what he'll do next.

46 posted on 08/14/2011 5:43:21 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: RINOs suck
Look, I survived April 2007 so I won't go too far - but RG's governance 1993-2001 NYC was transformative, he punched the leftist media in the mouth every day and never gave them an inch, he said exactly what he was going to do and then he did it.

No comparison with McCain, IMO.

47 posted on 08/14/2011 5:46:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Jim Noble

Lots of fine governors out there who would make poor presidents.

In Michigan, Rick Snyder has far surpassed my expectations but I would have a hard time supporting him for president. He’s pure business but refuses to talk about social issues. He also has a green streak a mile wide. He also took high speed rail money which is why I write to him once a week asking him to tell Obama “No thank you”.


48 posted on 08/14/2011 6:00:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“Rick Perry/Rudy Giuliani equals “The RINO Ticket”, and it would help boost ALL of the truly non-RINO candidates for ‘12 POTUS, IMHO. Also, having Rick Perry in the race damages all of the other RINO candidates in the race.”

Agree. Perry/Giuliani assures us that we’ll have a conservative as third choice in 2012 and enough Republicans will defect to assure that the Dems hold the White House. So goodbye Supreme Court.

For Heaven’s Sake, the least Perry can do is line himself up with a conservative, to give the ticket some degree of balance.


49 posted on 08/14/2011 6:04:02 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: SUSSA

That is the first time I’ve ever heard of a politician taking credit for something he didn’t do! /s


50 posted on 08/14/2011 6:10:47 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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