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Sam Harris: How Rich Is Too Rich? (Barf Alert)
Samharris.org ^ | 8/17/2011 | Sam Harris

Posted on 08/18/2011 7:03:14 PM PDT by Beave Meister

I’ve written before about the crisis of inequality in the United States and about the quasi-religious abhorrence of “wealth redistribution” that causes many Americans to oppose tax increases, even on the ultra rich. The conviction that taxation is intrinsically evil has achieved a sadomasochistic fervor in conservative circles—producing the Tea Party, their Republican zombies, and increasingly terrifying failures of governance.

Happily, not all billionaires are content to hoard their money in silence. Earlier this week, Warren Buffett published an op-ed in the New York Times in which he criticized our current approach to raising revenue. As he has lamented many times before, he is taxed at a lower rate than his secretary is. Many conservatives pretend not to find this embarrassing.

Conservatives view taxation as a species of theft—and to raise taxes, on anyone for any reason, is simply to steal more. Conservatives also believe that people become rich by creating value for others. Once rich, they cannot help but create more value by investing their wealth and spawning new jobs in the process. We should not punish our best and brightest for their success, and stealing their money is a form of punishment.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: communist; democrats; generationaltheft; inheritance; kleptocracy; liberalnutjob; libtards; marxist; obama; religiousleft; samharris; sanharris; socalist
I want these idiots to tell me what is that dollar amount.
1 posted on 08/18/2011 7:03:27 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

nun yer bidness


2 posted on 08/18/2011 7:04:48 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Beave Meister

http://www.ntrc.info/doorbell.html


3 posted on 08/18/2011 7:08:26 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Beave Meister

You would really need a pathological case, such as a person who was literally putting billions in bank notes idle under his mattress, or who bribed politicians with it to do weird things to society, to argue that any level of wealth is inherently wrong... whoops :-)


4 posted on 08/18/2011 7:10:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Beave Meister

>>. As he has lamented many times before, he is taxed at a lower rate than his secretary is. <<

There is nothing stopping him from writing a multi-billion dollar check to the USA.

He talks the talk but won’t walk the walk.

Like ALL liberals.


5 posted on 08/18/2011 7:10:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Beave Meister

Why post an article from a leftist blog and then say “barf alert?”


6 posted on 08/18/2011 7:12:40 PM PDT by Misterioso (The worst law is better than bureaucratic tyranny. (Ludwig von Mises)
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To: Beave Meister

All these wonks can pound sand - and donate freely

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

Gifts to the United States Government

How do I make a contribution to the U.S. government?

Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called “Gifts to the United States.” This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Any tax-related questions regarding these contributions should be directed to the Internal Revenue Service at (800) 829-1040.

(I’ve made business cards with this passage on the front and back and give them out freely to anyone who says they need to be taxed more - and I bump into quite a few - living in MA)


7 posted on 08/18/2011 7:12:53 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Agenda21: Dept. of Life, Dept. of Liberty and the Dept. of Happiness)
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To: Beave Meister
Have you ever heard obama talk about the saleries of those 'evil' multi-million dollar NBA players? Hmmmm...wonder why?

And, by the way, do you know why Lincoln didn't want to ship the slaves back to Africa? ANSWER: He knew there would one day be an NBA.

8 posted on 08/18/2011 7:18:43 PM PDT by jmax
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To: Beave Meister
Conservatives view taxation as a species of theft—and to raise taxes, on anyone for any reason, is simply to steal more.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

9 posted on 08/18/2011 7:20:24 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Beave Meister
The conviction that taxation is intrinsically evil has achieved a sadomasochistic fervor in conservative circles

The problem with taxation is that it disincentivizes both the person that earned the money and the person that receives the money.

When Buffett was asked how come he was not leaving his vast fortune to his children, he said he would not cheat them out of the opportunity to succeed on their own.

Taxation tax receipts have also proved to be an irresistible form of power for corrupt politicians to buy voters or line their pockets.

10 posted on 08/18/2011 7:23:28 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: Beave Meister

I will go on record as stating unequivocally that I am in favor of having the government confiscate all of Sam Harris’ wealth, earned or not.

See, it’s fun to act like a foolish leftard, isn’t it...


11 posted on 08/18/2011 7:24:25 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: freedumb2003
All Warren Buffett would have to do is to instruct is employees - the tax lawyers and tax accountants - that he didn't want them to find any deductions for him. he could also tell them that he wanted all of his earnings to be declared as income, just like his secretary.

If Mr Buffett and all the others of his ilk think they aren't paying enough they all they need to do is to take PERSONAL actions to move themselves into a higher tax bracket something that is very easy to do. In fact, it is so easy most Americans can, and frequently, do so but in the opposite direction.

Bottom line - What are you going to do, PERSONALLY, to make sure you pay “your fair share” mr. Buffett?

12 posted on 08/18/2011 7:28:49 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: Beave Meister

I believe Soros is “too rich”:

Now the roving gambler [Soros] he was very bored
He was trying to create the next world war
He found a promoter [Obama] who nearly fell off the floor
He said, I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes, I think it can be very easily done
We’ll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it out on Highway 61

(Apologies to Dylan)


13 posted on 08/18/2011 7:40:29 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Beave Meister; All
TO RAISE TAXES WOULD BE TO CONDONE (as well as underwrite) THE 'RATS REPREHENSIBLE, UNCONSCIONABLE, TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS LEVEL OF SPENDING (and remove the focus from what the problem really is: that very level of spending) !!!!

14 posted on 08/18/2011 7:41:11 PM PDT by FreeKeys (Socialists & other primitives see wealth & feel anger with NO understanding of how it was created.)
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To: Beave Meister
Sam, if you want to live in a social democracy then take your class warfare and move to a social democracy. There are several from which to choose. We don't need another one here.

Now be a good little boy and piss off.

15 posted on 08/18/2011 8:22:15 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Beave Meister

Thing is, a lot of the “rich” that idiots like this criticize are rich precisely because of liberal policies. Liberal policies generally distort the markets, creating arbitrage opportunities that the well-connected - politically connected, that is - can exploit to their financial benefit. These same people then make sure that the politicians who created the distortions they arbitrage stay in office by contributing a portion of their ill-gotten lucre to the re-election campaigns of those politicians.

This is known more simply as crony capitalism, and it is the sort of frankenstein economics that liberals prefer.

Get rid of the opportunities to arbitrage crony capitalism, and the forces of a truly free market will oblige by making sure that there are fewer illicit concentrations of wealth - in other words, in a free market, undistorted by liberal policies, accumulated wealth really is earned fair and square by s/he who owns it.

But then again, why even bother trying to talk sense, or even basic rationality, to a liberal.


16 posted on 08/18/2011 8:29:15 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Oceander

The Rich love socialism, socialism won’t affect their wealth, but it will keep out their competition.


17 posted on 08/18/2011 8:31:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Doogle

You are too rich when you start thinking that the government isn’t taking enough of your money and instead of just giving more to the government, you lobby to raise taxes on everyone.


18 posted on 08/18/2011 8:40:25 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Beave Meister

Sam Harris is a stupid fag.


19 posted on 08/18/2011 9:36:15 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: Beave Meister

We have learned the lesson of tax increases.

If they raise taxes by a trillion bucks, they will raise spending by 1.5 trillion bucks.

It’s over, liberals. Every welfare state meets the same end. Do it now while it’s not as painful as it will be later when you are forced into sanity by your lienholders.

What am I talking about? Telling a liberal to not spend is like telling the sun to not rise.


20 posted on 08/18/2011 9:39:44 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (.....A man eventually wears the face he earns.....)
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To: Beave Meister
I want these idiots to tell me what is that dollar amount.

There is no absolute amount, only degrees. However, here are few things to ponder: After first few million dollars there are very few things that can improve your personal lifestyle. The Curve of diminishing returns starts to bite sharply. After that, money becomes just a marker in a game.

Money is power. A Wealthy person wields political power that is not democratic and not subject to public approval. Although simpler and more blatant examples of this sort of abuse are somewhat rarer these days ("Let me put this simply, mayor: That charge of drunk driving goes away, or your opponent in next election receives $BIGNUM anonymous donation and that factory this town is dependent on starts laying off people."), the power has not.

Think carefully what it means when Soros was called "man who broke the bank of england". A Single, unelected man with no official position was able to destabilize the financial system of a democratic country. If that is not wielding power, I don't know what it is. In our previous example we weren't even talking billionaires, just millionaires. An Unelected billionaire can do that sort of things to countries, make a mint at the side and international financial system means that he can do it from other side of the planet, safe from retribution.

That, my friends, is the problem. Not the fact that some people are financially successful.
21 posted on 08/19/2011 12:57:06 AM PDT by MirrorField (Just an opinion from atheist, minarchist and small-l libertarian.)
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To: Beave Meister

Sam Harris is a weasel, a pathetic troll.


22 posted on 06/01/2013 12:15:36 PM PDT by Viennacon
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