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Posted on 08/17/2011 6:28:53 AM PDT by BUGSWOL

I've just been here a few days but I want to tell you I love this site. It is the best source of news, analysis, and intelligent discussion that I've found on the net.

I do have one question. Why do we allow the Liberals to get away with using the term "Progressive". I just saw this come up on a thread and I figured I'd be hijacking a perfectly good thread to get an answer or I'd get no answers at all. Anyway the liberals love to call themselves "Progressives", why doesn't anyone ever ask what they are trying to progress toward?

Just a little pet peeve of mine.


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1 posted on 08/17/2011 6:28:55 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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To: BUGSWOL

That’s just what liberals do. We know what they mean.


2 posted on 08/17/2011 6:30:49 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan (Some are wise and some are otherwise)
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To: BUGSWOL

Hmm, I think I always figured that to anyone with any sense, progressive is already a bad word.


3 posted on 08/17/2011 6:30:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: BUGSWOL

The words are now interchangeable and everybody knows it.


4 posted on 08/17/2011 6:30:57 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: BUGSWOL

Welcome.

Apparently they’re trying to progress toward human extinction.


5 posted on 08/17/2011 6:30:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: BUGSWOL
. It is the best source of news, analysis, and intelligent discussion that I've found on the net.

Boy, are you in the wrong place!.....................

6 posted on 08/17/2011 6:31:26 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: BUGSWOL

Welcome


7 posted on 08/17/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by zwerni (this isn't gonna be good for business)
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To: BUGSWOL
Why do we allow the Liberals to get away with using the term "Progressive".

We can’t change what they call themselves. Just don’t play their game. Point out the facts. Photobucket

It was the Communist plan in 1934. It is 0bama’s Communist plan today.

8 posted on 08/17/2011 6:33:16 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: BUGSWOL

Welcome to the fold. It took me 5 years before I posted my first vanity here, but it looks like you’re ahead of the curve.

Progressives are allowed to be called progressives because the Pubbies don’t want to call them out as liars. The word “Communist” is anathema to DC and evokes a sense of fright from the Red Scare era of this country’s history.

However, if another McCarthy doesn’t step up and start calling out these “Progressives,” we’re going to see this country slip into the ocean of socialism.

Incidentally, was McCarthy a Conservative? My history textbooks always painted him as a scare monger, so I have to assume he was a Republican.


9 posted on 08/17/2011 6:33:26 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: BUGSWOL

Back in the 40’s, when Communism was starting to get a foothold outside of Russia, the Communist Party suggested a number of different terms that their worldwide brothers could use to ‘hide’ their identity, but allow others of their same persuasion to identify ‘friends’. Progressives was one of those terms..........................


10 posted on 08/17/2011 6:34:30 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: BUGSWOL

1963 Communist Goals

The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69).

1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of “moral strength.”

4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.

8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN.

9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN.

11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo).

12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13) Do away with loyalty oaths.

14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.

15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US.

16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

18) Gain control of all student newspapers.

19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings,” substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.

23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as “normal, natural, and healthy.”

27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man”.

31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of “the big picture”: Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a “united force” to solve economic, political, or social problems.

43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


11 posted on 08/17/2011 6:35:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Liberal = Progressive = Socialist (= Communist = Marxist)!!


12 posted on 08/17/2011 6:36:33 AM PDT by catman67
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To: BUGSWOL
It is the best source of news, analysis, and intelligent discussion that I've found on the net.

Indeed it is. For a loony bin, FR definitely holds it's own.
13 posted on 08/17/2011 6:36:36 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: rarestia

Yes, Joe was a Republican, but he started out as a Democrat, and he was right all along.............where is our McCarthy of today?........................


14 posted on 08/17/2011 6:38:05 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: BUGSWOL

What is your position on Cheese? And do you have a sister? I need to know for Ping list.


15 posted on 08/17/2011 6:39:22 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: rarestia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_mccarthy


16 posted on 08/17/2011 6:39:42 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: cripplecreek

Great information. I love bullet form (helps my short term memory:) Anyway, I’m stealing it from you and Albert.


17 posted on 08/17/2011 6:42:39 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: BUGSWOL

If you think about it, “progressive” is far more descriptive and accurate than “Liberal”.

“Liberal” has it’s roots in the word “Liberty”

Unfortunately, the transfer of responsibility to others higher up on the income bracket does not provide liberty... it enslaves those who become dependent upon other people’s money.

“Progressive” while it sounds nice, puts in perspective the nature of the liberal agenda.

Every time you hear someone use that word that “peavs” you, you should educate them on it’s meaning.


18 posted on 08/17/2011 6:43:19 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Red Badger

Kinda funny how the left has managed to forget that one of the guys working side by side with McCarthy was a democrat named Kennedy.


19 posted on 08/17/2011 6:43:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

‘Progress’ away from individual responsibility toward a complete nanny state.

Liberals are also in flight FROM sound, traditional and wholesome values TOWARD an anti-American and totalitarian model as well.

I think the word ‘progressive’ was chosen by Liberals because their voter base are not real sophisticated thinkers. ‘Progressive’ sounds/seems real cool and is so conceptually indistinct that it would be difficult for these kinds of voters to challenge...even IF they were intelligent enough to try.


20 posted on 08/17/2011 6:43:55 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: BUGSWOL
Welcome aboard.

It doesn't matter whether we will allow them to do it or not.

Whenever a significant percentage of the voting public begins to correctly identify any given name with their policies and intentions, they will change it.

Conservatives are proud to be labeled conservatives. Socialists will do anything to avoid being called socialists because they can't win elections by being honest about their policies and intentions.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

21 posted on 08/17/2011 6:45:01 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Bitsy

Personally I find their successes to be rather frightening.

We got a long fight ahead of us.


22 posted on 08/17/2011 6:45:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: BUGSWOL

((( Ping )))


23 posted on 08/17/2011 6:47:02 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: BUGSWOL

Actually Bugs, it’s real simple.

Research has proven that “liberal” is a word that most Americans DO NOT identify with and dislike those associated with it.

“Progressive” still fools a lot of Americans (not real conservatives), and is far more acceptable to the ignorant and independents.

A key tactic of Communism and liberals is to get rid of words that alienate, and use new words that do not offend. I.e., get rid of “homosexual”, replace with “gay”. Don’t use “taxes” because most who pay them are against them, but replace with “revenues”, a word that has a good response.

Or redefine words, like “marriage”.

Welcome....yeah, probably the best site anywhere for what’s really going on in the world is right here.......


24 posted on 08/17/2011 6:47:02 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: Safrguns

http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/
Number 2 in particular.


25 posted on 08/17/2011 6:47:55 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: BUGSWOL
Why so serious?

26 posted on 08/17/2011 6:49:21 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: BUGSWOL

They do it so that we will know who is REALLY in charge of that insurance company!

Hi...Welcome to FR!


27 posted on 08/17/2011 6:49:38 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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“Just a little pet peeve of mine.”

Not to change the subject, but speaking of pet peeves:

Why do conservative talking heads insist on referring to them as the “democratic” party? That word helps to instill that dims are fair and want what’s good for the country - when their plans are nothing but disastrous for the country!


28 posted on 08/17/2011 6:51:32 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: BUGSWOL
Ok Bugs! What does BUGSWOL stand for??
29 posted on 08/17/2011 6:54:31 AM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: Gadsden1st

“What is your position on cheese? ... do you have a sister?”

Most importantly, has your sister ever been bitten by a moose while she was holding a piece of cheese!


30 posted on 08/17/2011 6:54:31 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: BUGSWOL
In the 1920’s they called themselves progressive until folks figured out what they meant, then they became liberals until folks figured out what that meant. So, they are now back to progressive because the think we had forgotten.
Why are tax increases now called increased revenues?
31 posted on 08/17/2011 6:56:58 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: rarestia

You know I read somewhere, I can’t remember where, that when the KGB archives were opened up they showed that everyone McCarthy said was a communist really was a communist. You rarely hear McCarthy mentioned anymore.


32 posted on 08/17/2011 6:59:31 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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Historical progression of leftist self-descriptive terminology:

Pre-1920, “Communist” was used to mean communist.

Post-1920, As Lenin and Stalin killed more and more people, communists started to use the term “progressive”, because too many people knew what “communist” was all about.

Post-1940, Too many progressives were too clear that “progressives” and “communists” were the same people. “Liberal” was then invented.

Post 1950, Liberal continued to be used by communists within the Democratic Party who worked on 5th column tactics against the U.S. Constitution. However, the hard-overs went to referring to each other by the euphemism “fellow-travelor”.

Post 1991, the USSR finally fell and with it the clear, daily reminder of the evils of communism. Also by this time, “Liberal” was well understood by the populace and had become a disparaging term. The Left then, probably via the academic neo-communist movement, reattached itself to the old term “progressive” liking the nostalgia of it and thinking that everyone was historically ignorant.

Personally, I like the fact that Progressives self-identify themselves as communists by using the term. Most of them are now not that uncomfortable with straight “communist” either.

33 posted on 08/17/2011 6:59:34 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: MarkLevinFan

Why aren’t we calling them on it?


34 posted on 08/17/2011 6:59:38 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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LOL yes but the connotation is that progress means things are moving forward, improving, and building higher. I think we conservatives need to keep pointing out that they are progressing toward communism.


35 posted on 08/17/2011 7:00:07 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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To: Past Your Eyes

We all know it. Most people don’t otherwise no Democrat would ever be elected.


36 posted on 08/17/2011 7:00:10 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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To: cripplecreek

Could be, but as a White male, I kind of feel like they are trying to eliminate me and my kind first.


37 posted on 08/17/2011 7:00:14 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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To: zwerni

Thank you


38 posted on 08/17/2011 7:00:25 AM PDT by BUGSWOL
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To: BUGSWOL

“Progressive” is their disguise word for “flaming radical communist”


39 posted on 08/17/2011 7:00:53 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: BUGSWOL

I use the term, “Marxist.”


40 posted on 08/17/2011 7:01:02 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: BUGSWOL
“Progressives” or as I like to say Communists are in denial about everything they do - or at least to those of other persuasions. If you call them communists they will have fits (which they have at the mere mention of the name Bush) and deny what we all know is the truth. So, what is the point. The main thing is that we know the enemy and that we fight them with every part of our being until we have crushed the evil serpent - but that's just me. Oh, and welcome to the club:)
41 posted on 08/17/2011 7:01:19 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: BUGSWOL

There is a historical basis behind this issue.

In the late 19th century a good many Americans, most of them well-intentioned, became disillusioned with the system set up by the Constitution, which at the time was admittedly being manipulated by business. They looked to the French Revolution and Bismarckian Germany more than to the Constitution. Government should be run by experts, not ordinary people. Some of these same trends of thought developed into fascism after the war. And of course there were obvious connections to Communism.

They called themselves Progressives. T. Roosevelt and W. Wilson were among their leaders. Obviously, they were to be found in both parties. Wilson wrote numerous books in which he was very plain about the need to get rid of or drastically change the Constitution. In 1912 TR elected Wilson by splitting the GOP when he bolted the party and ran under the banner of the Progressive Party.

The Progressives put together a lot of policies that were probably a good thing. But by the 20s people were sick and tired of being lectured by the Progressives. So they gradually abandoned the label and started calling themselves “liberals.” Which is ironic because “liberal” had previously meant those opposed to big government, and it still does in most of the rest of the world.

By the late 70s people were tired of “liberals,” so they began calling themselves “progressives” again. It harked back to TR and Wilson and all that. Most people had forgotten the negatives of their policies and just remembered TR and Wilson as good guys.

If interested in this history, highly recommend Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism.”


42 posted on 08/17/2011 7:05:21 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BUGSWOL

Verona papers

and

the progressive income tax, XVI Amendment


43 posted on 08/17/2011 7:06:39 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: BUGSWOL

A lovely example of “begging the question.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Whatever Progressives are in favor of is progressive by definition. Since “progress” at least in American culture, is by definition a good thing, Progressives and whatever they want to do are also by definition good things.


44 posted on 08/17/2011 7:10:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BUGSWOL
"Why do we allow the Liberals to get away with using the term "Progressive"."

To me, a better question is why do we allow them to call themselves a liberal? A liberal is Thomas Jefferson, John Locke, Adam Smith and Patrick Henry. Those trying to move away from a controlling government and move towards individual freedom. We are the true liberals. The conservatives of today want to conserve the teachings of true liberalism.
45 posted on 08/17/2011 7:10:58 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: BUGSWOL

They have to lie to further their agenda

and they are unable to see their hypocracy


46 posted on 08/17/2011 7:12:16 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: BUGSWOL

Welcome!

Regarding your question, leopards often try to change their spots. Just look at any of their pet causes. Sodomite became homosexual/queer, then gay (with a few other name changes along the way). They’ve attempted to redefine the pro-life movement, calling it anti-choice. Gay marriage is their latest. (I prefer calling heterosexual marriage “Natural Marriage”).

The left knows they’re not well-liked in America so in the battle of words, they’re constantly evolving. Conservatives, on the other hand, have no problem being called just that.

Kharis13


47 posted on 08/17/2011 7:12:40 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: BUGSWOL
Why aren’t we calling them on it?

I personally don't think it's worth the effort. But, if you want to do it, more power to you!

48 posted on 08/17/2011 7:14:58 AM PDT by MarkLevinFan (Some are wise and some are otherwise)
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To: SampleMan

They will name themselves about anything to disguise themselves - Fabian, collectivist, populist - I had forgotten fellow-traveler, fifth-columnist, and some others. There’s no end to the new names they will assume when they’ve worn out their welcome under an old name.


49 posted on 08/17/2011 7:17:02 AM PDT by ngat
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To: BUGSWOL

Welcome to FreeRepublic! Don’t do a lot of vanities! Ha!


50 posted on 08/17/2011 7:17:16 AM PDT by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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